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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 7:08am



 islander wrote:


 steeler wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
 

Yes, exactly on paragraph one.

That last sentence is an astute observation. Buttigieg seems humble enough. Anyone who runs for President has a good-sized ego. But are they humble enough?
 

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
 
Impossible!  Everyone knows only conservatives and Republican supporters are the bigots / homophobes!

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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 6:52am



 rgio wrote:


 islander wrote:

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
 
I think Bloomberg has played his hand perfectly, but something about him feels too much like Trump and Biden, and while I like him, I have doubts about his appeal to the masses in November.

Pete is a real change.  He is very...VERY young.  His being a homosexual is also a real issue in November.  That said, I think he tears Trump apart like nobody else will in a debate.  

There are two recent interactions that are very impressive (you can look them up I'm sure).

The first was when a woman in Iowa who originally joined the Pete squad found out he was gay.  She made it very clear she couldn't vote for a gay man...she had no idea (which is a really interesting moment).  The staffer was polite, understanding, and attempted to talk through the issue.  When asked about it, Pete's answer was to first talk about the staffer.  How proud he was of her, what a great job she did.  It was amazing to hear a leader support his staff without pause...just a natural leadership that flows from him.

The second was in the town hall last night.  I only caught the last 20 mins or so, but he was asked: "if you could fix one thing, what would it be?"  His response was to fix government because until you fix the issues in DC that are dividing everyone, nothing will get done.  That is a very mature, very informed, very composed answer, which was delivered in a thoughtful, almost solemn tone.  

I think America will really appreciate some well-packaged intelligence.  He is the smartest guy in the room, and we should embrace his willingness to work for us.

All of that said....I'm not sure any of the Dems can defeat Trump.  

EDIT: My suggested running mate for Pete:  Mitt Romney

 

My problem with Pete is, he is too young and you dont want to play your hand too soon, before you're ready.  The position takes maturity, or a boatload of braggadocio.  I think that was part of why Obama was so ineffective. How much better of a president would he had been if he continued to serve as a senator, matured and was running now...or even in 2016?  Pete's next step should be governor, senator... 

I think Bloomberg has a good amount of integrity. He didnt run in 2016 because he thought Clinton would win, and I imagine would have done a good job, ha. He waited to see how the 2020 round of candidates looked before entering, and has agreed to throw his full support behind any candidate who wins the nomination.  But yes, his likability in the midwest and south could be issues.  In some ways, he can play the same strategy as trump, while actually being a successful billionaire businessman. 
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 6:39am

 rgio wrote:


 islander wrote:

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
 
I think Bloomberg has played his hand perfectly, but something about him feels too much like Trump and Biden, and while I like him, I have doubts about his appeal to the masses in November.

Pete is a real change.  He is very...VERY young.  His being a homosexual is also a real issue in November.  That said, I think he tears Trump apart like nobody else will in a debate.  

There are two recent interactions that are very impressive (you can look them up I'm sure).

The first was when a woman in Iowa who originally joined the Pete squad found out he was gay.  She made it very clear she couldn't vote for a gay man...she had no idea (which is a really interesting moment).  The staffer was polite, understanding, and attempted to talk through the issue.  When asked about it, Pete's answer was to first talk about the staffer.  How proud he was of her, what a great job she did.  It was amazing to hear a leader support his staff without pause...just a natural leadership that flows from him.

The second was in the town hall last night.  I only caught the last 20 mins or so, but he was asked: "if you could fix one thing, what would it be?"  His response was to fix government because until you fix the issues in DC that are dividing everyone, nothing will get done.  That is a very mature, very informed, very composed answer, which was delivered in a thoughtful, almost solemn tone.  

I think America will really appreciate some well-packaged intelligence.  He is the smartest guy in the room, and we should embrace his willingness to work for us.

All of that said....I'm not sure any of the Dems can defeat Trump.  

EDIT: My suggested running mate for Pete:  Mitt Romney

 
You had me to the edit.  I am sure that is Romney's choice as well!{#Lol}
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 6:33am



 islander wrote:

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
 
I think Bloomberg has played his hand perfectly, but something about him feels too much like Trump and Biden, and while I like him, I have doubts about his appeal to the masses in November.

Pete is a real change.  He is very...VERY young.  His being a homosexual is also a real issue in November.  That said, I think he tears Trump apart like nobody else will in a debate.  

There are two recent interactions that are very impressive (you can look them up I'm sure).

The first was when a woman in Iowa who originally joined the Pete squad found out he was gay.  She made it very clear she couldn't vote for a gay man...she had no idea (which is a really interesting moment).  The staffer was polite, understanding, and attempted to talk through the issue.  When asked about it, Pete's answer was to first talk about the staffer.  How proud he was of her, what a great job she did.  It was amazing to hear a leader support his staff without pause...just a natural leadership that flows from him.

The second was in the town hall last night.  I only caught the last 20 mins or so, but he was asked: "if you could fix one thing, what would it be?"  His response was to fix government because until you fix the issues in DC that are dividing everyone, nothing will get done.  That is a very mature, very informed, very composed answer, which was delivered in a thoughtful, almost solemn tone.  

I think America will really appreciate some well-packaged intelligence.  He is the smartest guy in the room, and we should embrace his willingness to work for us.

All of that said....I'm not sure any of the Dems can defeat Trump.  

EDIT: My suggested running mate for Pete:  Mitt Romney

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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 6:18am

 islander wrote:


 steeler wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
 

Yes, exactly on paragraph one.

That last sentence is an astute observation. Buttigieg seems humble enough. Anyone who runs for President has a good-sized ego. But are they humble enough?
 

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
 
Welcome aboard!  Didn't expect to see you so soon!{#Cowboy}
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 6:01am



 steeler wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
 

Yes, exactly on paragraph one.

That last sentence is an astute observation. Buttigieg seems humble enough. Anyone who runs for President has a good-sized ego. But are they humble enough?
 

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 4:18am

 steeler wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
 

Yes, exactly on paragraph one.

That last sentence is an astute observation. Buttigieg seems humble enough. Anyone who runs for President has a good-sized ego. But are they humble enough?
 
i want to like him

he's probably used to being the brightest guy in the room

he needs to embrace that through a relative lens

clearly he's got a lot of people trying to pull him in all four directions

at this level he's got to try and kiss a lot of ideological asses

it would be nice to hear something from him regarding his plan minus the fluff

a plan without mentioning biden, bernie, trump, wokeness, the usual broken record bs, etc.

an honest snapshot of where we are and how he can help people improve their lives

i know, it's politics, but if he could focus on strong straightforward message it would help

i wish him well
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 2:24am



 steeler wrote:
Watching town halls in New Hampshire. Buttigieg is a really smart and articulate guy. I have to admit, though, that I came into this campaign thinking that he is a little too young/inexperienced.  Reflecting on that. I think it was legitimate for Biden to say yesterday that there is a risk in assuming someone can go from Mayor of South Bend to the White House. But, again, the guy is impressive in answering questions and interacting. He has had diverse experiences; brings a lot to the table. Still . . .
 

Kind of ironic that of the Democratic candidates he seems like the adult in the room.   As a person, I rather like him too.  His major obstacles are AOC , the Bernie bros. and other leftist who will split between Sanders and Warren and the black vote who appears to have settled into Biden or stay home whatevs.   I think the DNC would accept him though as they are basically anybody but Sanders or Warren.    I would be quite pleased with a Trump vs. Buttigieg election cycle.  I would not vote for either one, but would feel comfortable with either as President.

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Posted: Feb 6, 2020 - 7:06pm



 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
 

Yes, exactly on paragraph one.

That last sentence is an astute observation. Buttigieg seems humble enough. Anyone who runs for President has a good-sized ego. But are they humble enough?
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Posted: Feb 6, 2020 - 6:56pm

 steeler wrote:
Watching town halls in New Hampshire. Buttigieg is a really smart and articulate guy. I have to admit, though, that I came into this campaign thinking that he is a little too young/inexperienced.  Reflecting on that. I think it was legitimate for Biden to say yesterday that there is a risk in assuming someone can go from Mayor of South Bend to the White House. But, again, the guy is impressive in answering questions and interacting. He has had diverse experiences; brings a lot to the table. Still . . .
 
He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2020 - 6:48pm

Watching town halls in New Hampshire. Buttigieg is a really smart and articulate guy. I have to admit, though, that I came into this campaign thinking that he is a little too young/inexperienced.  Reflecting on that. I think it was legitimate for Biden to say yesterday that there is a risk in assuming someone can go from Mayor of South Bend to the White House. But, again, the guy is impressive in answering questions and interacting. He has had diverse experiences; brings a lot to the table. Still . . .
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Posted: Jan 29, 2020 - 10:26pm

Trump Is Growing Concerned About Bernie Sanders, While His Advisers Think the Vermont Senator Will Be Easy to Beat
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Posted: Jan 19, 2020 - 12:23pm

 kurtster wrote:

1972 was the first election that I voted in.  I voted for McGovern.  Similar scenario yes, but the times are much different and very much the same this time around.  There was a war in Viet Nam and the draft.  Those were the two biggest factors in determining my vote back then.
 
1972 was my first election also. I joined the county McGovern campaign in Texas. The war & the draft, yep .... and I was drafted in the very last draft in late 1972. I decided I wasn't going to dodge the draft or go to the jungle, so I enlisted in the Navy & picked an aviation MOS (air traffic controller) figuring North Vietnam didn't have a navy or airforce, so as long I didn't take liberty in Saigon & didn't fall off the boat (people do) I'd survive. Ended up never setting foot on a Navy vessel & never left the States, as the war for us ended in 1975, halfway through my 4-year stint. So my plan pretty much worked. As far as McGovern goes, he was stomped but 2 years later Nixon resigned, so there's that. And I'm categorized as a Vietnam Era Veteran, having enlisted during the conflict, which is different from "Vietnam Vet", for those deployed In Country or on a ship participating in the conflict.
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Posted: Jan 18, 2020 - 5:24am

 sirdroseph wrote:
If it ends up being Trump vs. Sanders, is this not deja vu 1972?  Well at least we have very clear choices ala Nixon and McGovern and we will also have the same result.  If you think about it the notion of voting for any of these 4 men is equally ridiculous.  Makes one uber cynical and Machiavellian in regards to politics and politicians.   Humanity will pay for our arrogance and insolence, best to keep it at arms reach and take care of you and your'n best you can till your time comes.{#Meditate}
 
1972 was the first election that I voted in.  I voted for McGovern.  Similar scenario yes, but the times are much different and very much the same this time around.  There was a war in Viet Nam and the draft.  Those were the two biggest factors in determining my vote back then.
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Posted: Jan 18, 2020 - 4:51am

Elizabeth Warren 🤙🌟👑. Ref: Indy100 article by Sirena Bergman!!!
https://www.indy100.com/article/elizabeth-warren-jon-stewart-the-daily-show-2009-financial-crash-regulation-9289596
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Posted: Jan 18, 2020 - 4:32am

If it ends up being Trump vs. Sanders, is this not deja vu 1972?  Well at least we have very clear choices ala Nixon and McGovern and we will also have the same result.  If you think about it the notion of voting for any of these 4 men is equally ridiculous.  Makes one uber cynical and Machiavellian in regards to politics and politicians.   Humanity will pay for our arrogance and insolence, best to keep it at arms reach and take care of you and your'n best you can till your time comes.{#Meditate}
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Posted: Dec 4, 2019 - 7:23am



 islander wrote:


I don't know how to fix it.  We have a problem. Joe Biden (somewhat ironically) actually tipped us off to the problem when he said "show me your budget and I'll tell you what you value".

Yes, it's different as a percentage of GDP, but I'd say that regardless of gdp, we would be better off spending less on blowing stuff up.  Yes, it's a jobs program, but why not a peace corps? Or simply a civilian infrastructure support company that would enable our economy?  When we spend so much on a military hammer, we look for a military nail to use it on. Let's spend on some real hammers and nails and see if we can make some nice stuff instead. Maybe give some of that stuff away to people who are mad at us for blowing up their stuff so they will spend less trying to blow our stuff up?

I'm not the only one. But I do feel like I'm in the minority.
 

Around here, Bernie Sanders is the "free stuff" guy. Nothing is free, it's simply a matter of what you choose to spend the money on; he would rather it be spent on improving the lives of people instead of slaughtering them.
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Posted: Dec 4, 2019 - 7:12am



 islander wrote:



I don't know how to fix it.  We have a problem. Joe Biden (somewhat ironically) actually tipped us off to the problem when he said "show me your budget and I'll tell you what you value".


 
Interesting to note, combining our spending with our "allies & partners" we are out spending Russia and China more than 3:1

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Posted: Dec 4, 2019 - 7:00am



 miamizsun wrote:


my rants on rp?

it's the only on demand therapy i can afford



 



i'm trying to understand why people feel the need to tell everyone else what to do and how to live

to the point of initiating violence on peaceful peeps

and really think that's some sort of answer or excuse to have at it

force, violence and coercion?

disgusting...

and nothing else matters until you stop threatening, harming and whacking folks

when leaders use violence on peaceful people they lose all trust and credibility

and if you don't have those you're not a leader

or something like that

ill have to run it by OV to make sure it's philosophically correct




I don't know how to fix it.  We have a problem. Joe Biden (somewhat ironically) actually tipped us off to the problem when he said "show me your budget and I'll tell you what you value".

Yes, it's different as a percentage of GDP, but I'd say that regardless of gdp, we would be better off spending less on blowing stuff up.  Yes, it's a jobs program, but why not a peace corps? Or simply a civilian infrastructure support company that would enable our economy?  When we spend so much on a military hammer, we look for a military nail to use it on. Let's spend on some real hammers and nails and see if we can make some nice stuff instead. Maybe give some of that stuff away to people who are mad at us for blowing up their stuff so they will spend less trying to blow our stuff up?

I'm not the only one. But I do feel like I'm in the minority.
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Posted: Dec 4, 2019 - 5:20am

 sirdroseph wrote:
You do not need any.  Sounds like you summed it up quite accurately and succinctly. It's not cynicism if it's true.
 

my rants on rp?

it's the only on demand therapy i can afford

regarding politics?

i'm trying to understand why people feel the need to tell everyone else what to do and how to live

to the point of initiating violence on peaceful peeps

and really think that's some sort of answer or excuse to have at it

force, violence and coercion?

disgusting...

and nothing else matters until you stop threatening, harming and whacking folks

when leaders use violence on peaceful people they lose all trust and credibility

and if you don't have those you're not a leader

or something like that

ill have to run it by OV to make sure it's philosophically correct


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