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Posted: Oct 16, 2020 - 12:44pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:

. The number of times that the President of the United States dodges something by saying “I wasn’t aware” or “I don’t know anything about it” is reprehensible.

Imagine a group of people intentionally spreading misinformation and encouraging armed insurrection (Qanon and Proud Boys) and the President of the United States isn’t up to speed on what they are or what they represent. How is he doing a good job? How is he keeping us safe?

Obviously, he’s not. However, he is managing to make a lot of money off being in this position. Seriously, the better outcome after he leaves is incarceration. No one should be allowed to behave like this.
 


 

Excellent policy, with a lot of thought and nuance.
What about those of us who aren’t liberal? Or is it just that everyone who doesn’t kowtow to Crazy Uncle Trump is the enemy?
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Posted: Oct 16, 2020 - 12:30pm

Bye bye Biden crime family!

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Posted: Oct 16, 2020 - 12:06pm



 Steely_D wrote:


 steeler wrote:
From CBS story today:

The NBC News journalist asked Mr. Trump about his retweet this week of a conspiracy theory that Biden orchestrated to have Seal Team 6 killed to cover up the fake death of Osama Bin Laden.

"Why would you send a lie like that to your followers?" Guthrie asked him. 

"I know nothing about it," Mr. Trump said.

"You retweeted it," Guthrie pointed out.

"That was a retweet, that was an opinion of somebody, and that was a retweet. I'll put it out there, people can decide for themselves, I don't take a position," the president responded.

"I don't get that," Guthrie countered. "You're the president — you're not like someone's crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever!"



That about sums it up. 
 

The number of times that the President of the United States dodges something by saying “I wasn’t aware” or “I don’t know anything about it” is reprehensible.

Imagine a group of people intentionally spreading misinformation and encouraging armed insurrection (Qanon and Proud Boys) and the President of the United States isn’t up to speed on what they are or what they represent. How is he doing a good job? How is he keeping us safe?

Obviously, he’s not. However, he is managing to make a lot of money off being in this position. Seriously, the better outcome after he leaves is incarceration. No one should be allowed to behave like this.
 


R_P

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Posted: Oct 16, 2020 - 12:00pm

 Steely_D wrote:
Seriously, the better outcome after he leaves is incarceration. No one should be allowed to behave like this.
 
U.S. Presidents don't get incarcerated. They get pardoned.
Steely_D

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Posted: Oct 16, 2020 - 11:52am



 steeler wrote:
From CBS story today:

The NBC News journalist asked Mr. Trump about his retweet this week of a conspiracy theory that Biden orchestrated to have Seal Team 6 killed to cover up the fake death of Osama Bin Laden.

"Why would you send a lie like that to your followers?" Guthrie asked him. 

"I know nothing about it," Mr. Trump said.

"You retweeted it," Guthrie pointed out.

"That was a retweet, that was an opinion of somebody, and that was a retweet. I'll put it out there, people can decide for themselves, I don't take a position," the president responded.

"I don't get that," Guthrie countered. "You're the president — you're not like someone's crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever!"



That about sums it up. 
 

The number of times that the President of the United States dodges something by saying “I wasn’t aware” or “I don’t know anything about it” is reprehensible.

Imagine a group of people intentionally spreading misinformation and encouraging armed insurrection (Qanon and Proud Boys) and the President of the United States isn’t up to speed on what they are or what they represent. How is he doing a good job? How is he keeping us safe?

Obviously, he’s not. However, he is managing to make a lot of money off being in this position. Seriously, the better outcome after he leaves is incarceration. No one should be allowed to behave like this.
R_P

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Posted: Oct 16, 2020 - 11:21am

 steeler wrote:
"I don't get that," Guthrie countered. "You're the president — you're not like someone's crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever!"
 
No longer mutually exclusive.
steeler

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Posted: Oct 16, 2020 - 10:31am

From CBS story today:

The NBC News journalist asked Mr. Trump about his retweet this week of a conspiracy theory that Biden orchestrated to have Seal Team 6 killed to cover up the fake death of Osama Bin Laden.

"Why would you send a lie like that to your followers?" Guthrie asked him. 

"I know nothing about it," Mr. Trump said.

"You retweeted it," Guthrie pointed out.

"That was a retweet, that was an opinion of somebody, and that was a retweet. I'll put it out there, people can decide for themselves, I don't take a position," the president responded.

"I don't get that," Guthrie countered. "You're the president — you're not like someone's crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever!"



That about sums it up. 
kcar

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 10:32pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, no one here cares anyway.   

The source is from a direct copy of the actual hard drive that the FBI has in their possession.  The shop owner who had the laptop made a copy before turning it over directly to the FBI  They are authentic. What does matter though is that the FBI had these Biden emails way back at the beginning of the Mueller Investigation and sat on them, doing nothing.  And the Mueller team had them and ignored them.  And the FBI did nothing with them either.  Didn't even try.  And the FBI is still trying to do nothing with them.  We have yet to see anyone try very hard to discredit their accuracy.  The primary reaction has been to censor the story and keep it off of social media, as you know.

It is stuff like this has me against early voting.  Too many people have already voted to make any so called "October Surprises" relevant anymore.  Nor any vindications or exculpatory information relevant as well.  Especially with the social media conservative POV censorship fix in place now.  The majority of Americans are receiving their primary news from FB now and they are openly and purposely censoring legitimate news to promote their own agenda and directly influence the election(s).
 
There is no proof that the emails are authentic.

Stick around young man.  The story is far from over.

And you should look into making shorter posts to match the attention span of the average reader.
 

"And you should look into making shorter posts to match the attention span of the average reader."

Lazy8, is that you? 

I posted that WaPo piece only for you and kurtster because you two are the only ones with hardons for this "story."  If the WaPo piece is too, too long for you then you should stick to dishwashing or finish that diorama project for your social studies class. 

I suspect that if the NY Post had more to report on the matter, it would have done so. It's getting really late for an October surprise. And the way to drop a bombshell story is to drop it all at once, not in dribs and drabs. 

Finally, this whole "story" revolves around Hunter Biden.
The country doesn't give a f*$k about Hunter Biden. It cares about the coronavirus and the stalling economy. 
 

You need to get better sources of information.  This story IS about Joe Biden, aka "the boss".   Like I said.  Stick around.  And stop watching MSDNC.  Also, in case you also missed it... CNN and other typically left MSM are now starting to actually ask some tough questions of Dems.  The most recent example - seek out the Pelosi v Blitzer video if you dare.
 

You and Kurt want public exposure of corruption, bribery and money-for-political favors! That's super. Why don't you dig into the bribes THAT TRUMP'S TAKEN. The NYT has actual proof of Trump's corruption. 

The Swamp That Trump Built

A businessman-president transplanted favor-seeking in Washington to his family’s hotels and resorts — and earned millions as a gatekeeper to his own administration.


...

As president, he built a system of direct presidential influence-peddling unrivaled in modern American politics.

As president-elect, he had pledged to step back from the Trump Organization and recuse himself from his private company’s operation. As president, he built a system of direct presidential influence-peddling unrivaled in modern American politics.

Federal tax-return data for Mr. Trump and his business empire, which was disclosed by The New York Times last month, showed that even as he leveraged his image as a successful businessman to win the presidency, large swaths of his real estate holdings were under financial stress, racking up losses over the preceding decades.

Federal tax-return data for Mr. Trump and his business empire, which was disclosed by The New York Times last month, showed that even as he leveraged his image as a successful businessman to win the presidency, large swaths of his real estate holdings were under financial stress, racking up losses over the preceding decades.

But once Mr. Trump was in the White House, his family business discovered a lucrative new revenue stream: people who wanted something from the president. An investigation by The Times found over 200 companies, special-interest groups and foreign governments that patronized Mr. Trump’s properties while reaping benefits from him and his administration. Nearly a quarter of those patrons have not been previously reported.


KarmaKarma

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 10:12pm



 kcar wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, no one here cares anyway.   

The source is from a direct copy of the actual hard drive that the FBI has in their possession.  The shop owner who had the laptop made a copy before turning it over directly to the FBI  They are authentic. What does matter though is that the FBI had these Biden emails way back at the beginning of the Mueller Investigation and sat on them, doing nothing.  And the Mueller team had them and ignored them.  And the FBI did nothing with them either.  Didn't even try.  And the FBI is still trying to do nothing with them.  We have yet to see anyone try very hard to discredit their accuracy.  The primary reaction has been to censor the story and keep it off of social media, as you know.

It is stuff like this has me against early voting.  Too many people have already voted to make any so called "October Surprises" relevant anymore.  Nor any vindications or exculpatory information relevant as well.  Especially with the social media conservative POV censorship fix in place now.  The majority of Americans are receiving their primary news from FB now and they are openly and purposely censoring legitimate news to promote their own agenda and directly influence the election(s).
 
There is no proof that the emails are authentic.

Stick around young man.  The story is far from over.

And you should look into making shorter posts to match the attention span of the average reader.
 

"And you should look into making shorter posts to match the attention span of the average reader."

Lazy8, is that you? 

I posted that WaPo piece only for you and kurtster because you two are the only ones with hardons for this "story."  If the WaPo piece is too, too long for you then you should stick to dishwashing or finish that diorama project for your social studies class. 

I suspect that if the NY Post had more to report on the matter, it would have done so. It's getting really late for an October surprise. And the way to drop a bombshell story is to drop it all at once, not in dribs and drabs. 

Finally, this whole "story" revolves around Hunter Biden.
The country doesn't give a f*$k about Hunter Biden. It cares about the coronavirus and the stalling economy. 
 

You need to get better sources of information.  This story IS about Joe Biden, aka "the boss".   Like I said.  Stick around.  And stop watching MSDNC.  Also, in case you also missed it... CNN and other typically left MSM are now starting to actually ask some tough questions of Dems.  The most recent example - seek out the Pelosi v Blitzer video if you dare.
kcar

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 10:03pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, no one here cares anyway.   

The source is from a direct copy of the actual hard drive that the FBI has in their possession.  The shop owner who had the laptop made a copy before turning it over directly to the FBI  They are authentic. What does matter though is that the FBI had these Biden emails way back at the beginning of the Mueller Investigation and sat on them, doing nothing.  And the Mueller team had them and ignored them.  And the FBI did nothing with them either.  Didn't even try.  And the FBI is still trying to do nothing with them.  We have yet to see anyone try very hard to discredit their accuracy.  The primary reaction has been to censor the story and keep it off of social media, as you know.

It is stuff like this has me against early voting.  Too many people have already voted to make any so called "October Surprises" relevant anymore.  Nor any vindications or exculpatory information relevant as well.  Especially with the social media conservative POV censorship fix in place now.  The majority of Americans are receiving their primary news from FB now and they are openly and purposely censoring legitimate news to promote their own agenda and directly influence the election(s).
 
There is no proof that the emails are authentic.

Stick around young man.  The story is far from over.

And you should look into making shorter posts to match the attention span of the average reader.
 

"And you should look into making shorter posts to match the attention span of the average reader."

Lazy8, is that you? 

I posted that WaPo piece only for you and kurtster because you two are the only ones with hardons for this "story."  If the WaPo piece is too, too long for you then you should stick to dishwashing or finish that diorama project for your social studies class. 

I suspect that if the NY Post had more to report on the matter, it would have done so. It's getting really late for an October surprise. And the way to drop a bombshell story is to drop it all at once, not in dribs and drabs. 

Finally, this whole "story" revolves around Hunter Biden. The country doesn't give a f*$k about Hunter Biden. It cares about the coronavirus and the stalling economy. 
KarmaKarma

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 9:55pm

Fun night at the town hall with Uncle Joe tonight. Here's just two, from several highlights!

And not a single question about Hunter, Burisma, or any of the breaking allegations! Shocked, shocked, I am.


KarmaKarma

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 9:48pm



 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, no one here cares anyway.   

The source is from a direct copy of the actual hard drive that the FBI has in their possession.  The shop owner who had the laptop made a copy before turning it over directly to the FBI  They are authentic. What does matter though is that the FBI had these Biden emails way back at the beginning of the Mueller Investigation and sat on them, doing nothing.  And the Mueller team had them and ignored them.  And the FBI did nothing with them either.  Didn't even try.  And the FBI is still trying to do nothing with them.  We have yet to see anyone try very hard to discredit their accuracy.  The primary reaction has been to censor the story and keep it off of social media, as you know.

It is stuff like this has me against early voting.  Too many people have already voted to make any so called "October Surprises" relevant anymore.  Nor any vindications or exculpatory information relevant as well.  Especially with the social media conservative POV censorship fix in place now.  The majority of Americans are receiving their primary news from FB now and they are openly and purposely censoring legitimate news to promote their own agenda and directly influence the election(s).
 
There is no proof that the emails are authentic.

Stick around young man.  The story is far from over.

And you should look into making shorter posts to match the attention span of the average reader.
kcar

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 9:37pm



 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, no one here cares anyway.   

The source is from a direct copy of the actual hard drive that the FBI has in their possession.  The shop owner who had the laptop made a copy before turning it over directly to the FBI  They are authentic. What does matter though is that the FBI had these Biden emails way back at the beginning of the Mueller Investigation and sat on them, doing nothing.  And the Mueller team had them and ignored them.  And the FBI did nothing with them either.  Didn't even try.  And the FBI is still trying to do nothing with them.  We have yet to see anyone try very hard to discredit their accuracy.  The primary reaction has been to censor the story and keep it off of social media, as you know.

It is stuff like this has me against early voting.  Too many people have already voted to make any so called "October Surprises" relevant anymore.  Nor any vindications or exculpatory information relevant as well.  Especially with the social media conservative POV censorship fix in place now.  The majority of Americans are receiving their primary news from FB now and they are openly and purposely censoring legitimate news to promote their own agenda and directly influence the election(s).
 
There is no proof that the emails are authentic. The NY Post provided no email headers or metadata, just PDFs of the email. 

Read the WaPo piece if you're so keen to see a response to these supposed emails. Here, I've  excerpted much of it just below. 

A summary of the main points: 

Some of the main points: the primary email "suggests Hunter Biden arranged for (Vadym Pozharskyi), a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm to meet with the then-vice president when he was in charge of U.S. policy toward Ukraine." 

But there is no indication that a meeting was ever scheduled.  Hunter Biden has no record of this meeting taking place. Neither does Joe Biden. Hunter never replied to the primary email. 

The NY Post only published PDF printouts of emails. It did not provide email header information or metadata. So the authenticity of the emails can't be proved. 

The NY Post article published an email by Pozharskyi to Hunter Biden indicating that Pozharskyi was going to get in touch with Adam Hochstein, special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs. The NY Post piece also said that Hochstein could not be reached for comment. But the WaPo article quotes Hochstein: “I know for a fact he never contacted me or my office,” said Hochstein, who at the time worked closely with Biden as special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs. “I provided every record to the Senate investigation, and no mention of this guy was ever made, no emails, no correspondence. I know almost every player in the energy sector in Ukraine. I never met this guy.”

The FBI got the hard drive of the laptop earlier this year from the owner of the repair shop. There is no indication that the Bureau found anything of interest. 

The NY Post article also claims that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine's President Poroshenko to fire Victor Shokin, the country's top prosecutor, for investigating Burisma. The Washington Post has debunked this story repeatedly. Biden pressured Poroshenko to fire Shokin because Shokin was an obstacle to reform in Ukraine. Biden did so because he was in charge of the Ukraine portfolio in the Obama administration and put that pressure as part of official administration policy. Other countries and relevant organizations such as the IMF  and World Bank also wanted Shokin gone. 

IIRC, the Ukrainian government had shelved its investigation into Burisma and its founder before Hunter Biden started working for the company. 

Now here's the WaPo piece: 


Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop: An explainer



What’s new?

The key thrust of the article is that an April 17, 2015, email suggests Hunter Biden arranged for a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm to meet with the then-vice president when he was in charge of U.S. policy toward Ukraine. “Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent some time together. It’s realty an honor and pleasure,” reads the email, supposedly written by Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma.

Why would that be important?

Hunter Biden in 2014 became a board member of Burisma, which news reports at the time suggested was a conflict of interest, given his father’s position. The former vice president has said he did not discuss Burisma with his son. The email is not specific about the nature of the meeting and is written in a way that it could be talking about a possible future meeting...


...

How do we know the email is authentic?

We do not. The New York Post published PDF printouts of several emails allegedly taken from the laptop, but for the “smoking-gun” email, it shows only a photo made the day before the story was posted, according to Thomas Rid, the author of “Active Measures,” a book on disinformation. “There is no header information, no metadata.” The Washington Post has not been able to independently verify or authenticate these emails, as requests to make the laptop hard drive available for inspection have not been granted. The New York Post said it obtained the material from former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, a personal lawyer to President Trump.

There also is no indication that Hunter Biden replied to the email.

Moreover, another alleged email published by the New York Post contradicts the notion that Hunter Biden could influence his father.
“What he will do and say is out of our hands,” Hunter Biden wrote in an email that the New York Post said was sent April 13, 2014.

What does the Biden campaign say?

Andrew Bates, a campaign spokesman for Joe Biden, said a review of Biden’s schedules from 2015 finds no record of any such meeting. Officials who worked for Biden at the time told The Fact Checker that no such meeting took place.

“I was with the vice president in all of his meetings on Ukraine,” said Michael Carpenter, Biden’s foreign policy adviser in 2015. “He never met with this guy. In fact, I had never heard of this guy until the New York Post story broke.”

The New York Post article also cites an email from Pozharskyi to Hunter Biden saying he was “going to share this information with the US embassy here in Kyiv, as well as the office of Mr Amos Hochstein in the States.”

“I know for a fact he never contacted me or my office,” said Hochstein, who at the time worked closely with Biden as special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs. “I provided every record to the Senate investigation, and no mention of this guy was ever made, no emails, no correspondence. I know almost every player in the energy sector in Ukraine. I never met this guy.”

Carpenter said that the vice president wouldn’t have had a meeting with a company executive. “He was the vice president of the United States,” he said. “He met with prime ministers.”


This does not exclude the possibility that Biden briefly shook hands and chatted with Pozharskyi during a public event. Hunter Biden, for instance, helped arrange for a potential business partner, Jonathan Li, to shake hands with his father in the lobby of a Beijing hotel when the vice president made an official trip to China.

What does Hunter Biden say?

Asked to verify whether the email is genuine, Hunter Biden’s attorney George Mesires told The Fact Checker: “We have no idea where this came from, and certainly cannot credit anything that Rudy Giuliani provided to the NY Post, but what I do know for certain is that this purported meeting never happened.”

Are there errors in the New York Post report?

A separate article, about another email, claims that a public relations company that worked for Burisma was allowed to take part in a conference call about an upcoming visit by Joe Biden to Ukraine. But there was nothing secret about this call, and the transcript was released publicly and posted on the White House website.

More broadly, the New York Post repeats the falsehood, advanced by Trump, that the “elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company.”

We have fact-checked this repeatedly. During President Barack Obama’s second term, Biden was in charge of the Ukraine portfolio, keeping in close touch with the country’s president, Petro Poroshenko. Biden’s brief was to sweet-talk and jawbone Poroshenko into making reforms that Ukraine’s Western benefactors wanted to see as part of Ukraine’s escape from Russia’s orbit. But the Americans saw an obstacle to reform in Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, whom the United States viewed as ineffective and beholden to Poroshenko and Ukraine’s corrupt oligarchs. In particular, Shokin had failed to pursue an investigation of the founder of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky.

The U.S. Embassy in Kyiv proposed that Biden, during his 2015 visit there, use a pending delivery of $1 billion of loan guarantees as leverage to force reform. Biden addressed the Ukrainian parliament, decrying the “cancer of corruption” in the country and criticizing the prosecutor’s office. During that visit, Biden privately told Poroshenko the loan guarantees would be withheld unless Shokin was replaced. After repeated calls and meetings between the two men over several months, Shokin was removed and the loan guarantees were provided.

Pavlo Klimkin, Ukrainian foreign minister from 2014 until Aug. 29, 2019, said that the firing of Shokin was universally urged by Ukraine’s benefactors. “The demand came not just from the U.S., and not just from Biden,” he said. “I heard it in every meeting with the international financial institutions, especially the IMF and World Bank. It was not just Biden. Clearly.”


Colin H. Kahl, Biden’s national security adviser at the time, told The Fact Checker that “our policy on corruption and Shokin in Ukraine kept getting tougher across 2015, so the whole theory of the case makes no sense.”

Why is this coming out now?

Good question. The FBI supposedly obtained the hard drive earlier this year from John MacIsaac, who said he owns the Wilmington Mac Shop.

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He made a copy of the hard drive and gave it to Giuliani. This past weekend, Giuliani passed a copy to the New York Post. But presumably the laptop would have been of use to the year-long Senate investigation, which found no wrongdoing by Biden.

As Giuliani has sought to locate information about Hunter Biden and Ukraine, he has regularly interacted with a Ukrainian lawmaker who was recently sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department as being an “active Russian agent for over a decade” and was engaged in an influence operation to affect the 2020 election. Those interactions have given rise to fears that the emails could be part of a broader disinformation campaign.



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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 9:18pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Look in the mirror the next time you say that, eh ?
 

Oh, I've been in therapy for years to deal with the fucked up world That Reagan created.
 
Then I guess that the definition of insanity applies ... Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results.

You should ask for your money back cuz it is clearly not working.

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{#Meditate}
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:57pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Look in the mirror the next time you say that, eh ?
 

Oh, I've been in therapy for years to deal with the fucked up world That Reagan created.
 
I'm sorry this is happening to you.
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:50pm



 kurtster wrote:

Look in the mirror the next time you say that, eh ?
 

Oh, I've been in therapy for years to deal with the fucked up world That Reagan created.
kurtster

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:44pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Yep.
 

Please, seek professional help.

 
Look in the mirror the next time you say that, eh ?
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:36pm



 kurtster wrote:

Yep.
 

Please, seek professional help.

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:32pm

“We’ve done an amazing job. And it’s rounding the corner.”
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:11pm

 Steely_D wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, no one here cares anyway.    

Yep.
 
Yep.
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