I was asking about goodness and moral values. ~ While there certainly is no shortage of moral values being put in front, as the New Atheism morphed into the Social Justice movement seems beyond debate.
Yet where the focus goes, the energy flows.
Meaning, I can concentrate on this or that, and strengthen it this way. ~ Why does it always have to be negative with these atheist lighthouse-keepers? Negative in negating the purposed 'other'? Concentrating on 'their' failures and wrongdoings?
Does that lead to any progress for society as a whole?
Since Cain and Abel, not.
*chuckle*
I'm almost certain you just tried to say something.
Sorry, I can't help here: I don't care if God exists or not - I'm an apatheist
I was asking about goodness and moral values. ~ While there certainly is no shortage of moral values being put in front, as the New Atheism morphed into the Social Justice movement seems beyond debate.
Yet where the focus goes, the energy flows.
Meaning, I can concentrate on this or that, and strengthen it this way. ~ Why does it always have to be negative with these atheist lighthouse-keepers? Negative in negating the purposed 'other'? Concentrating on 'their' failures and wrongdoings?
Does that lead to any progress for society as a whole?
Since Cain and Abel, not.
*chuckle*
I'm almost certain you just tried to say something.
I was asking about goodness and moral values. ~ While there certainly is no shortage of moral values being put in front, as the New Atheism morphed into the Social Justice movement seems beyond debate.
Yet where the focus goes, the energy flows.
Meaning, I can concentrate on this or that, and strengthen it this way. ~ Why does it always have to be negative with these atheist lighthouse-keepers? Negative in negating the purposed 'other'? Concentrating on 'their' failures and wrongdoings?
Does that lead to any progress for society as a whole?
Since Cain and Abel, not.
*chuckle*
The clip is from a debate. Hitch was making his point that morality is innate by pointing out the glaring immorality of religion.
If you want to see the whole thing (rather than a cherry-picked snippet) you can watch the debate below. It's rather interesting (if somewhat long at almost 2 hours) and I recommend it.
Indeed. I think I've seen most of Hitch's debates - including that one - and in every case he hands them their ass.
If you want to see the whole thing (rather than a cherry-picked snippet) you can watch the debate below. It's rather interesting (if somewhat long at almost 2 hours) and I recommend it.
Well, did you really read the article, and not only peer over it's graphs?
It states the movement of New Atheism dissolved as such, first into Atheism-Plus, which is Atheism + Social Justice movements, and eventually dissolved further into a singular Social Justice movement.
Also, I wasn't aiming at success of religionism, much less at that of any churchism here.
The term "New Atheism" was one coined outside the actual atheist movement by a journalist. The usual suspects (the "Four Horsemen" listed in the first article) never used it that I know of. Tom Flynn wrote a nice compact criticism of the moniker and the associated characterization of the atheist movement for Rational Inquiry magazine (unfortunately subscription access only, but excerpted here).
There never has been an organization claiming to speak for New Atheism, so to claim that it evolved into something else is an exercise in putting words in other people's mouths.
The Atheism Plus movement (which is indeed defunct, at least its website is anyway) was founded by Jennifer McCreight and as far as I know was never endorsed by or involved any of the New Atheist characters. In fact it seems to have formed out of a sexual harassment accusation against Dawkins, which caused a Gamergate-like schism within the atheist community. So no, New Atheism never existed in the first place as an entity and if it had Atheism Plus is not where it would have gone.
You don't get to conjure up a movement then declare victory over it. I mean, I guess you can, but you might as well claim to have beaten the Forces of the Dark Lord.
