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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 1:10pm

 romeotuma wrote:


Hey— that pictures of feet forum is essential...  it is the epitome of quality humanity...  it is my favorite forum by far...

 
Yeah, the Brazillian hackers got the old  "Sexy Nostrils" thread - I haven't been the same since.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 1:06pm

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you're digging a hole.
 
Well, just kicking a little dirt, really - I am serious about the idea of necessity and the RP threads being pure anarchy - it's what I love best about RP - well, almost as much as you.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 1:04pm

 brandog wrote:

As is often the case with something Beaker doesn't like, this thread has devolved from being a repository of news citations of right wing stupidity and extremism to a a repository of trainwreck dogpile in-fighting and Beaker being ... well, Beaker.

And, how necessary is any thread (pictures of my feet *snort*, trousers game, things that piss me off, etc?)  I personally think about 99% of the threads created are unnecessary, so what - this is anarchy, and it's a package deal.
 
you're digging a hole.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 12:48pm

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Personally, I think this whole thread is unnecessary.

 
As is often the case with something Beaker doesn't like, this thread has devolved from being a repository of news citations of right wing stupidity and extremism to a a repository of trainwreck dogpile in-fighting and Beaker being ... well, Beaker.

And, how necessary is any thread (pictures of my feet *snort*, trousers game, things that piss me off, etc?)  I personally think about 99% of the threads created are unnecessary, so what - this is anarchy, and it's a package deal.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 12:44pm

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 Mugro wrote:

{#Whisper} .....uhmmm.... the article is from the Onion. It's a JOKE.

No shit, Sherlock. It is still in bad taste, regardless of whomever wrote it. 

 
I don't think I've ever seen anything even close to this rank from the Onion before.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 12:41pm

 Mugro wrote:
{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}

Having fun?

You guys might feel better if you didn't persist getting yourselves all up in a lather at each other. You may think that you are hurting the other guy, but it is really self-destructive behavior.

Just some friendly advice. Carry on.....

{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}

 
Beaker can have the exquisite pleasure of proving me, and all his other detractors, wrong by simply avoiding personal attacks, head games, etc. and sticking to the topic at hand.  If I attack Beaker as an SOB, and he subsequently acts like a perfect gentleman, not only do I look like a total ass - even more so than usual - but I feel like a total ass.  It's Beaker's chance to demonstrate that I'm an ass to my own self.   This is a priceless opportunity.


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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 11:36am

 jadewahoo wrote:
 Mugro wrote:

{#Whisper} .....uhmmm.... the article is from the Onion. It's a JOKE.

No shit, Sherlock. It is still in bad taste, regardless of whomever wrote it. 

 
Consider that The Onion is only pointing out how the calculated manipulation of the cognitively disenfranchised 'birthers' is an abomination in and of itself.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 11:23am

 Mugro wrote:

{#Whisper} .....uhmmm.... the article is from the Onion. It's a JOKE.

No shit, Sherlock. It is still in bad taste, regardless of whomever wrote it. 


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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 10:35am

 jadewahoo wrote:
 romeotuma wrote:


Afterbirthers Demand To See Obama's Placenta
WASHINGTON-In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as "Afterbirthers" demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. "All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels-preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery-and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal.

Personally, I feel that this is over the edge and uncalled for. The Birthers are their own joke and worst enemy. This just drags one down to their level.

 
{#Whisper} .....uhmmm.... the article is from the Onion. It's a JOKE.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2009 - 10:24am

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Afterbirthers Demand To See Obama's Placenta
WASHINGTON-In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as "Afterbirthers" demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. "All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels-preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery-and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal.

Personally, I feel that this is over the edge and uncalled for. The Birthers are their own joke and worst enemy. This just drags one down to their level.


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Posted: Aug 29, 2009 - 1:13pm

Man: Obama threat for apocalyptic attention


JACKSON, Miss. - A Wisconsin man pleaded guilty to threatening to assassinate Barack Obama in January, but said he was just trying to get word out about the apocalypse.

Forty-two-year-old Steven Joseph Christopher told U.S. District Judge Henry Wingate on Friday that he is the second coming of Christ, and wanted people to know that much of the world will be destroyed in 2012.

According to the indictment, the message reported Jan. 11 by the administrator of a Web site called "Alien Earth" asked readers to donate a gun and bus fare from Mississippi to Washington.

Wingate scheduled sentencing Nov. 6; Christopher could get up to five years in prison.

Prosecutors told Wingate last month that a psychologist had found Christopher mentally incompetent, but the judge ruled otherwise.

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Information from: The Clarion-Ledger, http://www.clarionledger.com


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Posted: Aug 29, 2009 - 12:04pm

{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}

Having fun?

You guys might feel better if you didn't persist getting yourselves all up in a lather at each other. You may think that you are hurting the other guy, but it is really self-destructive behavior.

Just some friendly advice. Carry on.....

{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}{#Frustrated}


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Posted: Aug 29, 2009 - 11:47am

 Beaker wrote:

My my, aren't you quite the stalker.  You've made notes on every wee little thing that I ever did that might have annoyed you.

edit: reader's note - see this excerpt from Beaker's Greatest Hits  /edit :winkything:

Yes, I know you've been angling for my attention for a long, long while — obviously e-jealous of the affections I shower on some here.  But I see right through you.  You're not looking for discussion - you're here just to brawl.  Sorry dude - that's not me, and never was.

Just so you don't go away disappointed yet again, and since you mentioned LGF, here's a link to yet another inflammatory article over at that notorious hate site:

We Got Mail!


 

The "notes" have resided in that storage device called "the human brain".  I'm just barely touching the low points, too. 

The Beaker technique is to use a wide array of techniques to  harass, hound, annoy, and savage other RPeeps until they yawp.  They subsequently cool down;  there's a period of psychological/emotional retraction as the anger subsides.  Beaker swoops in with a showy display of outrage and demands for abject apology.

It's cruel sport with RP members, it's disgusting, and I won't remain silent about it, barrage of abuse or not. I don't want your notice.  I do want RP forum members to notice what you're doing to the forum. 

And I really don't care if you assist grandmothers across the street at night in arctic conditions in Saskatoon;  all I can see is what goes on here in this forum.

Your "Beaker's Greatest Hits" link merely confirms what I'm saying.  For those who actually take the trouble to follow it, they can easily scroll back a dozen posts and see how it developed.  I didn't level a singe ad-hominem at you, nor did I play games with your handle, "beaker".  I was responding to a link you provided criticizing Tim Geither which featuring the keen insights "A $100 billion mistake!" and "Idjit".  As if you're not here for a brawl.

I kept up with your responses, and it was all going reasonably civilly - nobody in their right mind would call it stalking.  You responded by applying the insulting name of "bantha fodder" to me - an assault that was completely unjustified.  You did nothing to support your contention that Geithner didn't know what he was talking about but instead posted a silly page of links to year-old posts from me - do I have anything to do with Geithner? 

You'll also notice that I did not initially respond to the provocation by a mangle of my own, and only after you repeatedly resorted to insolent name calling did I respond in kind.  That was a mistake - I should have contacted Bill G, and given him one more hassle to confront in what must be a world of hassles. 

I think you're counting on me being pissed off and flustered by a revisit to the insolence.  Why else would you provide a link that very clearly shows how you initiated a puerile bout of name calling? 


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Posted: Aug 28, 2009 - 10:01pm

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{#Puke}

 

{#Stupid}

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Posted: Aug 28, 2009 - 9:41pm

 Beaker wrote:

My my, aren't you quite the stalker.  You've made notes on every wee little thing that I ever did that might have annoyed you.

Yes, I know you've been angling for my attention for a long, long while — obviously e-jealous of the affections I shower on some here.  But I see right through you.  You're not looking for discussion - you're here just to brawl.  Sorry dude - that's not me, and never was.

Just so you don't go away disappointed yet again, and since you mentioned LGF, here's a link to yet another inflammatory article over at that notorious hate site:

We Got Mail!


 
{#Puke}


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Posted: Aug 28, 2009 - 8:32pm

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Wow folks.  Lots of talk.  About ... me.  WTF?

This isn't about me. Making it about me is what Brandon and like-minded folk want - that's much more convenient than being forced to admit they've transgressed the bounds of common decency here.

This discussion SHOULD be about the libelous accusations Brandon posted aimed squarely at me - and by extension, about anyone posting malicious accusations and personal attacks against another RPeep.  I find it disappointing that so many of you keep forgetting this, time after time.  That this kind of crap continues to be tolerated on the forum is disappointing — and a major reason why many lurkers and those who avoid the political threads will not reveal themselves and comment on a serious topic.

All this has happened before. All this will happen again.

While words have been said on rationalizing why no one jumped in to support me against the charges laid by Brandon, the obvious words left unsaid - that no one had the balls to say - was this was also the case for Brandon - no one here felt the responsibility to either back up his charges, or chastise him for making such outrageous claims.  And yet with just ONE accuser before us, another RPeep who has been here for a while actually had to ask if its true.  Wow.  If I ever needed evidence to reinforce my long-held belief that a lack of visible public moderation here has its consequences, there it is.

Some time ago it was suggested to me that frothing on in the forum about public figures was fine and dandy - including libelous claims against honourable persons who serve your country, but any personal attacks on  fellow RPeeps was verboten.  Of course the enforcement to correct any personal attacks that did take place was never there, so nature taking its course, and with no evidence of consequences, the frothing and attacks against public figures was easily redirected at any RPeep - not just me - who offered even the slightest of opposition to the bleating.

The total failure to excoriate or even publicly reprimand in some fashion those who go too far has a predictable result of driving many voices away from this forum.  Why would anyone wish to risk the wrath of a Brandon or HC or Servo or even maybe a Beaker for merely stating an opposing opinion?  Must all opinions be carefully worded and threaded ever so delicately to avoid disrupting the sensibilities of the reader?  If you have anything resembling conservative viewpoints, that certainly seems what is demanded here - and my experience here is not the only one.

As a place for serious political discussion, this forum is a near total failure.  With my voice removed for some months, it was noted by more than one person that the level of rancor remained unchanged.  Blame me all you want.  Blame any other loud voices, be they conservative, liberal, independent or nutbar all you want.  Point the fingers where ever you choose - but know this - many of us have long recognized the reason for the failure of reasonable discourse in this forum - and the root of this failure isn't with any one individual participant. 

As far as my responses to certain people here goes, while some may dislike my style and claim alienation, in the face of no moderation or demerits for those who cross the line in their rhetoric, I'd like you to consider the presentation alternatives available to an opposing voice in responding to the screaming and frothing ALREADY ON DISPLAY.  And don't start with me in an admonishment to provide reasoned discourse in 'leading by example' - as this isn't anything demanded of anyone else here.

Unintended Consequences

The consequences of failing to set and maintain a reasonable standard for discourse here are numerous, and many are not obvious to anyone not familiar with the dynamics at play on a public forum.  Here's just a few I have personally observed:

Knowledgeable voices on serious subjects remain muted and unwilling to participate AT ALL, having seen long-term the non-serious responses to serious topics, and/or the angry arrows aimed at the outspoken.

While almost all of us here are quite reasonable folks, all it takes is just a few - even one or two - to run amok, do silly things and pay no consequences, thus setting an (undesirable) example for others on just what can be gotten away with here. And thus the newbie lurker can turn into another example of a forum participant showing behaviour that is undesirable.  I've seen this several times now.

Newbie members assume the worst about certain members based solely upon the obvious and blatant disdain that a handful of others post.  With no corrective action taken against the offenders, the newbie assumes that allegations are true.  'Your reputation precedes you'...  Sad that the reputation of others may be controlled in any way by the vocal frothing of a handful here, but there it is.

RP members leave the forum and RP permanently as a result of the intolerance on display.  Military spouses have left not to return. How many now?

People leave here for Facebook, RL or safer environs elsewhere due to the venom and vicious attacks.  The RP forum isn't the only place to connect with music lovers, or other like-minded folk on any topic. Facebook, as one example, offers personal accountability (you use your real name) - and the prospect of moderation.  With every forum participant lost, the chance is high that their economic support is also lost.  While the forum is a tiny part of the business that is RP,   IMO, the opportunities available to RP to use it to their advantage are for the most part being wasted ... having venom and conflicts on public display weekly can't possibly be good for any business model.  One display of intolerance or personal attack allowed to stand undoes many dozens of great posts by the rest of the community.

Yeah so?

In the end, this post isn't about me.  It isn't about Brandon.  Its about the much bigger picture - the direction of the RP forum and your own personal interactions with others here.  Want to talk about anything other than politics - fine.  But talk about politics at your own peril here - for there are nearly no limits to what will be tolerated in the forum - Brandon's recent malicious allegations and personal attacks, which he refuses to either prove or retract - and has paid no observable consequences for, have reinforced this for us all once again - as if some of us needed a reminder.

Unless things change around here, which I highly doubt, I see the pattern continuing on.  That's truly sad.

All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

 

ADDENDUM:

I'd also like to point out that the lack of effective moderation also has had negative effects on one of the most important areas on this entire website - the song comments area.  Talk about cutting your own throat there...

And a heartfelt thank you to those of you who stepped in to address an RP member's question and refute the allegations made by Brandon.  Your efforts did not go unnoticed.  If the forum had any semblance of moderation, such events wouldn't likely occur in the first place.

 

 



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I laughed so hard at this pic Sean posted the other day.  Couldn't breathe much and my eyes were leaking big time. 

For me, this pic truly says it all.

Thank you Sean for reminding us there's much more important things out there than dysfunctional Innerweb forums and the crazy people they attract.
 
Hiya, Beaker...Bantha Fodder here.  Remember?  I fully support a rule that anyone who starts such handle mangling should be required to apologize, suspended for a while if it happens again, and DD'd if it happens yet again.  It would also keep the target of the abuse from trying to respond tit for tat, as I did.

If you provide links to inflammatory articles in Hot Air or Little Green Footballs, it's an invitation for people to respond.  I don't have to agree with the content, and I can even try and demonstrate all the inconsistencies and fallacies therein.  Or, am I supposed to not point them out??  So, if I do, and you respond with nothing but a page of links to year-old posts of mine, and an insolent reference to me, then it demonstrates that all you're interested in doing is pushing peoples' buttons. 

As for brandog, he may have been guilty of extrapolation.  BFD.  I think everyone here has either committed or been a victim of the same sin.  Myself, I've been cast as a raging yobbo, consumed with jealousy of the rich, or - my favorite - as a Menace to Society.  Most people who are accused in this way demonstrate that they're not what they're accused of being with a few examples of their beliefs, rather than all this lawerly outrage. 

As for your beliefs, I don't know, I just think that anyone who adopts an avatar of a smiley face with the slogan "Imagine - no liberals" isn't one, nor is anyone who alternately uses a Ronald Reagan portrait as an avatar.  And what in the hell is that Hey Kitty with the Kalashnikov?  Unless, of course, you're just trying to annoy what you perceive as a great number of liberals in the forum...pushing peoples' buttons.

Then there's the argument over New Republic editor Franklin Foer, in which you hectored aflanigan about making a bet on Foer's fate.  Aflanigan the fabulist.  Again, pushing buttons.

It goes on and on.  Goad 'em till they squawk, then play back the recording of the squawking, with your precise analysis, denunciation, and demands.

I think you're just into playing cruel little games with the RP forum, using the great knowledge of human character you've attained in your sales career..    Y'know...toss grenades into the forum and watch the ants run around with their hair on fire, as you once put it. 

Now, I don't have Proof, in the form of notarized documents, of all these things I'm mentioning.  I think it'd be asinine to make such an effort in what should be an informal forum.  I do have a memory, though, and some things stick in it.



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Posted: Aug 28, 2009 - 1:34pm

 brandog wrote:

Another thing is, no matter how supportive, friendly, laid back, or whatever I am 99.95% of the time, it's that 0.005% people seem to remember and dwell on.  I think that speaks more about them than it does about me - maybe that's "normal" for people to do, I don't know.
 

I remember the .005%, as I remember my own similar moments. But, what is in the front of my memory about you are the things that you have done to try to move beyond those ".005% moments". You deserve a lot of credit for that, and also some slack when you let your guard down and have a .005 moment (as I still do). 

Because of this, I have a lot more respect for you, Brandon. Certainly much more than I have for some other people here who will not recognize that they continue to spew hate and intolerance here. And, so that I might be clear, the hate and intolerance spewed here is not exclusive to any political ideology or party.

EDIT: I haven't read much of the current flamewar below. I just came in and saw the top couple posts. Please don't anyone take my above comment as taking any side in the Beaker/Brandog discussion. I just wanted to give Brandon credit for trying to change. Beaker makes some good points here, though too, and I think that many of the intolerant don't want to admit that he may be right about some things. Don't we all cross the line some times? Yep. Shouldn't we all try harder to be civil and polite to one another? Yep again.
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Posted: Aug 28, 2009 - 1:16pm

 brandog wrote:

Agreed G - I have to get back to work now.
 
I feel like a cop. {#Hug} Get to work, you freak. ;)

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Posted: Aug 28, 2009 - 1:08pm

 zipper wrote:

I could claim the same, you know. Seriously, B, the hate and intolerance have to go. It breeds upon itself and makes RP a miserable hole.
 
Agreed G - I have to get back to work now.

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Posted: Aug 28, 2009 - 1:08pm

 brandog wrote:

Another thing is, no matter how supportive, friendly, laid back, or whatever I am 99.5% of the time, it's that 0.05% people seem to remember and dwell on.  I think that speaks more about them than it does about me - maybe that's "normal" for people to do, I don't know.
 
I could claim the same, you know. Seriously, B, the hate and intolerance have to go. It breeds upon itself and makes RP a miserable hole.

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