[ ]   [ ]   [ ]                        [ ]      [ ]   [ ]

Trump - kcar - Apr 25, 2024 - 10:53pm
 
Joe Biden - kurtster - Apr 25, 2024 - 9:24pm
 
SCOTUS - islander - Apr 25, 2024 - 9:19pm
 
Wordle - daily game - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Apr 25, 2024 - 9:07pm
 
The Obituary Page - RParadise - Apr 25, 2024 - 8:44pm
 
NY Times Strands - maryte - Apr 25, 2024 - 3:43pm
 
NYTimes Connections - maryte - Apr 25, 2024 - 3:34pm
 
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum - islander - Apr 25, 2024 - 2:28pm
 
Breaking News - islander - Apr 25, 2024 - 2:25pm
 
Things You Thought Today - Manbird - Apr 25, 2024 - 2:12pm
 
Poetry Forum - Manbird - Apr 25, 2024 - 12:30pm
 
Neil Young - buddy - Apr 25, 2024 - 11:57am
 
Ask an Atheist - R_P - Apr 25, 2024 - 11:02am
 
Mixtape Culture Club - miamizsun - Apr 25, 2024 - 10:36am
 
Afghanistan - R_P - Apr 25, 2024 - 10:26am
 
Israel - R_P - Apr 25, 2024 - 10:06am
 
Science in the News - Red_Dragon - Apr 25, 2024 - 10:00am
 
Today in History - Red_Dragon - Apr 25, 2024 - 9:56am
 
What the hell OV? - miamizsun - Apr 25, 2024 - 9:46am
 
The Abortion Wars - Isabeau - Apr 25, 2024 - 9:27am
 
Radio Paradise Comments - Isabeau - Apr 25, 2024 - 9:21am
 
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos - Proclivities - Apr 25, 2024 - 7:33am
 
Vinyl Only Spin List - ColdMiser - Apr 25, 2024 - 7:15am
 
What's that smell? - Manbird - Apr 24, 2024 - 10:27pm
 
Song of the Day - oldviolin - Apr 24, 2024 - 10:20pm
 
April 2024 Photo Theme - Happenstance - oldviolin - Apr 24, 2024 - 9:50pm
 
260,000 Posts in one thread? - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Apr 24, 2024 - 10:55am
 
Would you drive this car for dating with ur girl? - rgio - Apr 24, 2024 - 8:44am
 
TV shows you watch - Beaker - Apr 24, 2024 - 7:32am
 
The Moon - haresfur - Apr 23, 2024 - 9:29pm
 
Dialing 1-800-Manbird - Bill_J - Apr 23, 2024 - 7:15pm
 
China - R_P - Apr 23, 2024 - 5:35pm
 
Economix - islander - Apr 23, 2024 - 12:11pm
 
USA! USA! USA! - R_P - Apr 23, 2024 - 11:05am
 
One Partying State - Wyoming News - sunybuny - Apr 23, 2024 - 6:53am
 
YouTube: Music-Videos - Red_Dragon - Apr 22, 2024 - 7:42pm
 
Ukraine - haresfur - Apr 22, 2024 - 6:19pm
 
songs that ROCK! - Steely_D - Apr 22, 2024 - 1:50pm
 
Bug Reports & Feature Requests - q4Fry - Apr 22, 2024 - 11:57am
 
Republican Party - R_P - Apr 22, 2024 - 9:36am
 
Mini Meetups - Post Here! - ScottFromWyoming - Apr 22, 2024 - 8:59am
 
Malaysia - dcruzj - Apr 22, 2024 - 7:30am
 
Canada - westslope - Apr 22, 2024 - 6:23am
 
Russia - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Apr 22, 2024 - 1:03am
 
Broccoli for cats - you gotta see this! - Bill_J - Apr 21, 2024 - 6:16pm
 
Name My Band - DaveInSaoMiguel - Apr 21, 2024 - 3:06pm
 
Main Mix Playlist - thisbody - Apr 21, 2024 - 12:04pm
 
George Orwell - oldviolin - Apr 21, 2024 - 11:36am
 
• • • The Once-a-Day • • •  - oldviolin - Apr 20, 2024 - 7:44pm
 
What Did You See Today? - Welly - Apr 20, 2024 - 4:50pm
 
Radio Paradise on multiple Echo speakers via an Alexa Rou... - victory806 - Apr 20, 2024 - 2:11pm
 
Libertarian Party - R_P - Apr 20, 2024 - 11:18am
 
Remembering the Good Old Days - kurtster - Apr 20, 2024 - 2:37am
 
Words I didn't know...yrs ago - Bill_J - Apr 19, 2024 - 7:06pm
 
Things that make you go Hmmmm..... - Bill_J - Apr 19, 2024 - 6:59pm
 
Baseball, anyone? - Red_Dragon - Apr 19, 2024 - 6:51pm
 
MILESTONES: Famous People, Dead Today, Born Today, Etc. - Bill_J - Apr 19, 2024 - 6:44pm
 
2024 Elections! - steeler - Apr 19, 2024 - 5:49pm
 
Country Up The Bumpkin - KurtfromLaQuinta - Apr 19, 2024 - 7:55am
 
how do you feel right now? - miamizsun - Apr 19, 2024 - 6:02am
 
When I need a Laugh I ... - miamizsun - Apr 19, 2024 - 5:43am
 
Live Music - oldviolin - Apr 18, 2024 - 3:24pm
 
What Makes You Laugh? - oldviolin - Apr 18, 2024 - 2:49pm
 
Robots - miamizsun - Apr 18, 2024 - 2:18pm
 
Museum Of Bad Album Covers - Steve - Apr 18, 2024 - 6:58am
 
Europe - haresfur - Apr 17, 2024 - 6:47pm
 
Business as Usual - black321 - Apr 17, 2024 - 1:48pm
 
Magic Eye optical Illusions - Proclivities - Apr 17, 2024 - 10:08am
 
Just for the Haiku of it. . . - oldviolin - Apr 17, 2024 - 9:01am
 
HALF A WORLD - oldviolin - Apr 17, 2024 - 8:52am
 
Little known information... maybe even facts - R_P - Apr 16, 2024 - 3:29pm
 
WTF??!! - rgio - Apr 16, 2024 - 5:23am
 
Australia has Disappeared - haresfur - Apr 16, 2024 - 4:58am
 
Earthquake - miamizsun - Apr 16, 2024 - 4:46am
 
It's the economy stupid. - miamizsun - Apr 16, 2024 - 4:28am
 
Index » Radio Paradise/General » General Discussion » Ask the Libertarian Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 169, 170, 171  Next
Post to this Topic
haresfur

haresfur Avatar

Location: The Golden Triangle
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 9, 2020 - 12:07am



 Lazy8 wrote:
kcar wrote:
Yes I could support such a platform, provided those blurbs were fully fleshed out into details.

I'm not in favor of small/fringe groups running presidential candidates. Those groups have no chance of winning and run the risk of siphoning off votes from the major candidates.

don't vote for them because they can't win because nobody votes for them because they can't win so don't vote for them?

You realize what it takes to break that cycle, right?

 
Rank-choice voting

kcar

kcar Avatar



Posted: Jun 8, 2020 - 9:08pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
kcar wrote:
Yes I could support such a platform, provided those blurbs were fully fleshed out into details.

I'm not in favor of small/fringe groups running presidential candidates. Those groups have no chance of winning and run the risk of siphoning off votes from the major candidates.

don't vote for them because they can't win because nobody votes for them because they can't win so don't vote for them?

You realize what it takes to break that cycle, right?
 

"You realize what it takes to break that cycle, right?"


Free ponies! with vulcan cannons! And a Waffle House on every corner!
Whee!


The tl;dr version of my post just below yours: The Libertarian Party is fatally compromised and crippled by its disavowal of using government power—derived from the consent of the governed and their elected representatives—to secure, maintain and advance the common good.

Also, the LP seems riddled with clowns, clueless opportunists (e.g. Gary Johnson) and 1%ers like the Koch brothers who just want to lower their taxes, regulatory burdens and general compliance with federal laws.

But good luck with that dream!





kcar

kcar Avatar



Posted: Jun 8, 2020 - 8:57pm



 oldviolin wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 oldviolin wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:

 

Errmmm...y'all do know that Amash has decided not to run for president, right? 


 
So but maybe that holds but what about the blurbs? Do they represent some of the ingredients of a platform you could support? Not a test. Just curious because well, I am about everything in general...

 

Yes I could support such a platform, provided those blurbs were fully fleshed out into details.

I'm not in favor of small/fringe groups running presidential candidates. Those groups have no chance of winning and run the risk of siphoning off votes from the major candidates.
 

So now please tolerate a dull if provocative question but VP Biden and President Trump are major candidates because of party affiliation? Aren't most determinant voters independents looking for truth in advertising? Again, not trying to be clever. Are the Libertarians a fringe group? Seems to me their platform generally spans a number of prime sensibilities...
 

I'm not sure that you can say that independents are determinant voters.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fa...

According to Pew Research polling, independents are split between GOP-leaning (13%) , Dem-leaning (17%) and true independents (7%). The leaners of one party persuasion apparently are closer in their opinions to partisans leaning in the same direction than they are to leaners of the other persuasion. So GOP-leaning independents have more in common opinion-wise with strong Republicans than they do with Dem-leaning independents.

The true independents apparently are less politically engaged than the leaning independents. So overall, I'm not sure that independent voters (according to Pew, making up about 38% of voters) are really up for grabs as potential converts to Libertarianism.

The Libertarian party (LP) might be able to pull disillusioned people in their direction—I don't know. But my concern with the LP is that it doesn't seem big on collective action or agreements that would require people to limit or sacrifice their individual freedoms. Mandated universal health care, required quarantining, regulation of pollution, federal policies designed to combat global warming...from what I can tell, the LP is against those things. But we need such policies and the LP doesn't seem to offer real alternatives.

For instance: in the last election cycle, LP presidential nominee Gary Johnson was asked how he would combat global warming. He replied that he thought cap-and-trade legislation would cost far more than it would be worth. He also suggested that we should take the longlong term view: the sun will expand in billions of years, burning up the earth...so global warming is certainly in our future.

I shit you not.

Here, check it out for yourselves. Mother Jones was good enough to report on Gary's pearls of wisdom AND to enclose the video of the speech w/ Q&A at the National Press Club on 7/13/11. This piece even starts the video at the appropriate spot, about 53:14 into the 1+ hour media event. He even promoted building more coal-burning power plants in his answer.


Now, the 2020 LP nominee—Clemson Univ. professor Jo Jorgenson seems a bit less OTL. But she thinks that instead of state-mandated quarantining against the coronavirus, the US should leave it up to individuals as to whether they should be in quarantine. And in the face of of 40 million unemployed people, the US should rely on private charity.

Read the transcript of the NPR interview for yourself
.   For all the noise that the LP makes about the freedom of individual choices, Jo Jorgenson completely shuts down the whackadoo notions of her VP partner, Spike Cohen—so no Free Ponies for you! No world on how she feels about fellow LP figure, Vermin Supreme, or the boot chronically stuck on his head.


Here—just so you know I'm not making it up about the boot—a pic from the Wikipedia entry:




Johnson and Jorgenson are simply not being responsible in their policy formulations. The party teeters between the seriously naive and the f*ckit, let's be clowns.

And finally, I'm very skeptical that the LP will ever be able to forge serious, lasting coalitions with the Dems or GOP. If you can't form alliances and build a broad base, you're powerless—even if you win an election.

Lazy8

Lazy8 Avatar

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 8, 2020 - 8:22pm

kcar wrote:
Yes I could support such a platform, provided those blurbs were fully fleshed out into details.

I'm not in favor of small/fringe groups running presidential candidates. Those groups have no chance of winning and run the risk of siphoning off votes from the major candidates.

don't vote for them because they can't win because nobody votes for them because they can't win so don't vote for them?

You realize what it takes to break that cycle, right?
oldviolin

oldviolin Avatar

Location: esse quam videri
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 8, 2020 - 6:52pm



 kcar wrote:


 oldviolin wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:

 

Errmmm...y'all do know that Amash has decided not to run for president, right? 


 
So but maybe that holds but what about the blurbs? Do they represent some of the ingredients of a platform you could support? Not a test. Just curious because well, I am about everything in general...

 

Yes I could support such a platform, provided those blurbs were fully fleshed out into details.

I'm not in favor of small/fringe groups running presidential candidates. Those groups have no chance of winning and run the risk of siphoning off votes from the major candidates.
 

So now please tolerate a dull if provocative question but VP Biden and President Trump are major candidates because of party affiliation? Aren't most determinant voters independents looking for truth in advertising? Again, not trying to be clever. Are the Libertarians a fringe group? Seems to me their platform generally spans a number of prime sensibilities...
kcar

kcar Avatar



Posted: Jun 8, 2020 - 5:57pm



 oldviolin wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:

 

Errmmm...y'all do know that Amash has decided not to run for president, right? 


 
So but maybe that holds but what about the blurbs? Do they represent some of the ingredients of a platform you could support? Not a test. Just curious because well, I am about everything in general...

 

Yes I could support such a platform, provided those blurbs were fully fleshed out into details.

I'm not in favor of small/fringe groups running presidential candidates. Those groups have no chance of winning and run the risk of siphoning off votes from the major candidates.
oldviolin

oldviolin Avatar

Location: esse quam videri
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 8, 2020 - 5:11pm



 kcar wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:

 

Errmmm...y'all do know that Amash has decided not to run for president, right? 


 
So but maybe that holds but what about the blurbs? Do they represent some of the ingredients of a platform you could support? Not a test. Just curious because well, I am about everything in general...

kcar

kcar Avatar



Posted: Jun 8, 2020 - 4:50pm



 miamizsun wrote:

 

Errmmm...y'all do know that Amash has decided not to run for president, right? 


miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 8, 2020 - 3:24pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
The presidential race is just the icing on the cake, and he isn't a shoo-in for the nomination anyway. The more-historic news: he has joined the LP. That makes him the first LP member of congress.
 
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 29, 2020 - 11:30am

 Lazy8 wrote:
miamizsun wrote:
uh oh, spoiler alert!


The presidential race is just the icing on the cake, and he isn't a shoo-in for the nomination anyway. The more-historic news: he has joined the LP. That makes him the first LP member of congress.
 
Amash is pretty consistent, I guess I trust him as much as any of the others.  As by far the most entrenched and well known name in the party he should secure the nomination.  If he does I see no reason to divert from voting for the Libertarian candidate this year anymore than the rest. Either way, a hulluva lot stronger candidate than Gary Johnson who was a nice guy, but terrible candidate.   I am good with him.{#Meditate}
Lazy8

Lazy8 Avatar

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 29, 2020 - 9:29am

miamizsun wrote:
uh oh, spoiler alert!


The presidential race is just the icing on the cake, and he isn't a shoo-in for the nomination anyway. The more-historic news: he has joined the LP. That makes him the first LP member of congress.
miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 29, 2020 - 7:36am



 Lazy8 wrote:
 

uh oh, spoiler alert!


Lazy8

Lazy8 Avatar

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 28, 2020 - 9:01pm

You didn't ask but...


Justin Amash Is Running for President as a Libertarian

The previously independent 5-term Michigan congressman joins the L.P. and takes aim at the septuagenarian competition.

| 4.28.2020 10:27 PM


AmashShake

sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 10, 2020 - 2:13am

If anyone was unsure of the libertarian position regarding foreign policy and funding of the MIC, perhaps this fellow will clear it up for you.

Making the Best of Running a ‘Sure to Lose’ Libertarian Presidential Campaign

Libertarian presidential candidate Jacob Hornberger provided on Saturday
a clear example of such an approach in regard to US military policy.
Speaking at the Pennsylvania Libertarian Party state convention,
Hornberger stated:
Yeah, I agree, bring the troops home from these so-called forever wars. But, it’s not enough. Bring them home from everywhere: Korea, Europe — World War II’s over, Latin America, wherever. And that’s not all. Discharge them as they hit American shores. Put them in the private sector. And then start concentrating on dismantling this alien form of governmental structure called a national security state. Get rid of the CIA. Get rid of the NSA. Get rid of the Pentagon, this whole military-industrial complex. Restore a limited-government republic with a basic military force.

Lazy8

Lazy8 Avatar

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 26, 2020 - 7:14am

Red_Dragon wrote:

It will come as a shock no doubt that Hitchens wasn't addressing libertarians, but Objectivists. He was a frequent guest at the Cato Institute and Reason magazine. He also wrote admiring biographies of libertarian heroes Thomas Payne and Thomas Jefferson.

You don't make the intellectual evolution Hitchens underwent in one step. Along the way he had a lot to say, but his advocacy for a number of libertarian principles (free expression chief among them) was a constant.


sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 26, 2020 - 3:42am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
 

Red_Dragon

Red_Dragon Avatar

Location: Dumbf*ckistan


Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 7:32pm

NoEnzLefttoSplit

NoEnzLefttoSplit Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 15, 2019 - 8:26am

 miamizsun wrote:
The Alternative to Ideology

 


He has a great quote from Norberto Bobbio at the end:

There were only a few of us who preserved a small bag in which, before throwing ourselves into the sea, we deposited for safekeeping the most salutary fruits of the European intellectual tradition, the value of enquiry, the ferment of doubt, a willingness to dialogue, a spirit of criticism, moderation of judgment, philological scruple, a sense of the complexity of things. Many, too many, deprived themselves of this baggage: they either abandoned it, considering it a useless weight; or they never possessed it, throwing themselves into the waters before having the time to acquire it. I do not reproach them; but I prefer the company of the others. Indeed, I suspect that this company is destined to grow, as the years bring wisdom and events shed new light on things. 
miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 15, 2019 - 6:20am

i think i've posted this before, but it may be worth posting again

it falls short in a couple of areas and makes great points in others

probably worth your time...enjoy


The Alternative to Ideology


When we launched the Niskanen Center in January 2015, we happily identified ourselves as libertarians. Sure, we were heterodox libertarians, but there are many schools of libertarianism beyond those promoted by Charles Koch’s political operationsThe school we identified with was a left-libertarianism concerned with social justice (a libertarian perspective that I’ve defended in debates with more orthodox libertarians here and here). That worldview lacked an institutional voice in 2015. Our ambition was to create a space for it and, in so doing, redefine what it meant to be libertarian in the 21st century.

I have abandoned that libertarian project, however, because I have come to abandon ideology. This essay is an invitation for you to do likewise — to walk out of the “clean and well-lit prison of one idea.” Ideology encourages dodgy reasoning due to what psychologists call “motivated cognition,” which is the act of deciding what you want to believe and using your reasoning power, with all its might, to get you there. Worse, it encourages fanaticism, disregard for social outcomes, and invites irresolvable philosophical disputes. It also threatens social pluralism — which is to say, it threatens freedom.

The better alternative is not moral relativism. The better alternative is moderation, a commodity that is rapidly disappearing in political life, with dangerous consequences for the American republic.

more...





westslope

westslope Avatar

Location: BC sage brush steppe


Posted: Jun 5, 2019 - 9:30am

I believe that monetary policy should be a priority issue for Libertarians and libertarian-minded folks.

James Bullard, St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank president just called for interest rate cuts for a couple of reasons, among them, to increase the inflation rate which is sitting well below the 2% target at roughly 1.6% in recent years.

I believe that the inflation target should be 0% and the US Federal Reserve should drop the employment mandate.    Insure price stability (including financial asset stability) and then get the hell out of the way.  

Many macro economists  believe that positive rates of inflation are necessary in order to fool agents into better outcomes.   It is paternalism of the worst kind and contradicts the approach taken to most economic policy issues by economists who tend to favour transparency and accurate information.

Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 169, 170, 171  Next