Yes, if you probe the depths of the 8% of a population self-selected for a particular delusion you will find all kinds of other delusions consistent with the original. They say these things (at least the pollsters interpreted their answers as saying these things) but does this mean anything? Are they part of a demographic that might do anything, or are they just yelling at the TV in the rest home and spoiling Thanksgiving for the parts of their families that still speak to them?
I think we're both old enough to remember the 1960s. There were actual revolutionaries dedicated to the destruction of US society and they were young enough and dedicated enough to try. They failed. That society survived and has continued to evolve.
A tiny minority that believes daffy things (like the soixante huitards) can still be pretty destructive, but it takes a lot more than that to be more than a nuisance.
But they're electing congressmen! The '60s radicals elected congressmen too. Some of them are still there. I ain't panicking.
Before my time (to be able to remember. However one can always read about it.)
Likely because in those (leftist) historical cases there was ample push back/infiltration/suppression from establishment institutions to make sure they couldn't succeed. Half a century of Red Scare had passed already.
"People who said force is justified to restore Trump were consistent in their insurrectionist sentiments: Of them, 90% also see Biden as illegitimate, and 68% also think force may be needed to preserve Americaâs traditional way of life."
Also...
63% agree with the statement that âAfrican American people or Hispanic people in our country will
eventually have more rights than whitesâ â a belief sometimes called âthe Great Replacement.â
Yes, if you probe the depths of the 8% of a population self-selected for a particular delusion you will find all kinds of other delusions consistent with the original. They say these things (at least the pollsters interpreted their answers as saying these things) but does this mean anything? Are they part of a demographic that might do anything, or are they just yelling at the TV in the rest home and spoiling Thanksgiving for the parts of their families that still speak to them?
I think we're both old enough to remember the 1960s. There were actual revolutionaries dedicated to the destruction of US society and they were young enough and dedicated enough to try. They failed. That society survived and has continued to evolve.
A tiny minority that believes daffy things (like the soixante huitards) can still be pretty destructive, but it takes a lot more than that to be more than a nuisance.
But they're electing congressmen! The '60s radicals elected congressmen too. Some of them are still there. I ain't panicking.
Let's put this in perspective: in 2001 Gallup asked a similar number of people about the legitimacy of George W. Bush's election. 17% responded that he stole the electionâsimilar to the results of this survey. They didn't ask them if they thought violence was justified as a response; maybe they didn't need the click-bait views. You might have missed this, but we didn't have a revolution then either.
Or maybe because they didn't storm the Capitol.
"People who said force is justified to restore Trump were consistent in their insurrectionist sentiments: Of them, 90% also see Biden as illegitimate, and 68% also think force may be needed to preserve Americaâs traditional way of life."
Also...
63% agree with the statement that âAfrican American people or Hispanic people in our country will
eventually have more rights than whitesâ â a belief sometimes called âthe Great Replacement.â
No. They didn't ask 21 million people and get that answer, they asked 1,070 and extrapolated. We have to trust that their sample was representative and that the conclusions (advocating violence) are supported by the questions asked and the answers interpreted.
But let's say they got all that right. Let's say they are accurately representing the opinions of the 1,070 people they asked. The fraction of respondents who they so characterized is 8%. 86 people out of 1,070.
8% is not a trivial number. It would be the nucleus of a revolution...if they meant it. They clearly don't.
Are they rioting? Bombing government buildings? Setting up roadblocks and seizing towns and building barricades? Despite all the hyperventilating in the press, no.. It's enough of an audience to pander to for a TV show or two. It's enough to retweet some memes. If they actually vote it might be enough to sway some elections, but a lot of them aren't even that motivated.
Estimates vary about how many were involved in the capitol riot. By some counts 2,000 people entered the buildingâof whom almost half have been charged with crimes. That was almost 2 years ago. Are they still poking cops with flag poles? Are they still breaking windows in the capitol?
Let's put this in perspective: in 2001 Gallup asked a similar number of people about the legitimacy of George W. Bush's election. 17% responded that he stole the electionâsimilar to the results of this survey. They didn't ask them if they thought violence was justified as a response; maybe they didn't need the click-bait views. You might have missed this, but we didn't have a revolution then either.
It's infuriating how often headlines based on any sort of surveys or studies are so definitive about their extrapolations. They rarely start with "A projected..." or An estimated..."
No. They didn't ask 21 million people and get that answer, they asked 1,070 and extrapolated. We have to trust that their sample was representative and that the conclusions (advocating violence) are supported by the questions asked and the answers interpreted.
But let's say they got all that right. Let's say they are accurately representing the opinions of the 1,070 people they asked. The fraction of respondents who they so characterized is 8%. 86 people out of 1,070.
8% is not a trivial number. It would be the nucleus of a revolution...if they meant it. They clearly don't.
Are they rioting? Bombing government buildings? Setting up roadblocks and seizing towns and building barricades? Despite all the hyperventilating in the press, no.. It's enough of an audience to pander to for a TV show or two. It's enough to retweet some memes. If they actually vote it might be enough to sway some elections, but a lot of them aren't even that motivated.
Estimates vary about how many were involved in the capitol riot. By some counts 2,000 people entered the building—of whom almost half have been charged with crimes. That was almost 2 years ago. Are they still poking cops with flag poles? Are they still breaking windows in the capitol?
Let's put this in perspective: in 2001 Gallup asked a similar number of people about the legitimacy of George W. Bush's election. 17% responded that he stole the election—similar to the results of this survey. They didn't ask them if they thought violence was justified as a response; maybe they didn't need the click-bait views. You might have missed this, but we didn't have a revolution then either.
These nutcakes are the ones that scare me the most. Their delusion is being stoked daily by that big blob in Florida and it is frightening to think where it may lead. How do you turn their thinking around?
I would be more worried about all the trusting fools who bought plug in EV's and now are not allowed to use them ... because wait for it ... the grid can't handle the charging load.
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I'll even go out on a limb and suggest that 99% are owned by good little obedient democrats.
Of course, the Great State of Texas could use some help figuring out their power grid, amirite?
Said it before and no backing down: I lurve my Chevy Volt (not Bolt). Battery holds about 50 miles, which is easily covering my day to day. I just plug it in at night and the on board knows to wait until the rates go down so it's ready every morning. PGE, meanwhile, gives me a special EV rate - so that's nice.
And, the tank hold about 7 gallons so when the battery runs out, it switches over to being a Prius-like hybrid with 40+ MPG for long trips - never any range anxiety.
Later, many years from now, all electric will be something we can all get behind. I'm sure all the gas stations and their companies aren't about to let their real estate or brand name go to waste. With the right infrastructure, we'll all be pulling over to get electrons instead of gas at our nearby Exxon. And we won't be reliant on pumping out the leftovers from dead dinosaurs.
Speaking of dinosaurs, folks who think there's a long term future to burning petroleum products are the good little obedient ones, still giving their dollars to Big Oil for the time being like it's patriotic to submit...
These nutcakes are the ones that scare me the most. Their delusion is being stoked daily by that big blob in Florida and it is frightening to think where it may lead. How do you turn their thinking around?
I would be more worried about all the trusting fools who bought plug in EV's and now are not allowed to use them ... because wait for it ... the grid can't handle the charging load.
.
I'll even go out on a limb and suggest that 99% are owned by good little obedient democrats.
I would be more worried about all the trusting fools who bought plug in EV's and now are not allowed to use them ... because wait for it ... the grid can't handle the charging load.
. I'll even go out on a limb and suggest that 99% are owned by good little obedient democrats.
There is some fairly large percentage (10,20, 30%, does it matter?) of people who are supporting political violence when it fits their agenda. The vast majority of these people are trump followers and it should be called out. I really don't care who does the calling.
So tell me how many cities have been torn up and burned down by Trump followers ?
I thought it was done by Trump haters not followers ...
Both parties suck; it's just that Democrats suck due to a lack of resolve and competence, and the Rethuglicans suck because they're deliberately malevolent.
Reframing: Democrats suck because they all have different ideas of what the future should look like, so they can't form a coherent logical argument for change; Republicans suck because they absolutely don't want anything to change - especially culture - so they drag everything down.
He said some republicans are being fascists and pandering to political violence. He name checked a few. We are less than 2 years from when many of these people tried to take over the capital and install an unelected leader. If people feel attacked by that message, they should double check which part of the republican party they are in. If they are fascists (or own a 'fuck your feelings' t-shirt), I don't have much trouble with them being offended. If they are reasonable people (who don't think trump won the election), then they were not the crowd being called out and they shouldn't worry.
There is some fairly large percentage (10,20, 30%, does it matter?) of people who are supporting political violence when it fits their agenda. The vast majority of these people are trump followers and it should be called out. I really don't care who does the calling.
Like I said, I agree w the sentiment,
But that was not the speech USA needed to hear.
That was a forum to heal, and not pick the wound deeper.
Further, strategically it benefited orange man.
Guess its ok, as long as the GOP started it.
again, you get the leaders you deserve
My point (and others here agree) is that Democratic leaders have tried very hard to work with GOP politicians with little to show for it. Go review Obama's efforts to pass economic rescue bills during the 2008 crisis and to pass the ACA. The GOP did not cooperate at all.
Now the GOP can't even handle reality and is hostage to an amoral nonstop liar.
If you want to scold politicians, start with the GOP. Carping about the Democrats is pretty damned silly.
