2) folks that are open minded are willing to listen to reasonable information and make a decision without clinging to an ideology that defines them. (They don't care who wins the football game as long as it's the team that plays the best.)
I'm not sure this one works. It just says that if you're open-minded, you are easily swayed.
That's my point. 1) folks that believe in the Republicans/Democrats like a religion will not be swayed. They can't. They claim they're open minded but no factual evidence will change their mind. They're done. 2) folks that are open minded are willing to listen to reasonable information and make a decision without clinging to an ideology that defines them. (They don't care who wins the football game as long as it's the team that plays the best.) 3) so anyone wishing to be heard has an obligation to be honest. Completely so.
So I don't care about the ideology. Just gimme some truth. All I want is the truth.
as cynical as I am I do belive that the majority of Americans will do the right thing if facts and only facts are presented to us in a fair manner but it does seem that this idea is getting less probable as I witness the last 16 years
This is fake news. It's unsubstantiated and a report of a report.
How fitting: it's about Trump. Hey, if Douchebag Don can lie all the time, why can't we?
I can't say Perez Hilton's any more reliable, but it's a bit late in the day to worry about reliable reporting. You're in Trumpworld now. Facts are optional.
Perhaps you'd prefer the Daily Mail's regurgitation of the touchy-feely BS spew from Trump's head of the Presidential Inauguration Committee:
I expected that second panel to refer to his taxes. Seriously, instead of caring about what he thinks of Streep or Hamilton, why aren't we being shown them?
You might see them if Douchebag Don faced any consequences for not publishing them. But I think the next four years are going to consist of Trump saying and doing whatever he wants until forced to do otherwise.
Americans saw Trump behaving just like that during the campaign and voted for him anyway. They wanted the crazy, hate-filled, sleazy narcissistic loudmouth and they got him.
Don't expect Trump to suddenly become ethical, responsible or accountable.Too bad so many people hated this past campaign: that's exactly what the next four years are going to be like.
I expected that second panel to refer to his taxes. Seriously, instead of caring about what he thinks of Streep or Hamilton, why aren't we being shown them?
re Bold: It's exactly what the party wants. They have been voting to repeal health care for years without proposing an alternative. Plenty of time to design one. They will say that they have a viable plan almost ready and vote to repeal rather than say here is a replacement and we will do it all at once. Trump isn't the problem here Paul Ryan et al. are the problem.
re Underline: No. Yes.
"Plenty of time to design one"
The Republicans have had 6-7 years to come up with an alternative; perhaps they were too busy voting 60+ times in the House to repeal all or part of the ACA. What they have now are bare outlines of alternatives; I very much doubt that they'll have a fleshed-out replacement ready when the time comes. Millions and millions of people are going to lose coverage. This issue could easily turn into a third rail, like proposals to reduce Social Security or Medicare.
He just lies. Lies and lies and lies. Right now Radio Paradise is playing The Who's "I Can See for Miles" and the refrain, "Miles and miles and miles" mashes up nicely with "I can lie for miles and miles and miles and miles.' That's all this clown does: lie. He lies and lies and lies and lies and lies.
There is absolutely no way the GOP can cobble together a health plan in anything less than a year. The process does not move faster merely because a boss somewhere wants it. This is a bill that needs approval from 320-some people (House + Senate majorities).Then it needs to be sold to the public. Are they just going to say, "Here it is, have a nice day!"??
And the Clown-Elect, OMFG. This garbage that comes out of his mouth, repeal and replace will be simultaneous, on "same day or the same week", who the FUCK does he think he is kidding? Legislation at any level, much less the US House, does not work like that.
I can only hope his own party gets sick of him so quickly they will just ignore him, but Congress has no spine.
re Bold: It's exactly what the party wants. They have been voting to repeal health care for years without proposing an alternative. Plenty of time to design one. They will say that they have a viable plan almost ready and vote to repeal rather than say here is a replacement and we will do it all at once. Trump isn't the problem here Paul Ryan et al. are the problem.
You’re gonna be very, very proud, as not only the media and reporters, you’re gonna be very proud of what we put forth having to do with health care. Obamacare is a complete and total disaster. ...
So the easiest thing would be to let it implode in ’17 and believe me, we’d get pretty much whatever we wanted, but it would take a long time. We’re going to be submitting, as soon as our secretary’s approved, almost simultaneously, shortly thereafter, a plan.
It’ll be repeal and replace. It will be essentially, simultaneously. It will be various segments, you understand, but will most likely be on the same day or the same week, but probably, the same day, could be the same hour.
He just lies. Lies and lies and lies. Right now Radio Paradise is playing The Who's "I Can See for Miles" and the refrain, "Miles and miles and miles" mashes up nicely with "I can lie for miles and miles and miles and miles.' That's all this clown does: lie. He lies and lies and lies and lies and lies.
There is absolutely no way the GOP can cobble together a health plan in anything less than a year. The process does not move faster merely because a boss somewhere wants it. This is a bill that needs approval from 320-some people (House + Senate majorities). Then it needs to be sold to the public. Are they just going to say, "Here it is, have a nice day!"??
And the Clown-Elect, OMFG. This garbage that comes out of his mouth, repeal and replace will be simultaneous, on "same day or the same week", who the FUCK does he think he is kidding? Legislation at any level, much less the US House, does not work like that.
I can only hope his own party gets sick of him so quickly they will just ignore him, but Congress has no spine.
There is some truth to that, but the degree is different here, as is the scope. Yes, lofty, general promises are made on the campaign trail that do not come to anything close to full fruition — e.g., I am going to change the culture in Washington; I will work across the aisle and bring unity; I will be completely transparent; I will spur the economy, bring jobs; etc. And there have been specific promises that were voiced, and not realized, for whatever reasons — e.g., I will close Guantanamo.. Here, though, we had a candidate and now have a President-elect who is prone to say things for which his supporters say he should not be held accountable for even saying, much less failing to do. This has been Trump's political stock in trade: Obama should produce his birth certificate to prove he was not born in Kenya; Ted Cruz's father may have been involved with Oswald in the assassination of JFK; Cruz is not eligible to be President because born in Canada; Mexico will pay for the wall; I will prosecute Hillary as soon as I take office.
Thank you. Exactly right.
Just read Paul Krugman's piece on Trump's repeal of the ACA , and wow is it scary. Krugman's points out that the GOP replacement of the ACA doesn't really exist yet and will take months to take even the barest shape. Yet Trump promised in his last press conference to have that replacement enacted almost immediately after the repeal of the ACA.
Trump lies all the time to almost everyone—including himself.
You’re gonna be very, very proud, as not only the media and reporters, you’re gonna be very proud of what we put forth having to do with health care. Obamacare is a complete and total disaster.
...
So the easiest thing would be to let it implode in ’17 and believe me, we’d get pretty much whatever we wanted, but it would take a long time. We’re going to be submitting, as soon as our secretary’s approved, almost simultaneously, shortly thereafter, a plan.
It’ll be repeal and replace. It will be essentially, simultaneously. It will be various segments, you understand, but will most likely be on the same day or the same week, but probably, the same day, could be the same hour.
Krugman had this to say about the repeal of the ACA, an action that will strip health care coverage from tens of millions of Americans:
And if the Affordable Care Act is killed, myths about its costs will be replaced by the reality of soaring bills for millions of Americans who don’t realize how much the act has helped them.
But won’t Trumpcare solve all these problems, by offering something much better and cheaper? Not a chance.
Republicans don’t have a health care plan, but they do have a philosophy — and it’s all about less. Less regulation, so that insurers can turn you down if you have a pre-existing condition. Less government support, so if you can’t afford coverage, too bad. And less coverage in general: Republican ideas about cost control are all about “skin in the game,” requiring people to pay more out of pocket (which somehow doesn’t stop them from complaining about high deductibles).
Implementing this philosophy would deliver a big windfall to the wealthy, who would get a huge tax cut from Obamacare repeal, and it would mean lower premiums for a relatively small number of currently healthy individuals — especially if they’re rich enough that they don’t need to worry about high deductibles.
But the idea that it would lead to big cost savings over all is pure fantasy, and it would have a devastating effect on the millions who have gained coverage during the Obama years.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Jan 13, 2017 - 12:42pm
miamizsun wrote:
this is true with every president
the masses fall for the campaign rhetoric
belief without evidence = politics
people could care less about process whether it's legal, legitimate or sustainable
good stories and free stuff win elections
they seek the end result at practically any cost
it's easy to convince them, especially when they're not paying
regards
There is some truth to that, but the degree is different here, as is the scope. Yes, lofty, general promises are made on the campaign trail that do not come to anything close to full fruition — e.g., I am going to change the culture in Washington; I will work across the aisle and bring unity; I will be completely transparent; I will spur the economy, bring jobs; etc. And there have been specific promises that were voiced, and not realized, for whatever reasons — e.g., I will close Guantanamo.. Here, though, we had a candidate and now have a President-elect who is prone to say things for which his supporters say he should not be held accountable for even saying, much less failing to do. This has been Trump's political stock in trade: Obama should produce his birth certificate to prove he was not born in Kenya; Ted Cruz's father may have been involved with Oswald in the assassination of JFK; Cruz is not eligible to be President because born in Canada; Mexico will pay for the wall; I will prosecute Hillary as soon as I take office.
