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NoEnzLefttoSplit
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kurtster wrote: I don't think that anyone is willing to lie to save Trump at this juncture. And the simple revelation of on offer of this sort would clearly land Trump in the slammer. Conversely at this point, those cooperating with Mueller have an incentive to lie about what Trump did to save their own skin. Not saying that anyone is, but it would be nearly impossible for Trump to prove that anyone has lied about what Trump actually did or did not do in order to save their own skin.
Let's say that someone makes the claim that they were offered a pardon in advance for lying to save Trump. How could that be proved to be a lie ? I'll also go out on a limb and say that I'm pretty sure that someone will actually say that. Predictable and only a matter of time now.
Your blind faith in this guy borders on religion. Can't you see you are already covering his back for a situation that you know is going to develop because, yeah, well because Trump is like he is. By doing so you profess more faith in his person and his personality than you do for the checks and balances that are meant to keep the place running on an even keel in the first place. If you are looking for a good book, try Mario and the Magician from Thomas Mann. Written in 1929. Describes this kind of demagoguery to a T.
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kurtster
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kcar wrote:
Trump could offer pardons to those facing federal criminal charges in return for their lying to protect Trump from prosecution.
Trump can't pardon those facing state criminal charges, however.
I don't think that anyone is willing to lie to save Trump at this juncture. And the simple revelation of on offer of this sort would clearly land Trump in the slammer. Conversely at this point, those cooperating with Mueller have an incentive to lie about what Trump did to save their own skin. Not saying that anyone is, but it would be nearly impossible for Trump to prove that anyone has lied about what Trump actually did or did not do in order to save their own skin. Let's say that someone makes the claim that they were offered a pardon in advance for lying to save Trump. How could that be proved to be a lie ? I'll also go out on a limb and say that I'm pretty sure that someone will actually say that. Predictable and only a matter of time now.
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Steely_D
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Dec 1, 2017 - 8:30pm |
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islander wrote: No, Karma at its finest would be a Russian operative releasing a hacked email from Kushner to Ivana saying that they had a great meeting between her Dad and the Russian envoy.
"...and it's really great that Hillary wasn't elected because she could've prevented it all."
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kcar
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Dec 1, 2017 - 7:54pm |
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kurtster wrote: Yeah, Trump is gonna pardon those who turn against him, get him impeached and / or locked up behind bars.
Can I have some of what yer smoking ?
Trump could offer pardons to those facing federal criminal charges in return for their lying to protect Trump from prosecution. Trump can't pardon those facing state criminal charges, however.
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kurtster
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Dec 1, 2017 - 7:32pm |
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ScottN wrote: When will the discussion of pardons resume?
Yeah, Trump is gonna pardon those who turn against him, get him impeached and / or locked up behind bars. Can I have some of what yer smoking ?
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Dec 1, 2017 - 7:14pm |
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Red_Dragon wrote:Donnie Johnnie is being uncharacteristically quiet on Twitter today.
When will the discussion of pardons resume?
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Dec 1, 2017 - 3:31pm |
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Michael Flynn’s Guilty Plea: 10 Key TakeawaysHarry Litman (@harrlitman), a former United States attorney and deputy assistant attorney general, teaches at the University of California, Los Angeles, Law School and practices law at Constantine Cannon.
The repercussions of the plea will be months in the making, but it’s not an exaggeration to say that the events to which Mr. Flynn has agreed to testify will take their place in the history books alongside the Watergate and Iran-contra scandals. We’re in new — and highly inflammatory — territory. Here are 10 immediate takeaways from today’s news.
This is not a meet-in-the-middle deal.Both sides did not assess their risks and decide to hedge them with a compromise. Rather, as we’ve known for weeks, the special counsel, Robert Mueller, believed he had sufficient evidence to indict Mr. Flynn on a long list of criminal charges, including money laundering, tax offense and false statements. Mr. Mueller’s team, as is standard prosecutorial practice, presented Mr. Flynn with that list and helped him understand that his life as he knew it had ended. This is much bigger than Paul Manafort.Mr. Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, has been indicted, but this is a plea, and Mr. Flynn’s cooperation — the real goal of bringing criminal charges — has been secured. This puts Mr. Flynn in the same camp as George Papadopoulos, the campaign adviser who pleaded guilty to making false statements to the F.B.I. on Oct. 5 and is also cooperating with the investigation. Unlike Mr. Papadopoulos, though, Mr. Flynn was a top adviser who was at the center of communication with Russia as well as the potential obstruction of justice by President Trump in seeking to shut down the Flynn investigation itself. Mr. Flynn was considered as a running mate and reportedly stayed quite close to the president even after being forced out of the administration in February. Mr. Flynn has just become the prosecution’s star witness...The charge Mr. Flynn is pleading guilty to is a stunning one... It seems Mr. Trump himself directed Mr. Flynn to make contact with the Russians during the campaign.If Mr. Flynn testifies to this — ABC’s Brian Ross is reporting that he will — it presents another impeachable offense along with the possible obstruction of justice. Even more, it brings the whole matter well outside the purview of the criminal courts into the province of a political scandal, indicating abuses of power arguably well beyond those in the Watergate and Iran-contra affairs. Mr. Flynn asked Russia to intervene at the United Nations on behalf of Israel...The lying is bad. Conducting rogue American foreign policy is worse... Mr. Flynn’s cooperation portends extreme peril for a variety of people in the president’s orbit. Most immediately vulnerable? Jared Kushner. Mr. Flynn was present at a Dec. 1, 2016, Trump Tower meeting where Mr. Kushner is said to have proposed to Mr. Kislyak setting up a back channel for the transition team to communicate with Moscow. Those and related details are now front and center in the investigation. Criminal liability aside, Friday’s news — including a report that Mr. Kushner was the one who directed Mr. Flynn to contact Russia — helps cement Mr. Kushner’s reputation as a callow and arrogant freelancer, authorized by the president to act way over his head, and possibly impairing some of the most delicate and important issues of foreign policy. (A possible winner, on the other hand, is the younger Mike Flynn, about whose criminal liability his father was extremely concerned. Look to see how Mr. Mueller now chooses to treat the younger Mr. Flynn, who is being investigated over his work for his father’s lobbying business.) Mr. Flynn’s plea raises the likelihood that he will give testimony in support of a potential obstruction of justice charge against Mr. Trump.The basis for the possible obstruction charge against the president has been his efforts to get the F.B.I. director, James Comey, to shut down the Flynn investigation during a Feb. 14 meeting in the Oval Office, coupled with his multiple lies on the subject. Obstruction is plainly an impeachable offense: It’s the offense for which Richard Nixon was threatened with impeachment... Mr. Trump’s defenders have fewer and fewer cards to play...
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Dec 1, 2017 - 10:29am |
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Red_Dragon
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Dec 1, 2017 - 10:26am |
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Donnie Johnnie is being uncharacteristically quiet on Twitter today.
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islander
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Dec 1, 2017 - 10:19am |
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VV wrote: How ironic that the man Trump was trying to protect... which triggered a series of events that lead to this point... may now be responsible for helping to bring Trump down.
Karma at its finest,
No, Karma at its finest would be a Russian operative releasing a hacked email from Kushner to Ivana saying that they had a great meeting between her Dad and the Russian envoy.
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VV
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Dec 1, 2017 - 9:51am |
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aflanigan wrote: How ironic that the man Trump was trying to protect... which triggered a series of events that lead to this point... may now be responsible for helping to bring Trump down. Karma at its finest,
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Red_Dragon
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Dec 1, 2017 - 9:51am |
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Proclivities
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Dec 1, 2017 - 9:46am |
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VV wrote:One question I have is how much Pence knew about this. He‘s been flying under the radar for a number of weeks now. I haven’t seen him in the news or mentioned in any articles in a while. Historically, it seems that VPs have been pretty much left out of a lot of the loop, but that changed with Vice-President Cheney. History isn't what it used to be, especially now. Anyhow, until (or unless) Flynn actually does testify to these things he's "prepared" to testify to, I'll reserve any other speculation.
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VV
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Dec 1, 2017 - 9:40am |
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islander wrote: You forgot his go to defense that has a 100% success rate (so far) - "Did not".
One question I have is how much Pence knew about this. He‘s been flying under the radar for a number of weeks now. I haven’t seen him in the news or mentioned in any articles in a while.
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islander
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Dec 1, 2017 - 9:32am |
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VV wrote: Boom!
I wonder if Trump meant to say that his presidency would be over by the end of the year rather than the investigation?
So sad for all the little Trumpkins...
Christmas does come early sometimes.
You forgot his go to defense that has a 100% success rate (so far) - "Did not".
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Dec 1, 2017 - 9:28am |
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aflanigan wrote: Boom! I wonder if Trump meant to say that his presidency would be over by the end of the year rather than the investigation? So sad for all the little Trumpkins... Christmas does come early sometimes.
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Dec 1, 2017 - 9:11am |
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meower
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Dec 1, 2017 - 9:06am |
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Dec 1, 2017 - 9:04am |
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islander
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Dec 1, 2017 - 7:37am |
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Steely_D wrote: That is the charges, I want to see what they have on him that they are not charging him with. Something along the lines of "in exchange for testimony about the X,Y and Z acts against the integrity of our elections and sovereignty of our nation, we will only charge you with these two little fibs to the FBI, We reserve the right to at some future date to bring the hammer down if you become an intransigent asshat."
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