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Tori Amos — Father Lucifer
Album: Boys For Pele
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Total ratings: 596









Released: 1997
Length: 3:36
Plays (last 30 days): 1
Father Lucifer you never looked so sane
You always did prefer the drizzle to the rain
Tell me that you're still in love with that milkmaid
How's the Lizzies? How's your Jesus Christ been hanging?

Nothing's gonna stop me from floating
Nothing's gonna stop me from floating

He says he reckons I'm a watercolour stain
He says I run and then I run from him and then I run
He didn't see me watching from the aeroplane
He wiped a tear and then he threw away our apple seed

Nothing's gonna stop me from floating
Nothing's gonna stop me from floating
Can't go away

Every day is my wedding day
Though baby's still in his comatose state
I'll dye my own Easter eggs
Don't go yet just don't go
And Beenie lost the sunset but that's okay
Does Joe bring flowers to Marilyn's grave?
And girls that eat pizza
And never gain weight
And never gain weight
And never gain weight

Father Lucifer you never looked so sane
You always did prefer the drizzle to the rain
Tell me that you're still in love with that milkmaid
How's the Lizzies? How's your Jesus Christ been hanging?
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 Chimpmeister wrote:
 
 
definitely agree!
One Tori Amos's singing is fine, but a bunch of overdubbed Tori Amos's at different pitches is a real assault on the ears.
Absolutely awful like most of Tori's stuff.
I died during this song. It was worth it.
 ycb661 wrote:
This song makes want to attack the embassy of whichever country Tori Amos is from.
 

I wish I had been witty enough to say that....
What the hell? I rather like this and see that all the more sophisticated listeners find it revolting. I will choose not to overanalyze the song.
Good but she just feels like a Kate wanna be to me.
Respect for Tori... 

In my opinion, few women have blazed trails as musically rich and deep. I love her work.
Gimme a "P"!

Gimme a "S"!

Gimme a "D"!
 Grammarcop wrote:
That piano riff makes me want to sing,

"This is the Army, Mr. Jones..."
 
I keep hearing - Ding dong the witched witch is dead, which old witch? The witched witch!
 gatorade wrote:
All I hear is a whining child.
 
I'm getting that too, albeit from an entirely different source.
I appreciate the artistry. But like Norah Jones, Chris Isaak, Arcade What's On Fire, Radiohead, Kate Bush and multiple others, I remain unmoved and often annoyed. Next. 
Appalling. 
Nooooo. This makes my head explode. All I hear is a whining child. Make it stop. {#Stop}
 FluorideFreeMN wrote:

And for my taste, I never "got" Kate Bush but really enjoy Tori's sound.
 
And to round out the party, I love them both, differently but equally.
AHHHHHHHH its the DAILY TORI NIGHTMARE!

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 
Where's the suckling pig?
 OHMish wrote:
Love Kate Bush. Not Tori Amos

 
And for my taste, I never "got" Kate Bush but really enjoy Tori's sound.
That piano riff makes me want to sing,

"This is the Army, Mr. Jones..."
I like her sportin' that rifle.  That's a good American girl.
 Elroweho wrote:
Can you say "Fingernails on a chalkboard"? {#Cry}

 
Yep!{#Frustrated}
love that cover, the tune?
I bought this album in Amsterdam when traveling around Europe on the train with friends when I was 16.  I am never able to separate the music from the memories, so in my opinion this is one of the greatest albums EVER!
 OHMish wrote:
Love Kate Bush. Not Tori Amos

 
she wants so badly to be Kate. Ain't gonna happen.
Love Kate Bush. Not Tori Amos
Jeez, that started out okay, but when we got to the cats' yowling part... 
I was really expecting a higher rating for this song ? 9 for me.
Love this song!  Amazing production and lovely voice.  It will always remind me of driving on a mid-western highway through the rain.
 Elroweho wrote:
Can you say "Fingernails on a chalkboard"? {#Cry}

 
Exactly!
squeaky, swakky, squack, squeak,  plink on the piano.    sing squeaky again. 
Can you say "Fingernails on a chalkboard"? {#Cry}
Um...no.
Brutal. This is no way to start my spring break.
{#Eh}
{#Naughty}  Make it stop... make it stop....
 ycb661 wrote:
This song makes want to attack the embassy of whichever country Tori Amos is from.
 
I'm sure the CIA would be delighted to be informed of that.
 ycb661 wrote:
This song makes want to attack the embassy of whichever country Tori Amos is from.
 
Oh, the total opposite here. The (very brilliant) album this song is from was on my earphones in heavy rotation while flying over the atlantic ocean to her homeland. I was so looking forward spending a year and a bit there.

I think she resides in the UK for over a decade now? Maybe you want to attack the other embassy now?

Silly act. Nonetheless. 
This song makes want to attack the embassy of whichever country Tori Amos is from.
I feel a little bit better knowing there's artists like Tori Amos in the world pissing off the armchair music critics. I think she probably enjoys knowing that too.
 fookmyoldboots wrote:

Nicely put Trustocity
 
Its good to see Christians looking for the grace in art but its great to see them express it {#Wave}
I think I'll try to write a song (title anyway) that creates controversy along w/ an edgy album cover...FAIL...zzzzzzzzzzzz
 On_The_Beach wrote:
"Next one o' you varmints sez I sound like warmed-over Kate Bush is gonna eat lead!"
 
Tori is good, but she ain't no Kate Bush.
 Danimal174 wrote:
One of the best songs on this album, in my opinion.
 
Love it too!
"Next one o' you varmints sez I sound like warmed-over Kate Bush is gonna eat lead!"
 ThePoose wrote:
So many women singers owe a huge debt to Kate Bush.
 

...trace that far enough back and a lot of women singers owe a huge debt to syd barrett's foray with hallucinogens...
 ThePoose wrote:
So many women singers owe a huge debt to Kate Bush.
 
Esp this one.
 Hannio wrote:


Glock, I figured you would have appreciated her holding the gun, at least.  But yeah, the leg is really nasty.
  The words "Glock" and "gun" certainly belong in the same sentence.


So many women singers owe a huge debt to Kate Bush.
 Trustocity wrote:
This message isn't for tg3k but for anyone else who might resonate with what I'm about to say. Speaking as a Christian, not on behalf of them, I'll tell you that Christians are at their worst when we allow our selfish need to be right to drive our desire to save the souls of others. It's an either/or situation, a conflict of interests. If you ever sense a Christian trying to "sell" you something, just walk away. Tg3k is spot-on to say that he recognizes truth in Christian teachings but despises brow-beating. Salvation is, in part, a choice between covering your own ass or looking out for the asses of others. I happen to know a hundred "liberals" who care more deeply for the unfortunate and needy than a lot of the Christians I've known. If you're that liberal, I'd like you to consider, just for a moment, that you are closer to accepting Christ than you think. Tori is definitely in that boat. I had the same violent reaction every Christian does to the title "Father Lucifer," moreso because I'm probably the biggest Tori fanatic in the entire evangelical congregation. It's obvious, if you take the time to listen, that Tori is using a wildly antagonistic metaphor to say not that she loves Satan but that God, as represented by the psychotic televangelists and their throng, is not looking so cogent these days. The song is a question, not a statement. To the Christians in the audience, I say, try listening at least as often as you speak — see if that opens your mind at all. Just a thought. (shrug)
 
Nicely put Trustocity
 Glockman45 wrote:
oh my god someone please chop my head off!

and about the cover art, she is NOT attractive and I wish she would put her leg down it really smells!

is that raw sewage drain off at the top of her leg or is she just happy to see me?
 

Glock, I figured you would have appreciated her holding the gun, at least.  But yeah, the leg is really nasty.
moving from 3 to 1.  

 stubbsz wrote:
I can't believe my co-workers told me to "turn that god-awful crap down".
 
Laptopdog wrote:
I can.
"She's a witch!!! May we burn her?!!"
 

inindian wrote:
I can too believe they told you to turn the god-awful crap down. And hey, it's halloween, a good time to burn her!

I like Tori and think she is an exceptional artist and musician, but she misfired here. Some of the backing vocal is off key and the horns are horrible in the mix. Whether intentional or not, it's ugly musically; I do give her props for trying for an unusual sound. As to the lyrics and such, I can't even get that far past the musical cacophony in this tune.
What a love/hate reaction this woman inspires! Personally, I LOVE her. beautiful... 10! xoxo
At least this song delivers 3 or 4 pathetic sob-sighs to give warning of what's to come, allowing me to change stations. It would be good if she provided a similar Early Warning System on all of her songs (in case the piano doesn't provide enough of a clue).
The last run of this song came immediately before Dave Brubeck's Blue Rondo a la Turk.  Talk about a clash.  Horrible screeching vs solid jazz piano.  It's almost an insult to Brubeck.
Ugh.  No more Tori, please.  Don't get me wrong — I really liked "Little Earthquakes."  But mostly her vocal style drives me insane.  Nails on a chalkboard.  
One of the best songs on this album, in my opinion.
stubbsz wrote:
I can't believe my co-workers told me to "turn that god-awful crap down".
I can. "She's a witch!!! May we burn her?!!" :angel:
Wow! First time I've heard this .. delicious lyrics.
oh my god someone please chop my head off! and about the cover art, she is NOT attractive and I wish she would put her leg down it really smells! is that raw sewage drain off at the top of her leg or is she just happy to see me?
...So we're all agreed , then? COMMENTS pages = musical value, quirky comments, helpful hints/ info about artists/songs. PERSONAL PRAYER LIFE = The rest of the world, 'cause it needs it. We can be concerned, but don't VOICE that concern....here, even if we are appalled. btw, Tori....truly don't like her "style", Song....deplorable, a 1. Ain't open communication a wonderful thing?
tg3k wrote:
And don't tell me what Christ loves or hates. Those are your beliefs/opinions, and they are encroaching on my beliefs/opinions. You are fully entitled to have yours, but you have no business even trying to affect mine..
But you've just encroached on his belief that he must tell you what Christ loves or hates. There is no neutral position--no, not even silence is neutral--so why don't we all just get along.
tg3k wrote:
Guess what? Wrong 'pulpit'. This is a comments board regarding songs, not regarding one's own personal convictions or lack thereof. Many "Christians" (or proponents of any other religion) are blind to the fact that others have made the decision to think otherwise. Open your heart (and mind) to that. And don't tell me what Christ loves or hates. Those are your beliefs/opinions, and they are encroaching on my beliefs/opinions. You are fully entitled to have yours, but you have no business even trying to affect mine. In general, I agree with Christian principals and morals, but I despise people who tell me how to think or feel, regardless of their honorable intentions. Oh, and this song is a 3...and I'm not a Tori hater; it's just not her best work IMHO.
This message isn't for tg3k but for anyone else who might resonate with what I'm about to say. Speaking as a Christian, not on behalf of them, I'll tell you that Christians are at their worst when we allow our selfish need to be right to drive our desire to save the souls of others. It's an either/or situation, a conflict of interests. If you ever sense a Christian trying to "sell" you something, just walk away. Tg3k is spot-on to say that he recognizes truth in Christian teachings but despises brow-beating. Salvation is, in part, a choice between covering your own ass or looking out for the asses of others. I happen to know a hundred "liberals" who care more deeply for the unfortunate and needy than a lot of the Christians I've known. If you're that liberal, I'd like you to consider, just for a moment, that you are closer to accepting Christ than you think. Tori is definitely in that boat. I had the same violent reaction every Christian does to the title "Father Lucifer," moreso because I'm probably the biggest Tori fanatic in the entire evangelical congregation. It's obvious, if you take the time to listen, that Tori is using a wildly antagonistic metaphor to say not that she loves Satan but that God, as represented by the psychotic televangelists and their throng, is not looking so cogent these days. The song is a question, not a statement. To the Christians in the audience, I say, try listening at least as often as you speak -- see if that opens your mind at all. Just a thought. (shrug)
Tori Amos sounds like she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown most of the time.
trekhead wrote:
Guess what? Wrong 'Religion'. Christ loves US , he hates the SIN. Open your heart to that.
Guess what? Wrong 'pulpit'. This is a comments board regarding songs, not regarding one's own personal convictions or lack thereof. Many "Christians" (or proponents of any other religion) are blind to the fact that others have made the decision to think otherwise. Open your heart (and mind) to that. And don't tell me what Christ loves or hates. Those are your beliefs/opinions, and they are encroaching on my beliefs/opinions. You are fully entitled to have yours, but you have no business even trying to affect mine. In general, I agree with Christian principals and morals, but I despise people who tell me how to think or feel, regardless of their honorable intentions. Oh, and this song is a 3...and I'm not a Tori hater; it's just not her best work IMHO.
Say what you will about tori, I just read through the posts here and any music that can trigger such passionate discussion must be good for something. I don't personally dig her, but I can't help but respect her honesty and talent. On a side note, Marley, this "philosophy" that preaches hate~are you referring to Christianity? B/c if you are, you're wrong. That's a mighty big generalization. FUNDAMENTALISTS may practice that, but honest Christians do not. I was born and raised in the south, and I unlike those who have never lived there, know that to be fact. Any religion has facets of it that are shameful, but it's no reason to discount everyone that follows it.
What's up with all the wack jobs on this thread? :yell: Sheesh... lighten up people. :fight: I'm an Agnostic Republican... I love Tori... I love Rage Against The Machine... Ani DiFranco... Pearl Jam... John Lennon... Neil Young... Beastie Boys... and I love RP. If I listened to only artists that agreed with my views... I'd shoot myself. :frustrated: I don't give a shit that Bill disagrees with my politics, he's got a 1st ammendment right and a vehical for his speech. I DO care that he plays great music. :drummer: :guitarist: It's all just a bunch of music so shut up and listen. :-# If you don't want to listen... don't. :stupid: Jesus, people are sensitive :wink:
Bill_Kunsler wrote:
i agree. shine yer flashlight in yer own eyes mate. not everybody is searching. by the way, hasn't religious ideology and/or religious superiority been at the core of almost every major war, either fundamentally or superficially as justification?
Nope. Avowed atheist Josef Stalin: at least 30 million dead to his credit. Avowed atheist Vladmir Lenin: at least 500,000 to his credit. The explicitly secular French Revolution gave us the guillotine, the Jacobins and Robespierre. Avowed atheist Pol Pot accounts for 1 million dead Cambodians and Vietnamese. Raging pagan (he loved those Wagnerian operas for a reason) Adolf Hitler accounts for about 10 million dead.
colt4x5 wrote:
shut your flashlight off. only thing i'm searching for is a way to get you to leave me alone. i don't listen to infomercials. i don't listen to tv evangelists. i don't want you to tell me i'm searching, because you don't have a clue, and your touchy-feely-xtian thing doesn't do anything for me. i do have a fondness for street-corner preachers, as they frequently make more sense than mainstream ones, but i ain't gonna sign up with anyone. in fact, this would be me signing off.
i agree. shine yer flashlight in yer own eyes mate. not everybody is searching. by the way, hasn't religious ideology and/or religious superiority been at the core of almost every major war, either fundamentally or superficially as justification?
Tori's a great musician who is otherwise seriously confused.
trekhead wrote:
Honestly, not trying to JAM anything here... Sorry if Marley , or anyone feels that way. Consider it shining a flashlight to help someone stumbling to see the way...People are obviously searching.
shut your flashlight off. only thing i'm searching for is a way to get you to leave me alone. i don't listen to infomercials. i don't listen to tv evangelists. i don't want you to tell me i'm searching, because you don't have a clue, and your touchy-feely-xtian thing doesn't do anything for me. i do have a fondness for street-corner preachers, as they frequently make more sense than mainstream ones, but i ain't gonna sign up with anyone. in fact, this would be me signing off.
I don't know if anyone (save maybe Dylan) gets so much negative feedback on this station as Tori. People can't seem to separate her from her music. I've heard people dismiss Springsteen's political views in lieu of his music, and religion is as political as it gets. She's not trying to convert anybody, man, and you can't write off everything that she does as crap. If you don't like her, don't listen to her, but just take it easy, man. Would you just take it easy, man. and no, I'm not a satanist or a physicsgenius, I'm just an eclectic music fan.
trekhead wrote:
Honestly, not trying to JAM anything here... Songs like this only help to confuse matters.
Yup, your way is right, everyone elses is wrong. Muslims are wrong, Buddhists are wrong, Wiccans are wrong. We bow to your superior knowledge and are happy you are saved.
8) :twisted: (one of her better songs... nice horns & piano)
Joyfulchristine wrote:
Hey Trekhead, back off. I'm a Christian, too, but Marley already said how tired she was of getting preaching jammed down her throat. Even though we feel like it might be nice sometimes to be able open someone's head or heart with a can opener and put in the thoughts we want, that's not our job. Get my drift?
Honestly, not trying to JAM anything here... Sorry if Marley , or anyone feels that way. Consider it shining a flashlight to help someone stumbling to see the way...People are obviously searching. Songs like this only help to confuse matters.
trekhead wrote:
Guess what? Wrong 'Religion'. Christ loves US , he hates the SIN. Open your heart to that. (sorry) this should have gone to marley.
Hey Trekhead, back off. I'm a Christian, too, but Marley already said how tired she was of getting preaching jammed down her throat. Even though we feel like it might be nice sometimes to be able open someone's head or heart with a can opener and put in the thoughts we want, that's not our job. Get my drift?
trekhead wrote:
Ironic(?) that there is a track entitled, " Muhammad, my friend" on this album. Why do some preacher's kids get so whacked out? Acceptance of The Truth shouldn't be THAT tough! Father Lucifer, indeed! A 1. She is deplorable.
won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?!
fitz368 wrote:
Amen
Guess what? Wrong 'Religion'. Christ loves US , he hates the SIN. Open your heart to that. (sorry) this should have gone to marley.
Marley wrote:
And acceptance of WHAT truth? Hate, bigotry, judgementalism, and a lack of tolerance, love and understanding? I thought Jesus stood for love, tolerance and turning the other cheek. Looking at the actions of most folks with "religion" , I guess I was wrong. I think judgemental religious types are deplorable. In Oregon we're voting on measure 37-the constitutional amendment on marriage to be a man and women. I am deeply saddened everytime I see someone with a bumper sticker or yard sign promoting this measure. It's only Christians who are in support of this admendment, and fortunately, most of Portland is intellegent enought to vote it down. I, myself, have turned Pagan-I cannot support a philosophy that preaches hate.
Amen
trekhead wrote:
Ironic(?) that there is a track entitled, " Muhammad, my friend" on this album. Why do some preacher's kids get so whacked out? .
Maybe it's because having years of hate, judgementalism, "morals" and intolerance shoved down your throat for so many years does that to you. I worked in a place where there were a lot of hard-core Christians and I was subjected to hear their hate talk about gays, a women's right to choose and about anyone who was different to them or who chose a different lifestyle. I find that kind of lack of understanding and judementalism intolerable and I quit my job so I wouldn't have to be around people like that anymore. I mean seriously, why do you guys think that only you are right?? trekhead wrote:
Acceptance of The Truth shouldn't be THAT tough! Father Lucifer, indeed! A 1. She is deplorable.
And acceptance of WHAT truth? Hate, bigotry, judgementalism, and a lack of tolerance, love and understanding? I thought Jesus stood for love, tolerance and turning the other cheek. Looking at the actions of most folks with "religion" , I guess I was wrong. I think judgemental religious types are deplorable. In Oregon we're voting on measure 37-the constitutional amendment on marriage to be a man and women. I am deeply saddened everytime I see someone with a bumper sticker or yard sign promoting this measure. It's only Christians who are in support of this admendment, and fortunately, most of Portland is intellegent enought to vote it down. I, myself, have turned Pagan-I cannot support a philosophy that preaches hate.
I can't believe my co-workers told me to "turn that god-awful crap down".
8)
Ironic(?) that there is a track entitled, " Muhammad, my friend" on this album. Why do some preacher's kids get so whacked out? Acceptance of The Truth shouldn't be THAT tough! Father Lucifer, indeed! A 1. She is deplorable.
pixidrizzl wrote:
Your attempt at insulting Ms. Amos by referring to what she does as "musical tampons" just reinforces how I feel - Many women depend on her music.
:whip:
I think Tori often reaches a little too hard for lyrics, but she is great at pouring emotion around her paino core. I guess that is all part of not being a cornflake girl....
A little too weird and, given that, MUCH too long.
I love Tori. But I always skip this song on the cd. I don't think it's the best way to convince anyone that Tori does have some incredible songs. :(
Platypus wrote:
near perfect.
Like poo is near perfect
dmax wrote:
I worship Kate Bush. I adore Jane Siberry. Joni Mitchell is a goddess. Will no one stop this infernal caterwauling?
My very first negative comment on rp. Alas, I must say I agree. She is not even in the same solar system as Jane, et al.
dmax wrote:
I worship Kate Bush. I adore Jane Siberry. Joni Mitchell is a goddess. Will no one stop this infernal caterwauling?
You're right, of course, but as catwailing goes, this isn't that bad. I'm not a Tori fan, but I like this song.
Love the music because I cant understand the lyrics. I love you Tori, and your piano
beelzebubba wrote:
Tori Amos: the creator of musical tampons.
Boy you just keep 'em comin', Beelz. Makes one wish we could list all of a member's song comments in one volume. :rolleyes:
I had to look up the lyrics to see if I could make anything of what I was hearing. The title well.. gee wiz... guess confused.
beelzebubba wrote:
Tori Amos: the creator of musical tampons.
Oh, and being a avid user of tampons I have to say that I hope I never have to know a day when they don't exist. In other words, your attempt at insulting Ms. Amos by referring to what she does as "musical tampons" just reinforces how I feel - Many women depend on her music.
I really, really love this song. I'm really happy to hear it here. :nodhead:
beelzebubba wrote:
Tori Amos: the creator of musical tampons.
Damn! outclevered again! I like my darkness served up with humor as well. Tori feels all anger to my ear. Going to Creamy Radio https://www.thecreamygoodness.com/radio/radio.shtml , smell 'ya later.
dmax wrote:
I worship Kate Bush. I adore Jane Siberry. Joni Mitchell is a goddess. Will no one stop this infernal caterwauling?
apparently not ... :(
Don't get me wrong, I really like Tori, but her vocals on this are annoying. Her piano as always, is wonderful. I should say that I discovered her music after this album.
near perfect.
AGGGGGHHHHHHH god i wish she would just go away
I worship Kate Bush. I adore Jane Siberry. Joni Mitchell is a goddess. Will no one stop this infernal caterwauling?
scary title but I have to admit I like it :-$ ...it was great live also
Coppertop wrote:
Somewhat like Jane Siberry too.
Yet I like Jane Siberry whereas I just muted this.
Tori Amos: the creator of musical tampons.
Most Excellent! For those that liked Little Earthquakes but hated Boys for Pele and Choir, pick up Scarlet's Walk...you will dig it. S
Somewhat like Jane Siberry too.
uhh.. this isn't so great. the screeching bird noises don't please me any. yes - i'm a tori hater.
Kate Bush did it just soooo much better sooo many years before...Tell us something we don't know Tori....ZZZzzzzzzzzzz.
:hearteyes:
one of my favorite tori songs. I always like the horns in this.
Somebody doesn't like Tori too well. Rated this song a 1 before it had hardly even started. Wasn't me I was checking to see what others had thought about it.
I love this song! :notworthy: