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Tori Amos — Pancake
Album: Scarlet's Walk
Avg rating:
6.6

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Total ratings: 599









Released: 2002
Length: 3:54
Plays (last 30 days): 1
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I'm not sure who's fooling who here
As I'm watching your decay
We both know you could deflate
A seven hurricane

Seems like you and your tribe
Decided you'd rewrite the law
Segregate the mind
From body, from soul

You give me yours, I'll give you mine
'Cause I can look your god right in the eye
You give me yours, I'll give you mine
You used to look my god right in the eye ''(here)''

I believe in defending
In what we once stood for
It seems in vogue
To be a closet misogynist homophobe

A change of course in our direction
A dash of truth spread thinly
Like a flag on a pop star
On a Benzodiazapene

You give me yours, I'll give you mine
'Cause I can look your god right in the eye
You give me yours, I'll give you mine
You used to look my god right in the eye ''(here)''

Oh Zion please remove your glove
And dispel every trace
Of his spoken word
That has lodged in my vortex

I'm not sure who's fooling who here
As I'm watching our decay
We both know you could deflate
A seven hurricane

You could have spared her, oh but no
Messiahs need people dying in their name
You could have spared her, oh but no
Messiahs need people dying in their name
You say, "I ordered you a pancake"
You say, "I ordered you a pancake"
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 SuperWeh wrote:

some people complain about comments they don't like, some people complain about music they don't like.
 
Quite honestly, I generally enjoy the negative comments, even for tracks I love. What I don't like is when people insist that the track be removed or whatever - just skip forward! It's fine that you don't like a track, fine that you let everyone know why (that's a valid conversation) but don't deny the taste and desires of others.
This one definitely gave the need to have her complete work.
she is so special.
"Most excellent", Tori!  As rated.
Can't take the vocal fryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Love everything Tori Amos!
 suej wrote:
I've always loved Tori Amos. I don't see why people's comments on here have to be so mean. If I don't like a song, I just don't post anything. Perhaps some of the negative people here should consider that as a viable option.
 
some people complain about comments they don't like, some people complain about music they don't like.
 suej wrote:
I've always loved Tori Amos. I don't see why people's comments on here have to be so mean. If I don't like a song, I just don't post anything. Perhaps some of the negative people here should consider that as a viable option.
 Agreed Suej!! Just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean everyone needs to hear it.

Some times, on some days, you just have a great rasp in your throat. I wonder if this was the case for her on this one, and it was time to make the recording right then.
This is one flat pancake.
Get that woman a lozenge!
 mgtom wrote:
She needs to find a new vocal instructor. Stevie Nicks not a great role model.
Given that they are both very successful singers in their own right, I think your point is moot.

There is only one Tori Amos. Lucky as we are as a human species to have her.
She needs to find a new vocal instructor. Stevie Nicks not a great role model.
Well, that's a track I don't need to hear again any time soon ....
 On_The_Beach wrote:

You're right; Kate Bush is extremely talented and writes amazing songs. Tori Amos is a wannabe, trying desperately but not succeeding at sounding like Kate. No need to get upset about it.


 
I can't say I was  a huge fan of either but Kate Bush has grown on me whereas Tori Amos has not.
And yeah, the vocal fry on this is horrible.
 Makes *me* want to cough for her!

Jelani wrote:
She needs a shake to wash down that fry.
 

 crackker8385 wrote:

Right?!?!
 
No, not at all.
She needs a shake to wash down that fry.
no, no, no....the rasp...no
Stop! You're hurting my cat's ears.
 aaronm wrote:
Tori, you're great, but... don't do that thing with your voice that you're doing in this song.

 
Right?!?!
Tori, you're great, but... don't do that thing with your voice that you're doing in this song.
It's an okay song, but the lyrics are a bit syrup-y.
My new record, 0,1 second in to the song, hit the PSD CCR was playing bliss!!!
It sounds like she has a cornflake stuck in her throat.
I've always loved Tori Amos. I don't see why people's comments on here have to be so mean. If I don't like a song, I just don't post anything. Perhaps some of the negative people here should consider that as a viable option.
Is this croaking supposed to be singing? She should stick to instrumentals.
Throwing stones is easy. I like this one. She shows a lot of range in her voice. Nice piano/bass mix. Good lyrics. I like mine with syrup.
Then why were you listening to her to begin with?
 
kysmet wrote:
Make it stop, make it stop! Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard for me as it is but this is even worse than normal.
 


 rosedraws wrote:
Then why were you listening to her to begin with?

Kysmet, you must be my long lost twin. Hooray for the mute button!
 


I have read some of the comments about Tori Amos being compared to Kate Bush. Honestly I didn't know who Kate bush was; therefore I looked up her music on youtube. I wonder what is wrong with people, not trying to be insulting to people's perceptions, but their is no comparison. The two women sound nothing alike. I found that Kate Bush had more of a Bjork sound to her voice, but not as good. Also as far as someone saying Tori is a wannabe...hmm Tori has been playing music since she was young; around the age of 14. She played in piano bars at 14 and won a singing contest in 1977; therefore she was copying no one her voice, music, and songwriting is original and leaps and bounds over this "Kate Bush" women. That is my personal opinion.


 notsosoft1 wrote:
Seriously.  Tori Amos DOES NOT sound like Kate Bush AT ALL!!! 
 
You're right; Kate Bush is extremely talented and writes amazing songs. Tori Amos is a wannabe, trying desperately but not succeeding at sounding like Kate. No need to get upset about it.


 notsosoft1 wrote:
Seriously.  Tori Amos DOES NOT sound like Kate Bush AT ALL!!!  I have listened to a substantial amount of Kate Bush, and Tori sounds NOTHING like her.  AT ALL.  I constantly wonder if people who think so have some sort of hearing disability that makes them Kate Bush fans in the first place.  Because her music is certainly nowhere as beautiful as Tori's.  And that crackle in her voice isn't a crackle, but a well-placed roughness along its execution.  It's beautiful, and exudes the depth of her emotion.
 
All right already - keep your hair on. Just because Tori Amos' voice sounds a bit like Kate Bush doesn't mean that you have to rush into some ludicrous denial on account of your loathing of Kate Bush. Whilst their music is different their voices have some similarities, like it or not. Or maybe that's my "hearing disability" talking ;-|. I'm a big fan of Bush and now Amos - the two are not mutually exclusive. 7 from the Nottingham jury.

that is hilarious! {#Lol}   ROFL!!!  yes she does! 
mmmm, but.... i prefer the cornflakes.

 
holborne wrote:

This woman seems to have some sort of goddamned fetish with breakfast foods.


 

Seriously.  Tori Amos DOES NOT sound like Kate Bush AT ALL!!!  I have listened to a substantial amount of Kate Bush, and Tori sounds NOTHING like her.  AT ALL.  I constantly wonder if people who think so have some sort of hearing disability that makes them Kate Bush fans in the first place.  Because her music is certainly nowhere as beautiful as Tori's.  And that crackle in her voice isn't a crackle, but a well-placed roughness along its execution.  It's beautiful, and exudes the depth of her emotion.  
  
     Another thing:  TORI AMOS IS THE PIANO GENIUS.  Kate Bush was not tinkling on ivory keys at 2 and a half.  Tori makes love to her piano, KB does no such thing.  She's not prude, but she doesn't have the same emotional acuteness nor the same sexual undertones that are so strong in Tori's music (though she does have some sexual overtones, but little sexual frankness).  They are two completely different artists.  Genius songs like Cornflake Girl and Crucify could have never, ever come from her.  I just don't see it.
The way they eq'd her rasp in a couple of places, I knew would put a few people off, but it was absolutely deliberate AND absolutely cool.  I have a love/hate with Ms. Amos, largely because I fell so hard for her music when I first heard it... put someone up on a pedestal too high and you are setting them up to fall I suppose.  But anyway, some musicians attach meaning not only to their words... not only to the notes, not only their phrasing, but to deeper and deeper aspects of their delivery (breathing, 'breaking' notes, lip shape when singing, distance/angle from mic, etc).  I may sound snobby, but it tells a bit about someone when they describe this sort of nuance as "irritating".  Specifically, how superficially they are listening to the song.  I'm as guilty of these sorts of leaps as anyone... I guess that's why I try to stay positive about stuff so that, later, when I realize I was missing something, I don't feel like an idiot :)

I still regret my take on Rap which I loudly and vocally shared with my friends in High School.  When I finally had my rap "eureka" I really regretted my previous position.  That being said, I guess I should be less sensitive to being utterly and completely wrong.

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii give this a 3.


This was the first Amos CD that I liked all the way through, and I liked it quite a bit.

This woman seems to have some sort of goddamned fetish with breakfast foods.


Sexiest genius on the planet. 10.
I give it an 8 on musical merit, +1 for using the word "benzodiazepine." :-)
kysmet wrote:
Make it stop, make it stop! Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard for me as it is but this is even worse than normal.
Kysmet, you must be my long lost twin. :smile: Hooray for the mute button!
Make it stop, make it stop! Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard for me as it is but this is even worse than normal.
damn that is hot!
Baby_M wrote:
I don't normally go for Tori, but I like the instrumental track.
I don't know why, but I do too.
auburntigerrich wrote:
For front to back playability without having to sit through those songs that just don't sit right, this one is easily my favorite album. Not off the deep end like half of the Posse album, and more accessible than Venus or Pele. Of course, the reverse bell curve ratings still apply, as I have yet to meet anyone who listens to Tori and says "meh". Love 'er or hate 'er. I, personally, love 'er, especially for her piano genius. Try the last track, "Gold Dust".
I agree that this album is one of her more solid efforts. "Little Earthquakes" is still my favorite, but this one's is second or third (probably behind "Under the Pink"). Still, it's much better than anything else she's put out in the last eight years or so, in my opinion. You're right..."Gold Dust" is an incredible track.
I rated this as "Marginal", but only because I find it a more sophisticated insult than "Suck-o Barf-o".
I love this line..... so matter-of fact.... "no Messiahs need people dying in their Name You say "I ordered you a pancake"
I don't normally go for Tori, but I like the instrumental track.
For front to back playability without having to sit through those songs that just don't sit right, this one is easily my favorite album. Not off the deep end like half of the Posse album, and more accessible than Venus or Pele. Of course, the reverse bell curve ratings still apply, as I have yet to meet anyone who listens to Tori and says "meh". Love 'er or hate 'er. I, personally, love 'er, especially for her piano genius. Try the last track, "Gold Dust".
justDave wrote:
Is gargling an art form?
I read "Is gagging an art form?" :lol:
lee_sf wrote:
Gack. That scratchy voice thing totally does not work for me. The song is OK otherwise, though not very notable.
My feelings exactly.
My god the horror...make this stop please
I like this too, could we hear more from this Bill??
lee_sf wrote:
Gack. That scratchy voice thing totally does not work for me. The song is OK otherwise, though not very notable.
Like fingernails on the blackboard. I want to throw things.
Gack. That scratchy voice thing totally does not work for me. The song is OK otherwise, though not very notable.
She really has a very impressive voice!
mrrmaid1 wrote:
This is great! Are you going to play the entire new album? I love the underwater feel that this song has.
I'll go with the very first comment ever for this beaut song! :music:
Not one of her best. Then again, I\'m male, and thus not part of her target audience :-)
Originally Posted by ladyj: I like it. For all those who are also fans or even the ones who are not and are curious to find out more about what the album or songs are about heres a link to a show that aired December 17th on KCRW Morning Becomes Electic. Just Tori and her piano performs a set of hand picked songs (something I'm sure some of us miss with Tori) and talks about some of the meaning of her songs and her album: https://kcrw.com/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=mb&air_date=12/17/02&tmplt_type=show
I agree "LadyJ". I don't have this cd, but from what I have heard here on RP, it sounds like Tori's strongest since at least "Under The Pink". It may even rank with her first. Really interesting and good updating of the instrumental sound along with nice songwriting and song construction.
I like it. For all those who are also fans or even the ones who are not and are curious to find out more about what the album or songs are about heres a link to a show that aired December 17th on KCRW Morning Becomes Eclectic. Just Tori and her piano performs a set of hand picked songs (something I'm sure some of us miss with Tori) and talks about some of the meaning of her songs and her album: https://kcrw.com/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=mb&air_date=12/17/02&tmplt_type=show
Is gargling an art form?
First time I\'ve heard this one. Wonderful. I like everything I\'ve heard on this CD. (I like Tori a lot— this new stuff more than what she\'s done in a while.) Really appreciate having a place to discover new music and new artists. Thankyouthankyouthankyou!
Too much Tori :frustrated: This song in particular just grates on my nerves.
recycled garbage gives garbage a bad name
I'm a Tori fan and this is the only song that I have heard from her new album that I actually like so far.
seems alright for a ta song, however the way she sings the ascending aaaaaaahhhhhhhh really gets on my nerves, it could be the quality of the mp3 though, I'm not sure. I'm generally not a big fan of ta's music.
Originally Posted by mrrmaid1: Please explain to me why you feel this music is "recycled garbage," if you are going to insult someone great, back it up with reason. :(
I think Tori is great too....however that's subjective. What is true is that if he's going to say it's recycled garbage, then he really needs to reference the original garbage. Kevin
Originally Posted by mrrmaid1: This is great! Are you going to play the entire new album? I love the underwater feel that this song has.
underwater good call. I LOVE IT :clap:
What a wonderful voice. I\'d love to hear more form that album.
Originally Posted by rayraspi: the only way Tori can hope to sell this recycled garbage is newly angst teenage girls.
Please explain to me why you feel this music is "recycled garbage," if you are going to insult someone great, back it up with reason. :(
Her voice is interesting, especially when it cracks (which it does a bit too often); instrumentation is mellifluous, which is lovely and soothing but contrasts a bit much with the voice--guess that makes it interesting. Would listen to it again . . . but the tunewriter skimped on the variety of notes . . . as has been the trend in the last four songs or so. :p
the only way Tori can hope to sell this recycled garbage is newly angst teenage girls.
Now I have to find a Band-Aid...I cut my forehead on my keyboard when I fell asleep listening to this dreck.
ok here\'s a lyrics link for this one. I think this one\'s about the catholic church, I know she was working on one due to the recent scandals. https://www.stuff.to/include.php?include=talyr/Pancake.txl&
An acquired taste I never acquired. Pleeeez, not so often. :eek: :(
I agree about October 29th... I\'ve already started pestering the local music store :notworthy:
Make. It. Stop. :frustrated:
Well I'll be honest. I was going to say that this is the best Kate Bush song I've heard in a long time. And surprise! Its Kate's most sincere flatterer! :eek: But As I said "best I've heard in a long time" Maybe Tori is emerging from Ms. Bush's creative shadow after all! :clap: But what's with her and breakfast food?
Her voice and instrument here sound like her version of \"Happiness is a Warm Gun.\" October 29th can\'t come soon enough! :clap:
This is great! Are you going to play the entire new album? I love the underwater feel that this song has.