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Posted: Feb 24, 2020 - 3:16pm

LOL, isn't it SELF EVIDENT you would have your own agenda if you were an exceptional anyone?

 westslope wrote:
The good folks at bloomberg.com do not like Trump.  That is evident with careful reading.

Here is the trouble with journalists.  They are rarely experts and typically generalists so ex ante inclined to make mistakes but they do read widely.  They tend to defer to academics, scientists and other experts.  Politicians did the same once upon a time too. 

These days, 'exceptional Americans' have their own agenda.  



 


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Posted: Feb 23, 2020 - 11:46am

The Onion’s Guide To The 2020 Democratic Candidates
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Posted: Feb 11, 2020 - 1:12pm

 islander wrote:

 miamizsun wrote:
working last night with an employee under a huge partisan union

politics came up and she said something that surprised me

"i don't hate anyone, but i wish we had better choices"

i agreed
 

Would that we get to the place that life is a journey of experience instead of a winner take all contest. 
 

i don't necessarily have to do any winning (except maybe in the rp pigskin pickem')

it's the take all part that i fear

too much power concentrated in too few hands

or something like that
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Posted: Feb 11, 2020 - 7:20am



 miamizsun wrote:
working last night with an employee under a huge partisan union

politics came up and she said something that surprised me

"i don't hate anyone, but i wish we had better choices"

i agreed
 

Would that we get to the place that life is a journey of experience instead of a winner take all contest. 
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Posted: Feb 11, 2020 - 4:53am

working last night with an employee under a huge partisan union

politics came up and she said something that surprised me

"i don't hate anyone, but i wish we had better choices"

i agreed
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 1:05pm

The Senate’s decision to acquit Trump is even less democratic than you think
Trump being acquitted by the Senate was even less democratic than you think - Vox
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 8:33am

The good folks at bloomberg.com do not like Trump.  That is evident with careful reading.

Here is the trouble with journalists.  They are rarely experts and typically generalists so ex ante inclined to make mistakes but they do read widely.  They tend to defer to academics, scientists and other experts.  Politicians did the same once upon a time too. 

These days, 'exceptional Americans' have their own agenda.  



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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 7:29am



 rgio wrote:


 black321 wrote:
 In some ways, he can play the same strategy as trump, while actually being a successful billionaire businessman. 
 
But therein lies the issue...is he too similar to Trump?  

 
My guess is he's only similar to trump in the eyes of the radical left/socialist crowd. 

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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 7:27am



 black321 wrote:
 In some ways, he can play the same strategy as trump, while actually being a successful billionaire businessman. 
 
But therein lies the issue...is he too similar to Trump?  Can you get the undecided voter to move toward him, or in the end do they just either follow the herd toward Trump or not vote?  He's definitely different on issues, but November will end up a 2nd Amendment referendum.  Maybe that'll help Bloomberg?  He has more analysts than Goldman Sachs working the numbers, so who knows.

With Pete, you literally change the demographics of the leadership. In 4 years, the old white men in this race are done (Trump, Biden, Sanders). Warren is history.  What you'll see are the 40 and 50-year-old Senators coming after him (Cruz, Rubio, etc.) if he were to win.  Pete is polling really well with older voters oddly enough, so if the Sanders / Warren "socialist" crowd has a choice of Pete or Donnie....do they vote Pete, or just stay home?

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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 7:22am

 rgio wrote:

 islander wrote:
I don't really have faith in people anymore. 
 
 His being a homosexual is also a real issue in November. 
 
i agree with some of the sentiment

however, my faith in people (if i can use that word) extends to those who are willing to have a conversation

i think pete's personal preference isn't as big of an issue as some might think

or the acceptance trends (long term) for race, sex, religion, etc. are going in the right direction

he could do well to partner with a solid vp pick too

also i would like to see him couch his message in some reason and logic to help broaden his leadership appeal

stay away negativity, divisive emotion, etc.

we'll see what his team comes up with
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 7:08am



 islander wrote:


 steeler wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
 

Yes, exactly on paragraph one.

That last sentence is an astute observation. Buttigieg seems humble enough. Anyone who runs for President has a good-sized ego. But are they humble enough?
 

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
 
Impossible!  Everyone knows only conservatives and Republican supporters are the bigots / homophobes!

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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 6:52am



 rgio wrote:


 islander wrote:

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
 
I think Bloomberg has played his hand perfectly, but something about him feels too much like Trump and Biden, and while I like him, I have doubts about his appeal to the masses in November.

Pete is a real change.  He is very...VERY young.  His being a homosexual is also a real issue in November.  That said, I think he tears Trump apart like nobody else will in a debate.  

There are two recent interactions that are very impressive (you can look them up I'm sure).

The first was when a woman in Iowa who originally joined the Pete squad found out he was gay.  She made it very clear she couldn't vote for a gay man...she had no idea (which is a really interesting moment).  The staffer was polite, understanding, and attempted to talk through the issue.  When asked about it, Pete's answer was to first talk about the staffer.  How proud he was of her, what a great job she did.  It was amazing to hear a leader support his staff without pause...just a natural leadership that flows from him.

The second was in the town hall last night.  I only caught the last 20 mins or so, but he was asked: "if you could fix one thing, what would it be?"  His response was to fix government because until you fix the issues in DC that are dividing everyone, nothing will get done.  That is a very mature, very informed, very composed answer, which was delivered in a thoughtful, almost solemn tone.  

I think America will really appreciate some well-packaged intelligence.  He is the smartest guy in the room, and we should embrace his willingness to work for us.

All of that said....I'm not sure any of the Dems can defeat Trump.  

EDIT: My suggested running mate for Pete:  Mitt Romney

 

My problem with Pete is, he is too young and you dont want to play your hand too soon, before you're ready.  The position takes maturity, or a boatload of braggadocio.  I think that was part of why Obama was so ineffective. How much better of a president would he had been if he continued to serve as a senator, matured and was running now...or even in 2016?  Pete's next step should be governor, senator... 

I think Bloomberg has a good amount of integrity. He didnt run in 2016 because he thought Clinton would win, and I imagine would have done a good job, ha. He waited to see how the 2020 round of candidates looked before entering, and has agreed to throw his full support behind any candidate who wins the nomination.  But yes, his likability in the midwest and south could be issues.  In some ways, he can play the same strategy as trump, while actually being a successful billionaire businessman. 
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 6:39am

 rgio wrote:


 islander wrote:

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
 
I think Bloomberg has played his hand perfectly, but something about him feels too much like Trump and Biden, and while I like him, I have doubts about his appeal to the masses in November.

Pete is a real change.  He is very...VERY young.  His being a homosexual is also a real issue in November.  That said, I think he tears Trump apart like nobody else will in a debate.  

There are two recent interactions that are very impressive (you can look them up I'm sure).

The first was when a woman in Iowa who originally joined the Pete squad found out he was gay.  She made it very clear she couldn't vote for a gay man...she had no idea (which is a really interesting moment).  The staffer was polite, understanding, and attempted to talk through the issue.  When asked about it, Pete's answer was to first talk about the staffer.  How proud he was of her, what a great job she did.  It was amazing to hear a leader support his staff without pause...just a natural leadership that flows from him.

The second was in the town hall last night.  I only caught the last 20 mins or so, but he was asked: "if you could fix one thing, what would it be?"  His response was to fix government because until you fix the issues in DC that are dividing everyone, nothing will get done.  That is a very mature, very informed, very composed answer, which was delivered in a thoughtful, almost solemn tone.  

I think America will really appreciate some well-packaged intelligence.  He is the smartest guy in the room, and we should embrace his willingness to work for us.

All of that said....I'm not sure any of the Dems can defeat Trump.  

EDIT: My suggested running mate for Pete:  Mitt Romney

 
You had me to the edit.  I am sure that is Romney's choice as well!{#Lol}
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 6:33am



 islander wrote:

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
 
I think Bloomberg has played his hand perfectly, but something about him feels too much like Trump and Biden, and while I like him, I have doubts about his appeal to the masses in November.

Pete is a real change.  He is very...VERY young.  His being a homosexual is also a real issue in November.  That said, I think he tears Trump apart like nobody else will in a debate.  

There are two recent interactions that are very impressive (you can look them up I'm sure).

The first was when a woman in Iowa who originally joined the Pete squad found out he was gay.  She made it very clear she couldn't vote for a gay man...she had no idea (which is a really interesting moment).  The staffer was polite, understanding, and attempted to talk through the issue.  When asked about it, Pete's answer was to first talk about the staffer.  How proud he was of her, what a great job she did.  It was amazing to hear a leader support his staff without pause...just a natural leadership that flows from him.

The second was in the town hall last night.  I only caught the last 20 mins or so, but he was asked: "if you could fix one thing, what would it be?"  His response was to fix government because until you fix the issues in DC that are dividing everyone, nothing will get done.  That is a very mature, very informed, very composed answer, which was delivered in a thoughtful, almost solemn tone.  

I think America will really appreciate some well-packaged intelligence.  He is the smartest guy in the room, and we should embrace his willingness to work for us.

All of that said....I'm not sure any of the Dems can defeat Trump.  

EDIT: My suggested running mate for Pete:  Mitt Romney

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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 6:18am

 islander wrote:


 steeler wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
 

Yes, exactly on paragraph one.

That last sentence is an astute observation. Buttigieg seems humble enough. Anyone who runs for President has a good-sized ego. But are they humble enough?
 

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
 
Welcome aboard!  Didn't expect to see you so soon!{#Cowboy}
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 6:01am



 steeler wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
 

Yes, exactly on paragraph one.

That last sentence is an astute observation. Buttigieg seems humble enough. Anyone who runs for President has a good-sized ego. But are they humble enough?
 

I saw an interview the other day, and was very impressed.  Then I saw the video of the lady in Iowa who voted for him, but then learned he was gay and wanted her card back (I wonder if she voted for Obama, and then was surprised by his 'appearance ').

I don't really have faith in people anymore. Just wait until Bloomberg turns on the money faucets.
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 4:18am

 steeler wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
 

Yes, exactly on paragraph one.

That last sentence is an astute observation. Buttigieg seems humble enough. Anyone who runs for President has a good-sized ego. But are they humble enough?
 
i want to like him

he's probably used to being the brightest guy in the room

he needs to embrace that through a relative lens

clearly he's got a lot of people trying to pull him in all four directions

at this level he's got to try and kiss a lot of ideological asses

it would be nice to hear something from him regarding his plan minus the fluff

a plan without mentioning biden, bernie, trump, wokeness, the usual broken record bs, etc.

an honest snapshot of where we are and how he can help people improve their lives

i know, it's politics, but if he could focus on strong straightforward message it would help

i wish him well
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Posted: Feb 7, 2020 - 2:24am



 steeler wrote:
Watching town halls in New Hampshire. Buttigieg is a really smart and articulate guy. I have to admit, though, that I came into this campaign thinking that he is a little too young/inexperienced.  Reflecting on that. I think it was legitimate for Biden to say yesterday that there is a risk in assuming someone can go from Mayor of South Bend to the White House. But, again, the guy is impressive in answering questions and interacting. He has had diverse experiences; brings a lot to the table. Still . . .
 

Kind of ironic that of the Democratic candidates he seems like the adult in the room.   As a person, I rather like him too.  His major obstacles are AOC , the Bernie bros. and other leftist who will split between Sanders and Warren and the black vote who appears to have settled into Biden or stay home whatevs.   I think the DNC would accept him though as they are basically anybody but Sanders or Warren.    I would be quite pleased with a Trump vs. Buttigieg election cycle.  I would not vote for either one, but would feel comfortable with either as President.

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Posted: Feb 6, 2020 - 7:06pm



 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
 

Yes, exactly on paragraph one.

That last sentence is an astute observation. Buttigieg seems humble enough. Anyone who runs for President has a good-sized ego. But are they humble enough?
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Posted: Feb 6, 2020 - 6:56pm

 steeler wrote:
Watching town halls in New Hampshire. Buttigieg is a really smart and articulate guy. I have to admit, though, that I came into this campaign thinking that he is a little too young/inexperienced.  Reflecting on that. I think it was legitimate for Biden to say yesterday that there is a risk in assuming someone can go from Mayor of South Bend to the White House. But, again, the guy is impressive in answering questions and interacting. He has had diverse experiences; brings a lot to the table. Still . . .
 
He's sober in his assessments and incredibly well-informed and able to communicate that without condescension. Smart enough to know who the advisers are.
 
Reminds me of my career. It wasn't important to know all the ins and outs of the IBM Principles of Operations manual. It was only important to know who was the expert in each area, and make nice with them. Knowing one's gray areas is as important as knowing one's strengths.
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