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westslope

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Posted: May 6, 2021 - 6:10pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Fuck nationalism. We are one species, on one planet. Either we acknowledge this and act like it, or we're doomed.

Well, I see little conflict between enlightened nationalism and shared global interests.   

Is it nationalism that drives the US War on Terror, a rhetorical device used to dehumanize, demonize and kill?    I do not believe so. 

Were the Sept. 11th attacks in the 'national interest'?  Or was it a good pretext to start slaughtering innocent civilians in several theatres because all Americans derive intrinsic joy from killing the innocent?  

Is it really the 'national' interest of the USA to support Israeli nuclear weapons-backed ethnic-cleansing terrorism?   Especially in light of the horrifically bad health outcomes of over half the American population?    In the event of a regional nuclear war, Americans will die like folks in poor, developing countries.

Nationalism does not mean that ordinary dumb Americans have to do what anti-Semitic Americans want them to do.  If Americans agree to sacrifice the lives of their fellow citizens so Israel can annex most of the West Bank, well, is that rational 'national interest' calculation or are powerful special interests appealing to the murderous, racist, uninformed, ignorant side of Americans?

Is it in the national interests of ALL Americans to give the Baltic states NATO membership?   Why?  So US weapon system manufacturers and the heavily subsidized US agricultural sector can increase exports?  So NATO troops can strike up relations with local prostitutes? 

Does the eastern part of the Ukraine really matter to Americans or are all Americans "speak white" racists?    Was imposing billions of dollars of losses on Exxon Mobil in the national interest thanks to ineffective but self-loathing economic sanctions?  

Is it in the national interest to re-ignite the Cold War with Russia?  Or China for that matter?

Is it in the national interest to have 9% of the population not covered by health insurance?   Explain the national health, economic and security benefits of that situation.  

kurtster

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Posted: May 6, 2021 - 5:46pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Fuck nationalism. We are one species, on one planet. Either we acknowledge this and act like it, or we're doomed.


Ah, the School of One Size Fits All !  

Except that it doesn't.  To think that it does and to force that upon everyone is narrow minded and just plain wrong.
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Posted: May 6, 2021 - 5:32pm

 westslope wrote:


There is nothing wrong with "national interest".  That already implies a collective interest above and beyond narrow, special interests.   The Greens and Political Ecologists have a slogan — Think Globally, Act Locally — all of this works together.

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Incidentally, Lazy8, you asked a while back for a reference, and then I lost sight of that thread.   I guess my foreign policy politics is closest to those of the 'realists', i.e., the use of rational cost-benefit analysis in the realm of international relations and strategic studies.

A favourite read is Stephan M. Walt at Harvard who publishes often in Foreign Policy.   My strategic studies prof at Universite Laval — Albert Legault — was also a realist, or if you prefer identified with the school of 'realism'.  

wikipage:  Stephen Walt

Harvard Kennedy School of Government:  Stephen Walt.




Fuck nationalism. We are one species, on one planet. Either we acknowledge this and act like it, or we're doomed.
westslope

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Posted: May 6, 2021 - 5:11pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Patriotism is an antiquated concept that needs to go. Seriously.


There is nothing wrong with "national interest".  That already implies a collective interest above and beyond narrow, special interests.   The Greens and Political Ecologists have a slogan — Think Globally, Act Locally — all of this works together.

—————————————————————-

Incidentally, Lazy8, you asked a while back for a reference, and then I lost sight of that thread.   I guess my foreign policy politics is closest to those of the 'realists', i.e., the use of rational cost-benefit analysis in the realm of international relations and strategic studies.

A favourite read is Stephan M. Walt at Harvard who publishes often in Foreign Policy.   My strategic studies prof at Universite Laval — Albert Legault — was also a realist, or if you prefer identified with the school of 'realism'.  

wikipage:  Stephen Walt

Harvard Kennedy School of Government:  Stephen Walt.


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Posted: May 6, 2021 - 4:11pm

 westslope wrote:

Every time Biden uses the term 'Patriot', I cannot help but ask myself:  OK, whose grandchildren or grandparents do you want us to kill?

Lord knows that President Trump invited Americans to stop thinking for themselves.  Biden is doing the same.



Patriotism is an antiquated concept that needs to go. Seriously.
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Posted: May 6, 2021 - 4:09pm

 westslope wrote:

Every time Biden uses the term 'Patriot', I cannot help but ask myself:  OK, whose grandchildren or grandparents do you want us to kill?

Lord knows that President Trump invited Americans to stop thinking for themselves.  Biden is doing the same.



I suspect he is just reclaiming the language after years of republicans saying you can't be a democrat and a patriot
westslope

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Posted: May 6, 2021 - 8:26am

Every time Biden uses the term 'Patriot', I cannot help but ask myself:  OK, whose grandchildren or grandparents do you want us to kill?

Lord knows that President Trump invited Americans to stop thinking for themselves.  Biden is doing the same.

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Posted: May 5, 2021 - 4:26pm

A project by Jeremy Scahill
Empire Politician
A Half-Century of Joe Biden’s Stances on War, Militarism, and the CIA

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Posted: Apr 14, 2021 - 11:49am



What Bidenism Owes to Trumpism

The Biden agenda tries to seize the populist opportunity that Trump let slip away.

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So just as Trumpism depended on deficit spending to avoid any conflict with his party’s donors and anti-tax activists, Bidenism depends on deficit spending to avoid having to soak his professional-class constituents. That such spending is possible, that inflation is just a rumor, is the crucial precondition for both men’s styles of populism.

But whether Biden can simply expand upon his predecessor’s agenda without putting his own coalition to the test — well, that depends on just how long we stay in an era of money for nothing, and populism for free.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0...

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Posted: Apr 5, 2021 - 7:41am

 Coaxial wrote:

Got the stitches removed this morning...Looks like the chicks will dig it for sure.
 

gotta get yourself a t-shirt (or get sfw to make one)
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Posted: Apr 5, 2021 - 7:32am

 Coaxial wrote:

Got the stitches removed this morning...Looks like the chicks will dig it for sure.
 
What a stud...{#Wink}{#Good-vibes}
Coaxial

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Posted: Apr 5, 2021 - 7:23am

 Jiggz wrote:


 Coaxial wrote:
 
 

Good arvie, Randy. I hope the arm is coming along well?
I don't think any of this would be on Fox, nope.
They are no better than the others.

Ya gotta look for it, that's true.
 
Got the stitches removed this morning...Looks like the chicks will dig it for sure.
VV

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Posted: Apr 5, 2021 - 7:21am



 kurtster wrote:

As they say, it takes one to know one !  
{#Propeller}
 

Were you born a jackass or was it something that you aspired to?

My bet is on the first scenario. I think you hail from a long proud line of jackasses.

Maybe you shouldn't have poked the bear.
kurtster

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Posted: Apr 5, 2021 - 7:10am

 VV wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

And you sound like a white nationalist xenophobe ...

Don't worry, just passing thru ...

Later ...

obtw, a hiatus is a pause, not a departure ...
 
...good one, resident racist. Pot, meet kettle.

You got all that from one quip didja?

Just lobbing a sh*t grenade back and passing through too...

 
As they say, it takes one to know one !  {#Propeller}
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Posted: Apr 5, 2021 - 6:44am



 kurtster wrote:

And you sound like a white nationalist xenophobe ...

Don't worry, just passing thru ...

Later ...

obtw, a hiatus is a pause, not a departure ...
 
...good one, resident racist. Pot, meet kettle.

You got all that from one quip didja?

Just lobbing a sh*t grenade back and passing through too...

kurtster

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Posted: Apr 5, 2021 - 6:40am

 VV wrote:





He said “whilst”
 
And you sound like a white nationalist xenophobe ...

Don't worry, just passing thru ...

Later ...

obtw, a hiatus is a pause, not a departure ...
Jiggz



Posted: Apr 5, 2021 - 6:08am



 Coaxial wrote:
 

Good arvie, Randy. I hope the arm is coming along well?
I don't think any of this would be on Fox, nope.
They are no better than the others.

Ya gotta look for it, that's true.
Coaxial

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Posted: Apr 5, 2021 - 4:42am

 VV wrote:


 Jiggz wrote:
So....elder abuse in Washington ( the poor old stumble-bum doesn't know if it's Thursday or Cancun), and child abuse at the Southern Border with the collaboration of drug and human-trafficking cartels.
So much better than before, yip.

One in ten coming over the border testing positive for this virus thing, but being put on planes and buses to spread it into back into your own town, whilst you lose your businesses and your right to assemble, or go to church, or at the minimum, have to carry on wearing those damned masks.
Here's a gun, now stick your foot out and aim......

Who knows how much Fentanyl and such is coming over the border right now whilst your enforcement guys are so overworked having to hold hands with toddlers to get them somewhere safe.
There's a mighty step forward, sure!
Crisis? What crisis?

Obvious greenscreen computer-generated visuals of Biden holding impromptu meetings with the press, press questions needing to be submitted beforehand so the teleprompter can be used to answer them.
WTAF?

Everyone here happy, now?

Bad orange man displaced and blue eyed/black eyed, gibbering, 80-million vote man emplaced.
All good?
It's so good that YouTube is going to disable the dislike counter on the platform because videos with The Old Man in them garner too many dislikes.

If this is America trying to do better, then maybe stop trying?
You really were doing better before November 3rd 2020.

If you thought the world was laughing at the USA under Trump (which they generally weren't), know that the world would be literally rolling on the floor laughing their asses off now, if it wasn't so sad.

It all looks like a massive own goal to me, and sadly, I think you got properly played.

It's pretty dismal, and you know it, but you'll never admit it.
Stand by for some new unwinnable war somewhere.

 


He said “wilst”
 
Is this how Faux is reporting things? I haven't seen any of this but I avoid the news every chance I get.{#Meditate}
VV

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Posted: Apr 5, 2021 - 4:38am



 Jiggz wrote:
So....elder abuse in Washington ( the poor old stumble-bum doesn't know if it's Thursday or Cancun), and child abuse at the Southern Border with the collaboration of drug and human-trafficking cartels.
So much better than before, yip.

One in ten coming over the border testing positive for this virus thing, but being put on planes and buses to spread it into back into your own town, whilst you lose your businesses and your right to assemble, or go to church, or at the minimum, have to carry on wearing those damned masks.
Here's a gun, now stick your foot out and aim......

Who knows how much Fentanyl and such is coming over the border right now whilst your enforcement guys are so overworked having to hold hands with toddlers to get them somewhere safe.
There's a mighty step forward, sure!
Crisis? What crisis?

Obvious greenscreen computer-generated visuals of Biden holding impromptu meetings with the press, press questions needing to be submitted beforehand so the teleprompter can be used to answer them.
WTAF?

Everyone here happy, now?

Bad orange man displaced and blue eyed/black eyed, gibbering, 80-million vote man emplaced.
All good?
It's so good that YouTube is going to disable the dislike counter on the platform because videos with The Old Man in them garner too many dislikes.

If this is America trying to do better, then maybe stop trying?
You really were doing better before November 3rd 2020.

If you thought the world was laughing at the USA under Trump (which they generally weren't), know that the world would be literally rolling on the floor laughing their asses off now, if it wasn't so sad.

It all looks like a massive own goal to me, and sadly, I think you got properly played.

It's pretty dismal, and you know it, but you'll never admit it.


Stand by for some new unwinnable war somewhere.

 



He said “whilst”



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