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And I don't want dependents
It's no fun to be told
That you can't blame your parents anymore
I'm finding it hard to hang from a star
I don't wanna be
Never wanna be old
Sullen and bored the kids stay
And in this way they wish away each day
Stoned in the mall the kids play
And in this way they wish away each day
I don't really know
If I care what is normal
And I'm not really sure
If the pills I've been taking are helping
I'm wasting my life, hurting inside
I don't really know
And I'm not really sure
Sullen and bored the kids stay
And in this way they wish away each day
Stoned in the mall the kids play
And in this way they wish away each day
Sullen and bored the kids stay
And in this way they wish away each day
Stoned in the mall the kids play
And in this way they wish away each day
Sullen and bored the kids stay
And in this way they wish away each day
Stoned in the mall the kids play
And in this way they wish away each day
I dunno, maybe it's being older. I wonder what the songwriter thinks these days, 15 years later. For me it's been pretty good.
Saw them two nights ago in Berlin.
Happy Happy Happy.
You lucky duck! I wish I could have been there too!
Porcupine Tree / Steven Wilson must be the biggest discovery I have made on Radio Paradise. I haven't heard any song of them on any other radio station, yet this is so much better than 98% of anything I hear on those stations.
agreed 100%, except that for me 98% becomes 99%.
SW is one of the most important artists of our generation.
Please state the generation. Thanks!
Last night I stumbled across the best interview with Steven Wilson I have read to date:
Mar 02, 2015 By Stephen Humphries WEB EXCLUSIVE
Pasted excerpt:
Stephen Humpries (Under the Radar): Tell me why you gravitated toward a contemporary news headline story in Hand.Cannot.Erase.
Steven Wilson: I lived in the city for many years. I never knew my next-door neighbors. I never knew their names, what they did for a living; they didn't know what I did for living or my name. That's typical of what it means to live in the city these days. It is a 21st-century malaise in a way. Maybe it's paranoia, or everybody is too busy. But it also has lots to do with technology and the fact that we increasingly interact with each other through technology.
We have this thing now called social media, which is nothing of the kind. It is, of course, anti-social media, because it encourages people to disconnect from each other. It encourages people to hide behind almost fantasy versions of themselves. There is a version of themselves that they present on Facebook. This is not reality. This is not a real life.
Many friends of mine cannot fathom why I wouldn't want a Facebook account. And the reason is this: It seems like the most impersonal way of conducting relationships. I'd much rather write individual letters—emails—to friends or pick up the phone. On Facebook, everyone carefully curates what they present to friends so that you'd think they were living charmed, trouble-free lives. Or they boast a lot. You never get to know what their lives are really like because it's a public broadcast.
One of the problems with Facebook and social networking is that it encourages everyone to feel like the minutiae of their lives is worthy of publishing for other people to read. And of course, it isn't. I'm sure they have wonderful lives. But they're not particularly interesting for other people. We're not interested in what you had for breakfast, or that you went to the supermarket, or that you're at a party or at a bar with some friends. In a way, it is almost like an Andy Warhol "15 minutes of fame" thing. Everyone now has the opportunity to have the illusion of celebrity. You've published your life online for other people to see.
One of the most unfortunate aspects of the human psyche, ego, the narcissism, is the need to be validated by having your life observed by other people. Of course, that is what reality TV shows tap into. The 21st century, unfortunately has facilitated it through social media and reality television. For me, it's not a particularly positive development.
What they said!
Happy Happy Happy.
Porcupine Tree / Steven Wilson must be the biggest discovery I have made on Radio Paradise. I haven't heard any song of them on any other radio station, yet this is so much better than 98% of anything I hear on those stations.
Same here. I found them on RP months ago and it has been the best thing that's happened to me this year (been a really bad year - but I'm okay). I'm obsessed with them now.
$400.00? I'll pass! Nobody is that good.
Decided that this time I would make the investment(?) in seeing PT live.
Tickets were expensive, but I haven't been to an in person concert in longer than I can remember.
Excited that the show is less than 2 weeks away.
Too bad the tour is going through TicketMaster and they're $400 each. Sad...especially in these economic times.
$400.00? I'll pass! Nobody is that good.
*ahem* Steven Wilson has reformed Porcupine Tree and a new album release and tour for 2022 is forthcoming: https://porcupinetree.com/
Too bad the tour is going through TicketMaster and they're $400 each. Sad...especially in these economic times.
*ahem* Steven Wilson has reformed Porcupine Tree and a new album release and tour for 2022 is forthcoming: https://porcupinetree.com/
This makes my day! Thx for the heads up - was not aware.
I assume those giving this the lowest rating is from people who dislike PT, and are unhappy that Bill and RP play a lot of PT. But imagine hearing this song for the first time without any previous knowledge of PT. Would you really think the song (which admittedly is my favorite of many PT songs I rate 9-10) is Sucko-Barfo? Worse than 2-Marginal?
Enough of evangelism, since I realize evangelism usually has the opposite of the desired effect.
...
But really? A 1?
My guess is that people vote 1 to try lowering the average of songs they find overrated. Not sure it works though, it may even be counter productive if the algorithm is clever enough.
Definitely Porcupine Boys, my hometown biker gang
http://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/porcupine-tree-bandcamp-store-launched/
I don't know about that, but I sure like his music.
Why do you care? Does it have some sort of detrimental or insulting affect on you to know that there are some people who seem to strongly dislike this song or band? Every song in the playlist has a number of "1" or "2" votes - maybe it can be puzzling sometimes but there are much more pressing things to worry about.
Worrying about the 1 and 2 ratings? Definitely a First world problem. ....
Unlike... "The Vikings are coming to take your women and arable land!"
I assume those giving this the lowest rating is from people who dislike PT, and are unhappy that Bill and RP play a lot of PT. But imagine hearing this song for the first time without any previous knowledge of PT. Would you really think the song (which admittedly is my favorite of many PT songs I rate 9-10) is Sucko-Barfo? Worse than 2-Marginal?
Enough of evangelism, since I realize evangelism usually has the opposite of the desired effect.
...
But really? A 1?
Don't worry about it too much. Does it have some sort of detrimental or insulting affect on you to know that there are some people who seem to strongly dislike this song or band? Every song in the playlist has a number of "1" or "2" votes - maybe it can be puzzling sometimes but there are much more pressing things to worry about.
I'm in - 2 seats - maybe I'll wear my RP swag
One of the few modern bands where it takes some of us 1/2 dozen listens to figure out all the tracks and fully get the objective of the song writer.
Good to hear.
It ain't dated in this neck of the woods.
The whole album is awesome.
I assume those giving this the lowest rating is from people who dislike PT, and are unhappy that Bill and RP play a lot of PT. But imagine hearing this song for the first time without any previous knowledge of PT. Would you really think the song (which admittedly is my favorite of many PT songs I rate 9-10) is Sucko-Barfo? Worse than 2-Marginal?
Enough of evangelism, since I realize evangelism usually has the opposite of the desired effect.
...
But really? A 1?
There's no accounting for (bad) taste.
I assume those giving this the lowest rating is from people who dislike PT, and are unhappy that Bill and RP play a lot of PT. But imagine hearing this song for the first time without any previous knowledge of PT. Would you really think the song (which admittedly is my favorite of many PT songs I rate 9-10) is Sucko-Barfo? Worse than 2-Marginal?
Enough of evangelism, since I realize evangelism usually has the opposite of the desired effect.
...
But really? A 1?
Buddy, I'm 100% with you on this.
I assume those giving this the lowest rating is from people who dislike PT, and are unhappy that Bill and RP play a lot of PT. But imagine hearing this song for the first time without any previous knowledge of PT. Would you really think the song (which admittedly is my favorite of many PT songs I rate 9-10) is Sucko-Barfo? Worse than 2-Marginal?
Enough of evangelism, since I realize evangelism usually has the opposite of the desired effect.
...
But really? A 1?
vanillagorilla wrote:
Absolutely agree! I've seen him twice in Toronto, I'd go again in a second...
This was cool, thanks for sharing.
Limpopoking wrote:
I've never been able to describe my reluctance to join any form of social media this eloquently. I'm saving this to my desktop for forwarding whenever friends berate me for my lack of social exposure. Succinctly put Steven.
Absolutely!
I think noone really under-appreciates Steven Wilson ;-)
westslope wrote:
Stephen Humpries (Under the Radar): Tell me why you gravitated toward a contemporary news headline story in Hand.Cannot.Erase.
Steven Wilson: I lived in the city for many years. I never knew my next-door neighbors. I never knew their names, what they did for a living; they didn't know what I did for living or my name. That's typical of what it means to live in the city these days. It is a 21st-century malaise in a way. Maybe it's paranoia, or everybody is too busy. But it also has lots to do with technology and the fact that we increasingly interact with each other through technology.
We have this thing now called social media, which is nothing of the kind. It is, of course, anti-social media, because it encourages people to disconnect from each other. It encourages people to hide behind almost fantasy versions of themselves. There is a version of themselves that they present on Facebook. This is not reality. This is not a real life.
Many friends of mine cannot fathom why I wouldn't want a Facebook account. And the reason is this: It seems like the most impersonal way of conducting relationships. I'd much rather write individual letters—emails—to friends or pick up the phone. On Facebook, everyone carefully curates what they present to friends so that you'd think they were living charmed, trouble-free lives. Or they boast a lot. You never get to know what their lives are really like because it's a public broadcast.
One of the problems with Facebook and social networking is that it encourages everyone to feel like the minutiae of their lives is worthy of publishing for other people to read. And of course, it isn't. I'm sure they have wonderful lives. But they're not particularly interesting for other people. We're not interested in what you had for breakfast, or that you went to the supermarket, or that you're at a party or at a bar with some friends. In a way, it is almost like an Andy Warhol "15 minutes of fame" thing. Everyone now has the opportunity to have the illusion of celebrity. You've published your life online for other people to see.
One of the most unfortunate aspects of the human psyche, ego, the narcissism, is the need to be validated by having your life observed by other people. Of course, that is what reality TV shows tap into. The 21st century, unfortunately has facilitated it through social media and reality television. For me, it's not a particularly positive development.
Mar 02, 2015 By Stephen Humphries WEB EXCLUSIVE
Pasted excerpt:
Stephen Humpries (Under the Radar): Tell me why you gravitated toward a contemporary news headline story in Hand.Cannot.Erase.
Steven Wilson: I lived in the city for many years. I never knew my next-door neighbors. I never knew their names, what they did for a living; they didn't know what I did for living or my name. That's typical of what it means to live in the city these days. It is a 21st-century malaise in a way. Maybe it's paranoia, or everybody is too busy. But it also has lots to do with technology and the fact that we increasingly interact with each other through technology.
We have this thing now called social media, which is nothing of the kind. It is, of course, anti-social media, because it encourages people to disconnect from each other. It encourages people to hide behind almost fantasy versions of themselves. There is a version of themselves that they present on Facebook. This is not reality. This is not a real life.
Many friends of mine cannot fathom why I wouldn't want a Facebook account. And the reason is this: It seems like the most impersonal way of conducting relationships. I'd much rather write individual letters—emails—to friends or pick up the phone. On Facebook, everyone carefully curates what they present to friends so that you'd think they were living charmed, trouble-free lives. Or they boast a lot. You never get to know what their lives are really like because it's a public broadcast.
One of the problems with Facebook and social networking is that it encourages everyone to feel like the minutiae of their lives is worthy of publishing for other people to read. And of course, it isn't. I'm sure they have wonderful lives. But they're not particularly interesting for other people. We're not interested in what you had for breakfast, or that you went to the supermarket, or that you're at a party or at a bar with some friends. In a way, it is almost like an Andy Warhol "15 minutes of fame" thing. Everyone now has the opportunity to have the illusion of celebrity. You've published your life online for other people to see.
One of the most unfortunate aspects of the human psyche, ego, the narcissism, is the need to be validated by having your life observed by other people. Of course, that is what reality TV shows tap into. The 21st century, unfortunately has facilitated it through social media and reality television. For me, it's not a particularly positive development.
I've never been able to describe my reluctance to join any form of social media this eloquently. I'm saving this to my desktop for forwarding whenever friends berate me for my lack of social exposure. Succinctly put Steven.
Double barrel: 60% by weight LSD 25; 40% mescaline.
Sent a high school band mate into a series of convulsions and very high blood pressure if I recall. In our defence, everybody advised him not to do it.
Good, clean stuff BTW. 400 mg LSD according to C. Univ. chemist.
Green Barrel, Orange Wedge, White Lightning. Sandoz manufactured some Lysergic but stopped some time after it was made illegal.
How much of your kitchen counter space is devoted to drugs, mineral supplements, vitamins and fake food?
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200 kg or bust......
Well.....I have at least a douzaine anees on you, but I can tell you that my annual travel policy is getting fricken expensive based on the number of prescriptions I am obliged to take. There comes a time when you beg your Doc to NOT give you any more scripts because the actual cost is worse than the benefit. As for the counter space, real estate is so expensive that I keep the pill bottles over the fridge where they may be hard to reach, but don't occupy that thousand dollar square foot on the counter.
Well, as long as you are not hangin' out in the mall blotto most of the time, you should be just fine!
My wife still calls me 'Peter Pan' though I am about to push through the magical 60 threshold in a couple of months. To be immodest, I reckon I look pretty good compared to many of the fellow citizens in their 30s and 40s.
It is sad that middle-aged North American white males are facing declining life expectancies these days.
I & a few like-minded mates have a theory that a 'mid-life crisis' only happens to those who forgot how to be a kid, and it happens when they suddenly remember. My advice to any 'young-uns' - keep your motorcycle, keep your original jeans (don't let her find them) and don't believe any of that 'when i became a man' bull-hype. Be yourself, and never allow yourself to become what you think the world expects you to be, and with luck & a following wind, you'll never end up like 'them'. What do you reckon?
I was born in the spring of '63.
Not planning on growing up any time soon . . .
Well, as long as you are not hangin' out in the mall blotto most of the time, you should be just fine!
My wife still calls me 'Peter Pan' though I am about to push through the magical 60 threshold in a couple of months. To be immodest, I reckon I look pretty good compared to many of the fellow citizens in their 30s and 40s.
It is sad that middle-aged North American white males are facing declining life expectancies these days.
I grew up in the late 60's - Orange Sunshine was our hallucinogen choice
I was born in the spring of '63.
Not planning on growing up any time soon . . .
Mar 02, 2015 By Stephen Humphries WEB EXCLUSIVE
Pasted excerpt:
Stephen Humpries (Under the Radar): Tell me why you gravitated toward a contemporary news headline story in Hand.Cannot.Erase.
Steven Wilson: I lived in the city for many years. I never knew my next-door neighbors. I never knew their names, what they did for a living; they didn't know what I did for living or my name. That's typical of what it means to live in the city these days. It is a 21st-century malaise in a way. Maybe it's paranoia, or everybody is too busy. But it also has lots to do with technology and the fact that we increasingly interact with each other through technology.
We have this thing now called social media, which is nothing of the kind. It is, of course, anti-social media, because it encourages people to disconnect from each other. It encourages people to hide behind almost fantasy versions of themselves. There is a version of themselves that they present on Facebook. This is not reality. This is not a real life.
Many friends of mine cannot fathom why I wouldn't want a Facebook account. And the reason is this: It seems like the most impersonal way of conducting relationships. I'd much rather write individual letters—emails—to friends or pick up the phone. On Facebook, everyone carefully curates what they present to friends so that you'd think they were living charmed, trouble-free lives. Or they boast a lot. You never get to know what their lives are really like because it's a public broadcast.
One of the problems with Facebook and social networking is that it encourages everyone to feel like the minutiae of their lives is worthy of publishing for other people to read. And of course, it isn't. I'm sure they have wonderful lives. But they're not particularly interesting for other people. We're not interested in what you had for breakfast, or that you went to the supermarket, or that you're at a party or at a bar with some friends. In a way, it is almost like an Andy Warhol "15 minutes of fame" thing. Everyone now has the opportunity to have the illusion of celebrity. You've published your life online for other people to see.
One of the most unfortunate aspects of the human psyche, ego, the narcissism, is the need to be validated by having your life observed by other people. Of course, that is what reality TV shows tap into. The 21st century, unfortunately has facilitated it through social media and reality television. For me, it's not a particularly positive development.
Also, saw them at the Orange Peel in Asheville and they played the track. Absolutely mind blowing!
Lyrically, extremely sad
Selfish selfie
I grew up in the late 60's - Orange Sunshine was our hallucinogen choice
Double barrel: 60% by weight LSD 25; 40% mescaline.
Sent a high school band mate into a series of convulsions and very high blood pressure if I recall. In our defence, everybody advised him not to do it.
Good, clean stuff BTW. 400 mg LSD according to C. Univ. chemist.
Never developed a fondness for mushrooms. Cactus and I got a long much better.
As for cocaine, if people would only gently suck the coca leaves or at worst chomp down on the leaves and simply leave all the other derivatives alone, there would be a lot less misery.
I grew up in the late 60's - Orange Sunshine was our hallucinogen choice
In Greater Vancouver, there have been a dozen public shooting incidents over the past few weeks. Exciting eh?
And only one person died.
These were apparently low-level drug turf wars. What kind of drugs? The police and newspapers do not say. "Drugs" is usually sufficient to sow fear and guarantee massive police budgets.
People in British Columbia do love their black markets but then this round of violence is also driven by questionable immigration policies. The perpetrators are young Somalian and Indo-Canadian gang bangers.
I think Canadians have always been hugely jealous of inner city violence in the USA and now we have it! Joyous day.
Hell I grew up in the late 70's and early/mid 80's and it was still like that (you forgot Psilocybin ) The only drugs you took to shut yourself down were Alcohol, Quaaludes, and Pot - you know: Depressants.
Then Cocaine got us all jumpy and electricky. Glad I got over that right quick.
Never developed a fondness for mushrooms. Cactus and I got a long much better.
As for cocaine, if people would only gently suck the coca leaves or at worst chomp down on the leaves and simply leave all the other derivatives alone, there would be a lot less misery.
Back then, LSD, mescaline, peyote, San Pedro, MDA, MDMA and others were supposed to open up new worlds, not became regular weekend party drugs.
Hell I grew up in the late 70's and early/mid 80's and it was still like that (you forgot Psilocybin ) The only drugs you took to shut yourself down were Alcohol, Quaaludes, and Pot - you know: Depressants.
Then Cocaine got us all jumpy and electricky. Glad I got over that right quick.
couldn't have said it better myself. nods head in response to "I sometimes wonder if Steven Wilson understands the '60s better than most who actually lived through that period."
Perfectly fine tune for a damp west coast afternoon.
Most of us love Steven Wilson precisely because he takes the music very seriously. Extremely seriously. We love him because of the way he respects the old masters.
As for his insights into the anguish-ridden adolescent mind, I agree totally. Is there a contemporary rock poet alive that comes that close to getting it?
I sometimes wonder if Steven Wilson understands the '60s better than most who actually lived through that period. If you listen carefully to Wilson's lyrics, other than tobacco perhaps, he is simply not interested in self-medication. There is a very clear anti-blotto self-medication message if you care to listen on his CDs that predated Fear of a Blank Planet.
This gets back to loftier and perhaps more naive aspirations of the 'movement' back in the day. Drugs popular with the counter-culture were supposed to enlighten, not smother. Mind altering substances were supposed to feed creativity not kill it.
Back then, LSD, mescaline, peyote, San Pedro, MDA, MDMA and others were supposed to open up new worlds, not became regular weekend party drugs.
couldn't have said it better myself. nods head in response to "I sometimes wonder if Steven Wilson understands the '60s better than most who actually lived through that period."
Where have these "GUYS" been all these years on normal radio airplay?
Oh! normal regular same old songs! Ya that's it...too bad!
edit: we had a 2.2
How much of your kitchen counter space is devoted to drugs, mineral supplements, vitamins and fake food?
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200 kg or bust......
At times, but not on this album, IMO, which is about teenage angst. The lyrics sound like an adolescent boy's diary, and indeed may have been taken from one such. I think it brilliantly captures the nihilism and depression of some adolescent minds, including mine when I was that age - it's an embarrassment to read my diary from those days. I forever give thanks to RP for introducing me to PT (as well as hundreds of other brilliant artists)
Most of us love Steven Wilson precisely because he takes the music very seriously. Extremely seriously. We love him because of the way he respects the old masters.
As for his insights into the anguish-ridden adolescent mind, I agree totally. Is there a contemporary rock poet alive that comes that close to getting it?
I sometimes wonder if Steven Wilson understands the '60s better than most who actually lived through that period. If you listen carefully to Wilson's lyrics, other than tobacco perhaps, he is simply not interested in self-medication. There is a very clear anti-blotto self-medication message if you care to listen on his CDs that predated Fear of a Blank Planet.
This gets back to loftier and perhaps more naive aspirations of the 'movement' back in the day. Drugs popular with the counter-culture were supposed to enlighten, not smother. Mind altering substances were supposed to feed creativity not kill it.
Back then, LSD, mescaline, peyote, San Pedro, MDA, MDMA and others were supposed to open up new worlds, not became regular weekend party drugs.
At times, but not on this album, IMO, which is about teenage angst. The lyrics sound like an adolescent boy's diary, and indeed may have been taken from one such. I think it brilliantly captures the nihilism and depression of some adolescent minds, including mine when I was that age - it's an embarrassment to read my diary from those days. I forever give thanks to RP for introducing me to PT (as well as hundreds of other brilliant artists)
..... most defiantly
I adore Luminol. My wife hates it. => Don't think it would work on RP.
We may never know.
I adore Luminol. My wife hates it. => Don't think it would work on RP.
westslope wrote:
Hear! Hear! Hear! (Close your eyes and you can imagine that I am pounding the table. :-)
Drive home would work on RP me thinks......
Hear! Hear! Hear! (Close your eyes and you can imagine that I am pounding the table. :-)
Drive home would work on RP me thinks......
"stoned in the mal the kids play"
Terrific set.
So what is Steven Wilson doing next? Another solo CD with his current band? Back to Porcupine Tree? A Zen Buddhist retreat? Children?
Good priorities!
Happy to be one of those few people - and if everything was taken with a pinch of salt nothing of any value would get done.
I'm convinced Steven Wilson is a genius.
Steve, your music is awesome mate!
No it does not....
Steve is very good and Gavin, well....great all around drums
Thanks for introducing me to one of my top 5 favorites bands.
Gavin and Steven...
https://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/week-transcript-wikileaks-julian-assange/story?id=19521380&page=5#.UdC0-WzD8fQ
Good call. Amazingly great day of music today. Time for a contribution.
The album songs are told from the perspective of a troubled adolescent, and subtlety often isn't a characteristic of hormone-addled confused teens. They remind me of me when I was a teen, wrestling with adolescent angst and whatnot.
Everything just seems to come together