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Porcupine Tree — Start of Something Beautiful
Album: Deadwing
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Released: 2005
Length: 7:31
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Always in my thoughts you are
Always in my dreams you are
I got your voice on tape
I got your spirit in a photograph
Always out of reach you are

Cold inside my arms you are
Simple like a child you are
I remember when you took my hand and led me through the rain
Down inside my soul you are

The more I show the way
I feel the less I find you give a damn
The more I get to know the less find that I understand
Innocent, the time we spent, forgot to mention we're good friends
You thought it was the start of something beautiful?
Well think again.

Mother lost her looks for you
Father never wanted you
I trust to love and then I find you never really felt the same
There's something in your heart so cruel
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Another GREAT TUNE!!  from PT!!   RP introduced me to them, now I like a  LOT of their music!! That is why we come here.  Thanx RP!   
Posted 2 years ago by joejennings    [ Reply ]
Some of the lyrics are missing on here.

I love this song and album.
Posted 2 years ago by the_jake    [ Reply ]
 Rockit999 wrote:

9/8...Bridge & Chorus 5/4


Many thanks
Posted 2 years ago by a_genuine_find    [ Reply ]
I dont need to say I love this but I will… I love this
Posted 3 years ago by tm    [ Reply ]
Let us all bow and give praise to the savior of progressive rock!  Steven Wilson pulled it out of the derivative hole many neo-prog rock bands fall into and creates something new every time.  I would ask for more but Bill seems to dig them pretty hard because I hear them every day on here. NOT complaining!
Posted 3 years ago by DanielHLloyd    [ Reply ]
 johnalexford wrote:

In a tightly contested race, this song beats all other PT masterpieces as my favorite. The 2 minutes from around 4:45 of the song onward is music at its best. My humble opinion. 



I might have to agree with you, although Arriving Somewhere, Time Flies, Disappear are also up there for me. All different to be certain. 
Posted 3 years ago by johnalexford    [ Reply ]
 SquiddlyDiddly wrote:
Extraordinary drumming. Just listen to this masterpiece of hitting things! 
 
Gavin Harrisson, drum's surgeon
Posted 3 years ago by noe.architecte169    [ Reply ]
....and this band is brilliant....the GREATEST!!!
Posted 4 years ago by sashaly1968    [ Reply ]
In a tightly contested race, this song beats all other PT masterpieces as my favorite. The 2 minutes from around 4:45 of the song onward is music at its best. My humble opinion. 
Posted 4 years ago by johnalexford    [ Reply ]
As I say to many of my  friends, "Easily, the best artist you've never heard of!"

Thanks to Bill and RP I've had the pleasure of seeing Steven Wilson live. Trust me, you will not be disappointed!
Posted 4 years ago by Toronto_Bhoy    [ Reply ]
Takes me to a dark place in my life.  But I must admit I return often.  Manics are like that.
Posted 4 years ago by dtown40    [ Reply ]
Killer rhythm section. Compelling bridge.

Colin Edwin is bass deity.
Posted 4 years ago by DW4554    [ Reply ]
In some ways, this tune sounds like a mellow Tool song. Anyway, I do like it 
Posted 4 years ago by neptunejeff    [ Reply ]
 COMMANDER_KENT wrote:
Have been a Rocker for 40 years, and if not for Bill, I would have never heard of P.tree... 1000 thanks Bill!!! {#Whistle}

 
So I guess if we're discussing this band, it's P.tree dish?
Posted 4 years ago by pixelhutt    [ Reply ]
Posted 4 years ago by kramcd    [ Reply ]
This song birth was also  a start of something beautiful, isn't it ?
Fat 8 for this tune 
Posted 4 years ago by sonymagellan    [ Reply ]
 westslope wrote:


I adore Fear of a Blank Planet and highly recommend it but if you have not carefully listened to In Absentia from front to back, do it.

Wilson recognizes In Absentia as one of the most satisfying from Porcupine Tree period.  I agree.  
 

I'll second that, In Absentia is a masterpiece. I purchased it upon first hearing Sound Of Muzak here on RP and have been hooked on all things SW since.
Posted 5 years ago by MrStatenIsle    [ Reply ]
I like or love every single song that Steven Wilson has created. I can't say that about any other musician.
Posted 5 years ago by Piranga    [ Reply ]
 ick wrote:
Doggone it!  Now I have to go listen to the whole album, might have to throw in "Fear of a Blank Planet" too.
 

I adore Fear of a Blank Planet and highly recommend it but if you have not carefully listened to In Absentia from front to back, do it.

Wilson recognizes In Absentia as one of the most satisfying from the Porcupine Tree period.  I agree.  
Posted 5 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
Doggone it!  Now I have to go listen to the whole album, might have to throw in "Fear of a Blank Planet" too.
Posted 5 years ago by ick    [ Reply ]
 maximHurinovich wrote:
 Rockit999 wrote:

9/8...Bridge & Chorus 5/4
 I think chorus might be 5/8. Or 9/4 bridge. Just to keep the same BPM)
 

4 or 8...it depends on how you count.
Posted 5 years ago by Rockit9    [ Reply ]
Brilliant overall, but that break is just gorgeous, a true PT moment. And yeah, Gavin...
Posted 5 years ago by MrStatenIsle    [ Reply ]
 beeblebrocks40 wrote:
Absolutely love this song. Has anyone else listened to SW's Home Invasion CD/DVD? Its not Porcupine Tree, but brilliant none the less. Steven still plays Porcupine Tree in concert and they are still fantastic.
 
That CD/DVD is made from performances at the Royal Albert Hall.   Have not listened to it but would mention that the Royal Albert Hall is one of the few times I actually feel jealous of the cousins stuck in the Old World.  

Not to be confused with Ice-T's album of the same name.
Posted 5 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
Absolutely love this song. Has anyone else listened to SW's Home Invasion CD/DVD? Its not Porcupine Tree, but brilliant none the less. Steven still plays Porcupine Tree in concert and they are still fantastic.
Posted 5 years ago by beeblebrocks40    [ Reply ]
The subwoofer on my music system always gets a good workout when this song comes on {#Bananajam}
Posted 5 years ago by Stephen_Phillips    [ Reply ]
 Rockit999 wrote:

9/8...Bridge & Chorus 5/4
 I think chorus might be 5/8. Or 9/4 bridge. Just to keep the same BPM)
Posted 5 years ago by maximHurinovich    [ Reply ]
 COMMANDER_KENT wrote:
Have been a Rocker for 40 years, and if not for Bill, I would have never heard of P.tree... 1000 thanks Bill!!! {#Whistle}
The whole album is a masterpiece...!
 

Posted 5 years ago by mitsarion    [ Reply ]
Extraordinary drumming. Just listen to this masterpiece of hitting things! 
Posted 5 years ago by SquiddlyDiddly    [ Reply ]
When the drums comes in - that unusual time signature.

A perfect example of what Gavin brought to the band.
Posted 5 years ago by Propayne    [ Reply ]
Definitely one of my all time Radio Paradise Faves!
Posted 5 years ago by Elvis78    [ Reply ]
This song never gets old.  So much emotion.  PT always delivers with Steven Wilson's genius.
Posted 6 years ago by nelsonha    [ Reply ]
 Relayer wrote:
I guess it is time for me to just face facts, give up, and accept the fact that Steve Wilson is done with Porcupine Tree.  While his solo work is amazing, I still prefer the progy-aggressive sound that was PT.  No one came close in the 2000s to this level of prog; concept albums, complex music, great songwriting, and talented musicians.
 
Maybe you can try Oceansize's "Everyone into position" album (warning it is very addictive)
Posted 6 years ago by GoSaneFr    [ Reply ]
 Michael_in_Paradise wrote:
So great, like the complete album !!
 
Probably my favorite PT album.  Definitely worth listening to the whole thing to get the complete experience.
Posted 6 years ago by Imkirok    [ Reply ]
So great, like the complete album !!
Posted 6 years ago by Michael_in_Paradise    [ Reply ]
I've been listening more to this band. They play trippy! We need more!
Posted 6 years ago by idiot_wind    [ Reply ]
 jeepstir wrote:
I could hear this song 20 times a day and not get tired of it. A true masterpiece of SW & Company (of many such)

 
Me too! and not only this song but many many of this wonderful amazing band, also from Steven Wilson  in general.
Posted 6 years ago by Yoav-b    [ Reply ]
To me a weak 7 - Quite Likeable
Posted 6 years ago by Tomasni    [ Reply ]
 Rockit999 wrote:

9/8...Bridge & Chorus 5/4

 
Bedankt
Posted 6 years ago by a_genuine_find    [ Reply ]
Have been a Rocker for 40 years, and if not for Bill, I would have never heard of P.tree... 1000 thanks Bill!!! {#Whistle}

Posted 6 years ago by COMMANDER_KENT    [ Reply ]
Modern progressive rock hell yes all day long{#Bananapiano}
Posted 6 years ago by LinThizzy    [ Reply ]
Agree on PT being up there among the best. Sadly, I only found them after they had disbanded, and then tried to gorge on them all at once, and feel like I missed out on a movement. Still, while not the same, SW solo is right up there.
Posted 6 years ago by johnalexford    [ Reply ]
 Relayer wrote:
I guess it is time for me to just face facts, give up, and accept the fact that Steve Wilson is done with Porcupine Tree.  While his solo work is amazing, I still prefer the progy-aggressive sound that was PT.  No one came close in the 2000s to this level of prog; concept albums, complex music, great songwriting, and talented musicians.

 
RUSH
Posted 6 years ago by Rockit9    [ Reply ]
Is there a Porcupine Tree channel somewhere? Springsteen, Pearl Jam, Santana and presumably many others have their own channels (Sirius and etc.) that plays the studio cuts, live, bootleg and their guesting with other acts. I'll have to investigate if PJ has one. I think it may be very difficult to grow tired of some of their tracks like Arriving Somewhere Not Here, Dark Matter and others. I will check it out.  
Posted 7 years ago by kingart    [ Reply ]
Perfect timing- not just the incredible beats on this track- also the fit within the time of season, time of day, and the mood.  Cold dreary day in the northeast and sun piercing low lying clouds.  Late autumn day- last remnant of the season, anticipating a long, long cold winter- this song is the perfect fit.  Once again, thanks Bill.
Posted 7 years ago by jmddj    [ Reply ]
I could hear this song 20 times a day and not get tired of it. A true masterpiece of SW & Company (of many such)
Posted 7 years ago by jeepstir    [ Reply ]
 Relayer wrote:
I guess it is time for me to just face facts, give up, and accept the fact that Steve Wilson is done with Porcupine Tree.  While his solo work is amazing, I still prefer the progy-aggressive sound that was PT.  No one came close in the 2000s to this level of prog; concept albums, complex music, great songwriting, and talented musicians.

 
I know, me too, but I can't do it just yet.  
Posted 7 years ago by jnesser    [ Reply ]
 Deadwing wrote:

Sad, but probably true       {#Cry}

 
Yup.  In interviews, Wilson alludes to a personality conflict that I suspect drove him away from Porcupine Tree.   

His solo material is increasingly popular; I suspect that his fan base in India and similar places is growing quickly.  I suspect that record companies are increasingly willing to throw generous resources at Wilson.

FWIW, I really enjoy The War on Drugs and believe that Adam Granduciel merits all the success he is currently enjoying.  But I just made a comparison in my head between TWOD and Porcupine Tree (TWOD has lots of post-prog influences) and concluded that Porcupine Tree's music is still far better. 

 
Hiya Deadwing!  Glad to see you back commenting.  
Posted 7 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
 Relayer wrote:
I guess it is time for me to just face facts, give up, and accept the fact that Steve Wilson is done with Porcupine Tree.  While his solo work is amazing, I still prefer the progy-aggressive sound that was PT.  No one came close in the 2000s to this level of prog; concept albums, complex music, great songwriting, and talented musicians.

 
Sad, but probably true       {#Cry}
Posted 7 years ago by Deadwing    [ Reply ]

 ambrebalte wrote:
5am after a night of work, Porcupine Tree - Start of Something Beautiful...time for a cigarette, closing eyes and dreaming, hmmmm
  

 25demayo wrote:

Please don't smoke in bed. It might be the end of something beautiful.
 
{#High-five}{#Roflol}

Seven years after, quite a while...
Haha, I wasn't in bed, never smoked in bed actually.  Meanwhile, I quit smoking, sauf de temps a autre, une cigarette fais-main
Bonjour de ce cote du monde
Posted 7 years ago by ambrebalte    [ Reply ]

damn I love this song.....the drumming is mind-boggling and the lyrics are disturbingly great

.....it never gets old

SOLID 9


Posted 7 years ago by Emwolb    [ Reply ]
I guess it is time for me to just face facts, give up, and accept the fact that Steve Wilson is done with Porcupine Tree.  While his solo work is amazing, I still prefer the progy-aggressive sound that was PT.  No one came close in the 2000s to this level of prog; concept albums, complex music, great songwriting, and talented musicians.
Posted 7 years ago by Relayer    [ Reply ]
 a_genuine_find wrote:
Hoping there's a real musician out there who can identify the time signature of this song? I think the bridge is 5/4 but I am easily confused.
{#Ask}
{#Stupid}
{#Question}

 
9/8...Bridge & Chorus 5/4
Posted 7 years ago by Rockit999    [ Reply ]

Couldn't have said it better myself. This tune gets a 10 from me. 

Carl wrote:

I think if RP had a theme song, this could be it. Fabulous yet obscure to almost everyone I know (the band, never mind this song). It's one of my all-time favs!

 


Posted 7 years ago by bitbanger    [ Reply ]
Hoping there's a real musician out there who can identify the time signature of this song? I think the bridge is 5/4 but I am easily confused.
{#Ask}
{#Stupid}
{#Question}
Posted 7 years ago by a_genuine_find    [ Reply ]
I think if RP had a theme song, this could be it. Fabulous yet obscure to almost everyone I know (the band, never mind this song). It's one of my all-time favs!
Posted 7 years ago by Carl    [ Reply ]
I love how this thing comes in like a sinister version of Roxy Music's "Avalon" then evolves into an incandescent, drum-driven rocker...
Posted 7 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
Over a decade later and this still sounds amazing.  
Posted 7 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
ahhh more Steven Wilson...
Posted 7 years ago by Bert7    [ Reply ]
Really diggin this band right now....all good stuff
Posted 7 years ago by vanillagorilla    [ Reply ]
I think it is worth repeating that much of the unique sound of this song is due to Richard Barbieri's keyboards and synthesizers.  
Posted 7 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
 bluematrix wrote:
Bobbing my head to hook filled bass line, further appreciating how good this song/band is, I look down, and see my fingers moving this from an 8 to a 9. Not getting a lot of work done with all this good music distracting me today.

 
I will add that this is the latest in a sequence of really well selected pieces that all seem to belong together. This does make effective work a bit of a challenge, but I have not stopped listening.
Posted 7 years ago by bam23    [ Reply ]
Bobbing my head to hook filled bass line, further appreciating how good this song/band is, I look down, and see my fingers moving this from an 8 to a 9. Not getting a lot of work done with all this good music distracting me today.
Posted 7 years ago by bluematrix    [ Reply ]
I discovered this band through RP and after hearing 3-4 songs, it became one of my favorites. The sound is so good and the music is runnig deep...great!
Posted 7 years ago by Bokmakierie    [ Reply ]
 Limpopoking wrote:
Just..... WOW!!!!!!

I'm never not moved by this track {#Notworthy} 

 
" Trains " does it too.  Hang on, I was looking at this page 3 minutes before this came on. RP rocks.
Posted 7 years ago by funkyalfonso    [ Reply ]
Great band
Posted 8 years ago by fitmartin    [ Reply ]
So perfect, coming after U2's Unforgettable Fire; the pain of Love lost is perhaps the most cruel feeling for a human heart to bear...
Posted 8 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
5/4 & 9/8 time & air drums......Beauty eh!
Posted 8 years ago by Rockit    [ Reply ]
Liking this outfit more and more
Posted 8 years ago by jbuhl    [ Reply ]
Just..... WOW!!!!!!

I'm never not moved by this track {#Notworthy} 
Posted 8 years ago by Limpopoking    [ Reply ]
Yay, the Yoda song. Love it. I can listen to these guys for hours and lose track of day and time. Marvelous, moody, musical mystery. Fabulous live too. SW is a perfectionist and it comes through in all his work. His recent Raven That Refused to Sing CD is a masterpiece. Check it out.
Posted 8 years ago by volnomad    [ Reply ]
Becoming overplayed, but I love this band.
Posted 8 years ago by dkwalika    [ Reply ]
 Limpopoking wrote:

And she still does... Thx DW {#Smile}

 
Thanks guys!!

{#Music} 
Posted 8 years ago by Deadwing    [ Reply ]
 westslope wrote:

Agreed, except this one received a 10 a long time ago.

In Absentia is PT's best, though many prefer Signify.  I reckon Deadwing is this household's sentimental favourite.

So are the PT lads getting back together?  Have the band members been writing material?   Wilson mentioned that he would cut another PT CD if the other band members came into the studio with written material. 

 
Signify is my personal favorite, but I consider Deadwing to be a perfect album  {#Sunny}

Hi Slope!!   /hugs
Posted 8 years ago by Deadwing    [ Reply ]
 markybx wrote:
Awesome segue from The Moody Blues.

Great bass and percussion, I'm giving this a 9 

 
It would have sounded better (if that were possible) after a Yes song. That bass sounds a lot like Squire.
Posted 8 years ago by oldsaxon    [ Reply ]
Perfect to hear anytime....I love most all PT tunes
Posted 8 years ago by 82comet    [ Reply ]
Quite possibly my favorite PT song, and I like a lot of their stuff.  Somewhere but never here, also off of Deadwing, comes in a close second.  This one is just beautifully arranged and mastered, and the lyrics are very poignant.
Posted 8 years ago by Imkirok    [ Reply ]
 markybx wrote:
Awesome segue from The Moody Blues.

Great bass and percussion, I'm giving this a 9 

 
Agreed, except this one received a 10 a long time ago.

In Absentia is PT's best, though many prefer Signify.  I reckon Deadwing is this household's sentimental favourite.

So are the PT lads getting back together?  Have the band members been writing material?   Wilson mentioned that he would cut another PT CD if the other band members came into the studio with written material. 
Posted 8 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
Awesome segue from The Moody Blues.

Great bass and percussion, I'm giving this a 9 
Posted 8 years ago by markybx    [ Reply ]
I was contemplating different ratings when this started, but then when I remembered the lead guitar I instantly said F it, 10!
Posted 8 years ago by rob_m    [ Reply ]
 Carl wrote:
Forever grateful to listener 'Deadwing' for introducing me to this group; she knew what she was talking about!

 
And she still does... Thx DW {#Smile}
Posted 8 years ago by Limpopoking    [ Reply ]
 Carl wrote:
Forever grateful to listener 'Deadwing' for introducing me to this group; she knew what she was talking about!

 
My pleasure, friend. Porcupine Tree is a sonic playground where you can happily lose yourself for minutes, hours, days...

May it never end!

Hugs

{#Music} 
Posted 8 years ago by Deadwing    [ Reply ]
 giammin wrote:
it sounds very Tool


 
It really does. Mainly just the bass and drums. Love it. 
Posted 8 years ago by kurbowicz    [ Reply ]
it sounds very Tool
Posted 8 years ago by giammin    [ Reply ]
Forever grateful to listener 'Deadwing' for introducing me to this group; she knew what she was talking about!
Posted 8 years ago by Carl    [ Reply ]
 VH1 wrote:
Not a day at RP with not at least 10 Porcupine Tree songs. It gets boring after a while! {#Fever}

 
I think you're exaggerating a bit. Anyway, this song is hitting the spot for me this morning.
Posted 8 years ago by olivertwist    [ Reply ]
Not a day at RP with not at least 10 Porcupine Tree songs. It gets boring after a while! {#Fever}
Posted 8 years ago by VH1    [ Reply ]
Apart from the obvious point about these lyrics apparently  being arranged by Yoda...

PT are obviously a hugely talented group of artists and the whole always seems massively professional. I do mean professional as a compliment BTW, the group almost feels like a hobby for elite session musicians to me. There is always much to admire about them.

But the focus of the group on the darker side of human nature is just a little too much for me. They do it well, it's not celebrated as such. It's just a little too real and raw for me, it doesn't do to dwell too long or deeply on these things IMO.

Having said this I am grateful for some very profound tracks from PT which do examine exactly these things, and do so very well. I find I cherry pick tracks from their albums just to hear these near masterpieces but whole albums prove too much in a single sitting. I can't help admiring them for that. 

What was that quote about worthy art? That it should disturb the comfortable, and comfort the disturbed, I think.  
Posted 8 years ago by SECA_Alan    [ Reply ]
 Webfoot wrote:

Well, North American porcupines spend much of their time in trees and will sometimes eat bark, enough sometimes to kill young trees.  {#Cheesygrin}

 
So a porcupine tree looks abused and almost dead.  I like it.  Not sure our British lads had that in mind but why not?
Posted 8 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
 kingart wrote:
And just what exactly is a porcupine tree, anyway? 

 
Well, North American porcupines spend much of their time in trees and will sometimes eat bark, enough sometimes to kill young trees.  {#Cheesygrin}
Posted 8 years ago by Webfoot    [ Reply ]
 kingart wrote:
And just what exactly is a porcupine tree, anyway? 

 
A heavily chewed tree.  
Posted 8 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
I love SW's solo work but I'm ready for another PT album.
Posted 8 years ago by Canlistener    [ Reply ]
And just what exactly is a porcupine tree, anyway? 
Posted 8 years ago by kingart    [ Reply ]
A local band for me. Always like a Porcy track! Lots of layers to enjoy.
Posted 8 years ago by kudubundu    [ Reply ]
 westslope wrote:
Happy Solstice to all the fans! 

This is one helluva whimsical, gorgeous, love-peters-out song.  {#Cheers} 

 
A great song to experience live {#Drummer}
Posted 8 years ago by ShaunJ    [ Reply ]
Happy Solstice to all the fans! 

This is one helluva whimsical, gorgeous, love-peters-out song.  {#Cheers} 
Posted 8 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
 Coffeetraveler wrote:
This music is new to me (thanks RP.)  I love material with unusual time signatures when it is done for creative reasons and not just to be flashy. Reference "Dance of the Maya" from Mahavishnu Orchestra's Inner Mounting Flame. 

 
Or Lila's Dance— from Visions of the Emerald Beyond...


Posted 9 years ago by ih8bills    [ Reply ]
Slow burner :-)
 
Posted 9 years ago by gwirdnam    [ Reply ]
PT's renderings seem to have a consistent undercurrent of gloom and despair...which always encourages me to listen thoughtfully... the music is always tight and well executed. DeadWing has the well worn marks of a CD played over and over, especially cranked up in my car.
Posted 9 years ago by anisbet    [ Reply ]
This music is new to me (thanks RP.)  I love material with unusual time signatures when it is done for creative reasons and not just to be flashy. Reference "Dance of the Maya" from Mahavishnu Orchestra's Inner Mounting Flame. 
Posted 9 years ago by Coffeetraveler    [ Reply ]
 ShaunJ wrote:

Chris Maitland is a gifted drummer however he did not play on this album. The drummer is Gavin Harrison

 
and Gavin is the man!
Posted 9 years ago by leathepea    [ Reply ]
Why didn't I knew this song before??
Thnx for introducing it to me  
Posted 9 years ago by Zasha    [ Reply ]
cranked up volume 100% for this one in the car on my way to work just a few hours before...
awesome! {#Dancingbanana_2}
 {#Motor}
Posted 9 years ago by ShamanManu    [ Reply ]
It's always a pleasure to note the wonderful selection of songs you guys make! Porcupine Tree is great!
 
Posted 9 years ago by Roland    [ Reply ]
 sterlingy wrote:
Bill, You have a knack for amazing song transitions. The Unforgettable Fire to this! You know your music.

 
I'm with you. And this is the philosophy of this radio station. :)
Posted 9 years ago by CHuLoYo    [ Reply ]
upon further listening, 8—->9
Posted 9 years ago by gregskrtic    [ Reply ]
Bill, You have a knack for amazing song transitions. The Unforgettable Fire to this! You know your music.
Posted 9 years ago by sterlingy    [ Reply ]
extremely gifted and competent musicians! {#Drummer}

{#Hearteyes}
Posted 9 years ago by fitmartin    [ Reply ]
 sirtezza wrote:
Like Ikea, functional but soulless.

 
Hey!  I'm assembling a dresser full of drawers from Ikea at this moment.  Believe me the furniture has soul!
Posted 9 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
 OceanBlue wrote:

Proclivities wrote:

By what rule book is 4/4 time "essential"?  Mozart, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Strauss, and other composers of waltzes would have disagreed, as well as composers and musicians from the Balkans and land further east.  I know what you mean by suggesting that some music can seem too cerebral — where it's more like mathematics than it is like music — but all music is still "made with the mind".  I believe in the "keep it simple" idea and don't much like music which seems overly adorned for the sake of adornment, but there is a reason why many composers and musicians venture out of 4/4 (common) time: it can grow pretty stale.  I don't think that this band sometimes composes and plays songs in unusual time signatures just to be "fancy"; it's more to create a tension or a dynamic by deviating from common time.  I suppose it depends what one wants to compose.

 
I agree, and when you get solid songwriting and a drummer who's as gifted as Chris Maitland the "unnatural" time signature doesn't feel so unnatural, does it? In fact, it's got an interesting and dramatic forward motion to it. Though when I sit down to drum to this song the result is uncomfortable at best.

Also, to your point, I think this song is in 3/4 which is a fairly common time signature. It's all about playing around the beat, which Chris does so well that the signature feels less like 3/4 than 15/4...

 
Chris Maitland is a gifted drummer however he did not play on this album. The drummer is Gavin Harrison
Posted 9 years ago by ShaunJ    [ Reply ]

Proclivities wrote:

By what rule book is 4/4 time "essential"?  Mozart, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Strauss, and other composers of waltzes would have disagreed, as well as composers and musicians from the Balkans and land further east.  I know what you mean by suggesting that some music can seem too cerebral — where it's more like mathematics than it is like music — but all music is still "made with the mind".  I believe in the "keep it simple" idea and don't much like music which seems overly adorned for the sake of adornment, but there is a reason why many composers and musicians venture out of 4/4 (common) time: it can grow pretty stale.  I don't think that this band sometimes composes and plays songs in unusual time signatures just to be "fancy"; it's more to create a tension or a dynamic by deviating from common time.  I suppose it depends what one wants to compose.

 
I agree, and when you get solid songwriting and a drummer who's as gifted as Chris Maitland the "unnatural" time signature doesn't feel so unnatural, does it? In fact, it's got an interesting and dramatic forward motion to it. Though when I sit down to drum to this song the result is uncomfortable at best.

Also, to your point, I think this song is in 3/4 which is a fairly common time signature. It's all about playing around the beat, which Chris does so well that the signature feels less like 3/4 than 15/4...
Posted 9 years ago by OceanBlue    [ Reply ]
a naturally gifted singer/songwriter this guy is.. {#Cheers}
Posted 9 years ago by moodfood    [ Reply ]
 OHMish wrote:

No I don't want them to be normal/boring

But there is a reason 4/4 is so popular. It's NATURAL and essential

I just dislike when drummers/bands have to punctuate a rythm / make the song more "special" by playing a weird rythm
Music made with the mind is not interesting to me

Many of the greatest all time drummers would agree: Keep it simple, keep it real

 
By what rule book is 4/4 time "essential"?  Mozart, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Strauss, and other composers of waltzes would have disagreed, as well as composers and musicians from the Balkans and land further east.  I know what you mean by suggesting that some music can seem too cerebral — where it's more like mathematics than it is like music — but all music is still "made with the mind".  I believe in the "keep it simple" idea and don't much like music which seems overly adorned for the sake of adornment, but there is a reason why many composers and musicians venture out of 4/4 (common) time: it can grow pretty stale.  I don't think that this band sometimes composes and plays songs in unusual time signatures just to be "fancy"; it's more to create a tension or a dynamic by deviating from common time.  I suppose it depends what one wants to compose.
Posted 9 years ago by Proclivities    [ Reply ]
One of the coolest, wicked sinister-sounding openings ever; the intense, radical unique drumming reminds me of Phil Ehart&Neil Peart
Posted 9 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
Love Porc Tree. This is not one of their best. Great title, though.
Posted 9 years ago by mkevs6967    [ Reply ]
"Beautiful" segue from Unforgettable Fire.
Posted 9 years ago by Krispian    [ Reply ]
I am afraid that I just can't stand anything by Porcupine Tree, and the fact their tracks regularly feature on RP is the main reason I stop listening. My problem, I know.
Posted 9 years ago by ncollingridge    [ Reply ]
 ChrisVIII wrote:
raising the rating from 4 to 5 :)
 
Hint: the really cool RP listeners rate this one at least 8, more likely 9 or 10. :-)
Posted 9 years ago by Carl    [ Reply ]
 ChrisVIII wrote:
raising the rating from 4 to 5 :)

 
Gee....way to go :^ /
Posted 9 years ago by dragon1952    [ Reply ]
raising the rating from 4 to 5 :)
Posted 9 years ago by ChrisVIII    [ Reply ]
Been listening to a lot of Steven Wilson material over the past couple of years (Raven and Hand.Cannot.Erase CDs) but this still holds up extremely well.

I look forward to seeing Steven Wilson this coming June in Vancouver, BC with much anticipation. 
Posted 9 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]