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U2, one of my three favorites bands. But I ALWAYS skip this song when I listen to this CD.
This rocks. . .
I think I like the IDEA of Bono, but not so much in action... it's not so much the music (I think I have Joshua Tree somewhere), it's just everything else. Did anyone see that South Park? 
Also, I couldn't help looking for Physicsgenius's comment on this U2 song, they make my day.
Also, I couldn't help looking for Physicsgenius's comment on this U2 song, they make my day. Faterson wrote:
I agree about Yahweh. I always skip this track.
I generally love this band's stuff and this song is great. (Even better is Yahweh, the final song from the same album. Bill should add it to the playlist!)
I agree about Yahweh. I always skip this track.
I think I better get this album. Nice.
copymonkey wrote:
Copymonkey, You are my hero :D
What's great about all this faceless online puffery, is that it's even MORE useless than run-of-the-mill flame wars. In the end it's obvious that Bill likes U2 and will continue to play them no matter how loud you jackasses howl or how many times you childishly attempt to manipulate the song ratings.
Keep typing numbnutses and I'll keep enjoying one of the greatest bands in rock history.
Keep typing numbnutses and I'll keep enjoying one of the greatest bands in rock history.
Copymonkey, You are my hero :D
What's great about all this faceless online puffery, is that it's even MORE useless than run-of-the-mill flame wars. In the end it's obvious that Bill likes U2 and will continue to play them no matter how loud you jackasses howl or how many times you childishly attempt to manipulate the song ratings.
Keep typing numbnutses and I'll keep enjoying one of the greatest bands in rock history.
lingchih wrote:
I quite like it. But then I liked Pop too.
we are voices in the wilderness, apparently.
EssexTex wrote:
When was there ever much right with U2? talk about over rated hype, cliche and obscure self-important references.
What the hell went wrong with U2?
When was there ever much right with U2? talk about over rated hype, cliche and obscure self-important references.
jingjoh wrote:
I might have even listened to this if "The Edge" would ever master even a slightly different guitar riff than he has played over and over for the last 15 years. Same style, same chord progressions, same effects...yawn.
Oh, and many of us would also be grateful if Bobo would lose those goofy shades.
Did somebody already say "pretentiousness". I think so.
"Bobo"!....LoL It suits him!
I quite like it. But then I liked Pop too.
What the hell went wrong with U2?
On mute now, first time ever on RP for me.
This song is a minus 1.
This song live was levels above the studio version.
jmsmy wrote:
I saw this live in 2005. U2 is just amazing live
U2 come on go back to your roots!! War..Boy...Unforgetable Fire!!! 
This stuff is crap!! 
Faterson wrote:
I generally love this band's stuff and this song is great.
(Even better is Yahweh, the final song from the same album. Bill should add it to the playlist!)
Bill should play Mercy, which has sat on the play list, unplayed, for years. And that's easily the best track they've done in years. It's 6 or 7 minutes of bliss.
I generally love this band's stuff and this song is great.
(Even better is Yahweh, the final song from the same album. Bill should add it to the playlist!)
I enjoy and respect U2, but this song is so grating.
I generally love this band's stuff but this song sucks.
tiggers wrote:
You said it was a 4, but you voted it a 1 to bring its rating down and I am the one being ridiculous. 
If it helps, I voted it a 1 because it's sucko-barfo.
I saw this live in 2005. U2 is just amazing live
Smoove_D wrote:
Well, this is just ridiculous. How simply do I have to put it? I'm giving the SONG a 1 to bring down the SONG'S rating. I might not be rating the song ACCURATELY, but I am still rating the SONG.
You accused me of rating the BAND, which I am not doing. Whether or not you approve of my method of voting, I am indeed voting on the SONG, not the BAND.
You said it was a 4, but you voted it a 1 to bring its rating down and I am the one being ridiculous.
tiggers wrote:
No you weren't. You said it was worth a 4 but you would give it a 1 so you were NOT rating the song were you? Is that really so difficult for you to understand?
Well, this is just ridiculous. How simply do I have to put it? I'm giving the SONG a 1 to bring down the SONG'S rating. I might not be rating the song ACCURATELY, but I am still rating the SONG.
You accused me of rating the BAND, which I am not doing. Whether or not you approve of my method of voting, I am indeed voting on the SONG, not the BAND.
Smoove_D wrote:
I WAS rating the song, numbnuts
No you weren't. You said it was worth a 4 but you would give it a 1 so you were NOT rating the song were you? Is that really so difficult for you to understand?
tiggers wrote:
What a stupid comment. As someone else said on another U2 thread "rate the song not the band numbnuts"
Hmmm...where in my comment did I say I was rating the band? I happen to like U2 quite a bit. Well, I like good U2, anyway.
I WAS rating the song, numbnuts, and I'm standing by my comment. In the name of good taste, I don't think this should be played anymore when there's much better U2 available, so I'm dragging the overall rating down as far as I can. I hate to burst your bubble, but this happens all the time.
I got as far as the first two words, then mute! Do without.
NorthernLad wrote:
I think Fidel is actually thinking of handing over the reins to Bono.
That would be a good idea. Really.
Smoove_D wrote:
I think this song deserves about a 4, but I shall give it a 1, just to bring the overall rating down as much as possible.
What a stupid comment. As someone else said on another U2 thread "rate the song not the band numbnuts"
bobringer wrote:
Until U2 goes all out disco ala late 70's stones... I'm with MonkeysDad...
It's the consistency that the Stones (who I really like BTW) can't even come close to. U2 has consistently been good for 25 years now. Hard to find a 25 year period for the Stones like that.
Popular for the last 25 years. Good is a matter of opinion.
Matts wrote:
post MTV U2 fame, spoiled band, and stupid iPod commercials, good ? maybe, original ? not sure. I really miss the old U2
Amen.
Smoove_D wrote: I kid! I kid!
I think this song deserves about a 4, but I shall give it a 1, just to bring the overall rating down as much as possible.
I myself try not to stoop to my own level. In public.
post MTV U2 fame, spoiled band, and stupid iPod commercials, good ? maybe, original ? not sure. I really miss the old U2
I think this song deserves about a 4, but I shall give it a 1, just to bring the overall rating down as much as possible.
aquadonia wrote: I am in love with U2, and I am in love with this song. 
It just moves me and I've got to sing along. If I ever get a band together, I'm doing this song, dammit! 
Long Live U2!
Yeah!
It just moves me and I've got to sing along. If I ever get a band together, I'm doing this song, dammit!
Long Live U2! I might have even listened to this if "The Edge" would ever master even a slightly different guitar riff than he has played over and over for the last 15 years. Same style, same chord progressions, same effects...yawn.
Oh, and many of us would also be grateful if Bobo would lose those goofy shades.
Did somebody already say "pretentiousness". I think so.
Pretentious crapola. Spare us.
U2 would be a more attractive band without all the grandiosity.
one of the best songs of U's latest album, some seems very week and full of deja-vu's but this one show the strenght that made U2 what they are today
tony620d wrote:
peace sells, but whos buying?
Megadeath, naturally.
I think Fidel is actually thinking of handing over the reins to Bono.
goo wrote:
houstoib wrote:
I think I have to agree Goo. Matter of fact, Bono was just in the news promoting taking care of the poor to church leaders around the world. Pretty cool if you ask me.
The song name just gives me the willies. Love and Peace or Else? Or else what? Bono's an idiot.
I think you misunderstand his point. "Or else" isn't intended as a threat...it's warning...if we fail to keep the Peace, bad things will happen for everyone. I think that's all he is saying here...It's an obvious point but one worth repeating. Anyway, Bono isn't an idiot. He's actually a pretty good song writer and a great performer. houstoib wrote:
The song name just gives me the willies. Love and Peace or Else? Or else what? Bono's an idiot.
I think you misunderstand his point. "Or else" isn't intended as a threat...it's warning...if we fail to keep the Peace, bad things will happen for everyone. I think that's all he is saying here...It's an obvious point but one worth repeating. Anyway, Bono isn't an idiot. He's actually a pretty good song writer and a great performer.
Farquwaar wrote:
Your kidding right? That sounds backwards...U2 hopes they're still around in another 20 years. The Stones have been at it for 40 some years!!!
Until U2 goes all out disco ala late 70's stones... I'm with MonkeysDad...
It's the consistency that the Stones (who I really like BTW) can't even come close to. U2 has consistently been good for 25 years now. Hard to find a 25 year period for the Stones like that.
tony620d wrote:
love and peace or else? or else what? sounds like a violent threat. self righteous fools.
Monkeysdad wrote:
I think it depends on the song, album, etc. as to how great or mediocre they are.
I bet the Stones would give the skin off their back for a run like U2 has had.
Good point. I can't think of another band that, first, has retained all of its original members for so long, and, second, been so successful for so long. Amazing.
Sorry to those who like this song. I just had to hit "mute" again. One of U2's worst, IMHO.
Monkeysdad wrote:
I think it depends on the song, album, etc. as to how great or mediocre they are.
I bet the Stones would give the skin off their back for a run like U2 has had.
Your kidding right? That sounds backwards...U2 hopes they're still around in another 20 years. The Stones have been at it for 40 some years!!!
dmax wrote:
You know, for the greatest band in the world or whatever they think they are, they really are mediocre, aren't they?
I think it depends on the song, album, etc. as to how great or mediocre they are.
I bet the Stones would give the skin off their back for a run like U2 has had.
I think Bono forgot some grouping. Which is it?
(Love and Peace) or Else
or:
Love and (Peace or Else)
I like the 2nd because then you could end up with "Love and Else".
I'm a huge U2 fan but this is one U2's weakest efforts. Of all the great tracks they have... how did this one sneak into the library?
Bono + Edge = 
Awful! One of U2's worst tracks. Thank God for Belly!
It just moves me and I've got to sing along. If I ever get a band together, I'm doing this song, dammit!
Long Live U2!
hufferer wrote:
The or else is a little heavy for most, yes, but the message is easy to figure out. It is so much easier to spread Love, and it will make you feel better instead of worse.
Elsupreme wrote:I don't think you get it, Love and Peace or ....
well hate and war would be the natural answers, and what good does that do. Or perhaps you are part of the indifferent club. All he is saying is the alternatives to love and peace are well worse and therefore a punishment.
I could be mistaken, give me something better than love and peace, besides chips and salsa, and beer and pizza.
Uhhhhh, my statement was sarcasm on how blatantly obvious, and uncreative, this title is. Honestly, this is something a 6 year-old would scribble in pink crayon on her coloring book. But of course, this meets my standards for Bono, who has a history of ludicrous song lyrics/titles.
"And it comes, like a hunted child"
"You left my heart, as empty as a vacant lot"
- a couple of winners there.
Perhaps I shall now refer you to here:
(click here)
The lyrics are great. But the song is about love while the music sounds like war. It hurts my ears.
houstoib wrote:
The song name just gives me the willies. Love and Peace or Else? Or else what? Bono's an idiot.
The or else is a little heavy for most, yes, but the message is easy to figure out. It is so much easier to spread Love, and it will make you feel better instead of worse.
houstoib wrote:
The song name just gives me the willies. Love and Peace or Else? Or else what? Bono's an idiot.
I don't think you get it, Love and Peace or ....
well hate and war would be the natural answers, and what good does that do. Or perhaps you are part of the indifferent club. All he is saying is the alternatives to love and peace are well worse and therefore a punishment.
I could be mistaken, give me something better than love and peace, besides chips and salsa, and beer and pizza.
BikeCoachDave wrote:
My single LEAST favorite song on this album. I hit the skip button when I hear this one comin on. Sorry, I give it a 2 at best.
Gotta disagree.
I love that guitar ripping in. A completely different sound for U2 when they do that.
The song name just gives me the willies. Love and Peace or Else? Or else what? Bono's an idiot.
My single LEAST favorite song on this album. I hit the skip button when I hear this one comin on. Sorry, I give it a 2 at best.
IceNine wrote:
This is one of the few songs that I like from the album. Actually, after hearing the entire album, I scanned the liner notes and it turns out that the ones I liked had some tinkering done by Daniel Lanois. Quite sad really, when you consider that the hype surrounding this album was all based on the fact that Steve Lillywhite was returning to produce, and his work has turned out to be rather underwhelming, in my opinion (except for Vertigo, that one rocked).
as i've written before, Lanois is a genius and anything he touches 'shines'......the man is a gem, glad you picked that up here....
pretentious, pompous and boring
if they weren't well known as a band, this would bomb
wink
This is one of the few songs that I like from the album. Actually, after hearing the entire album, I scanned the liner notes and it turns out that the ones I liked had some tinkering done by Daniel Lanois. Quite sad really, when you consider that the hype surrounding this album was all based on the fact that Steve Lillywhite was returning to produce, and his work has turned out to be rather underwhelming, in my opinion (except for Vertigo, that one rocked).
On the way home, I heard Beautiful Day... I'm home now to hear U2 again. Good way to end a day of work after a holiday. I don't want to work...I just want to bang on the drum all day! 
One day the lottery:)
One day the lottery:)peace sells, but whos buying?
Most disappointing thing about this album..... Bono looks like Geddy Lee on the cover!
once again, i cant agree with this hyper POP music... to much recent to be allowed to pass here
Oh man, I thought this was Tones On Tail for a second. Quelle bummer.
this song is amazing. it's been described as "Led Zeppelin playing rockabilly in a dumpster" ... how badass is that?
and i also like that, whether it's positive or negative, U2 never ceases to inspire passionate responses.
rock on, rock on - and comment away!
physicsgenius wrote:
Darn. I'm always excited when I see a U2 song on the list because maybe I haven't rated it yet. But this already has a 1, so I'm forced to write a comment to express how deeply, deeply tired of this band I am.
Your comment is causing a BIG smile on my face
Darn. I'm always excited when I see a U2 song on the list because maybe I haven't rated it yet. But this already has a 1, so I'm forced to write a comment to express how deeply, deeply tired of this band I am.
You heard the man - give it up! Drop your weapons and come out holding hands, or - or - or - I don't know what, but you don't wanna find out.
dtb wrote:
rock on bono; you still have it!
Ditto!
rock on bono; you still have it!
pousso wrote:
I tend to skip this song on the CD, but live it was fantastic!
I can buy that.
kazuma wrote:
I guess maybe they were going for kind of an Achtung vibe here ... or something. But the whole thing is really, really thin, and no amount of production tics and trickery can redeem it.
They just sound tired. Or out of ideas. Or both.
I tend to skip this song on the CD, but live it was fantastic!
I guess maybe they were going for kind of an Achtung vibe here ... or something. But the whole thing is really, really thin, and no amount of production tics and trickery can redeem it.
They just sound tired. Or out of ideas. Or both.
a video/flash animation type thing
(click here)
enjoy!
This is a good album, but I'm not especially fond of this song. Just having a good message is not sufficient to create a great song.
jlind wrote:
When will people realise U2 hasn't been good for a loooong time?
Perhaps after they haven't been good for a loooong time. However, that time is not now.
Nice, great song ....
jlind wrote:
When will people realise U2 hasn't been good for a loooong time?
I have no idea ... i thought the were good and timeless ... time proved i was wrong ... unlike many other bands ,,,
Oscar
When will people realise U2 hasn't been good for a loooong time?
Johray63 wrote:
The sound (production) and effects make this song impressive, but replace them by acoustic guitars and drums and there isn't much left, IMO.
Agreed. There's not much substance to this song. Probably the worst on the album.
The sound (production) and effects make this song impressive, but replace them by acoustic guitars and drums and there isn't much left, IMO.
Boosiewolf wrote: 
I've always thought this song would be good for...
that is so right! i think i'll request this the next time i go girlie bar hoppin'
I've always thought this song would be good for...
I've always thought this song would be good for...
tony620d wrote: 
hilarious!! 
Cookie wrote:
Actually, it is on the deluxe version of the US CD (the one with the book and the DVD). I concur that it is dynamite - I love its Spanish flavor! 
You can get it on iTunes as well. And I heard that they are starting to play in at their shows.
I haven't really listened to U2 since I was a teen in the 80's and I just picked up this album and I really like it. maybe I'm all old now, but I have to say I had a good time with this album. 
In what world would Edge & Bono flat out lie to their fans (The Strokes? The Vines? Rocks Hard?) In what world would they decide that what the mix needs is a tad more schlocky production? In what possible world would Bono (of all people!) write lyrics about his Father's death that would read like an entry from a pre-teen girl's diary?
BIZZARO- World, that's where! Clearly, our beloved U2 has been replaced by their mirror-Bizzaro world selves!
Or, maybe I'm the one who has switched places-- And U2 ALWAYS sucked in this world.
erik_1099 wrote:
"Love and Peace or Else" is one of the best songs on HTDAAB, though it's taken this long for me to get into it.
Fast Cars is also a dynamite track, included on international versions of the album, regrettably not on the US version.
Actually, it is on the deluxe version of the US CD (the one with the book and the DVD). I concur that it is dynamite - I love its Spanish flavor!
"Love and Peace or Else" is one of the best songs on HTDAAB, though it's taken this long for me to get into it.
Ok it is offical, I am officaly sick of this song. If you're going to play U2, how about something off Joshua Tree and not this new crap they're putting out.
Paikea wrote:
This is how I would describe U2:
https://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst
I'm sure you've seen it. If not...it's great.
while entertaining, i would have to disagree with the opinion that pantera is the only group that really rocks.....
tony620d wrote:
love and peace or else? or else what? sounds like a violent threat. self righteous fools.
Love & Peace or else people *DIE*....
Are you f@cking blind, man ?!!!
tony620d wrote:
love and peace or else? or else what? sounds like a violent threat. self righteous fools.
Yes, but IMO the song's narrator isn't anyone in U2
Reminds me a lot of "Spirit in the Sky." Gospel-rock with a driving fuzzed-up low-octave guitar riff.
"The only thing worse than U2 is a snobby U2 fan"
Thanks for the link Paikea!
Not a fan.
=;
I kinda think that this would have been better with the Edge singing, perhaps (although my exposure to his singing is somewhat limited). It seems to need a more monotone deeper vocal to showcase the grungy guitar.
love and peace or else? or else what? sounds like a violent threat. self righteous fools.
This is how I would describe U2:
https://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst
I'm sure you've seen it. If not...it's great.
There are U2 songs worthy of mention. Then there are others which should never see the light of day.
"Give us something else... or else"...
Any more, U2 sounds like some other band trying to sound like U2.
Just not that good.
brandog wrote:
Sucko Bono - we need a 0 just to increas the downward pull I can affect on the rating with my measly little vote - 1 just doesn't pull hard enough.
Don't really like U2 much, but I always wonder what all the fuss is over the rating of a song and its amalgamated effect on a numerical display on some website. This has some bearing on something?
Or is this type of feedback merely to impart the feel of making a difference?
pyxxel wrote:
U2 on the other hand keep changing all the time, knowing the risk of loosing some old, loyal fans. They are winning new ones each day though. I too had the feeling many times "this isn't my U2 any more" until I got used to their changed style.... happened with Joshua Tree, with Achtung Baby, Zooropa.... the point is, they are not MY U2, they have every right to search out new avenues, explore new directions... heck life is boring enough as it is, please God U2 won't get boring any time soon!
The problem is that the last 2 albums haven't been terribly forward looking. They both feel like they're mostly looking to the past (though the latest album is much better than the last one). But worse than that is the feeling that decisions are not based on whether a song is good, but on whether it will sell.
pyxxel wrote:
Hmmm I can understand that not everybody wants to go with all the twists and changes that U2 have taken.
But, consider this: there are way too many bands out there today who still play the same boring shite as they did 20 years ago, every bloody album sounds the same... it ain't bad, but it ain't original either any more.
U2 on the other hand keep changing all the time, knowing the risk of loosing some old, loyal fans. They are winning new ones each day though. I too had the feeling many times "this isn't my U2 any more" until I got used to their changed style.... happened with Joshua Tree, with Achtung Baby, Zooropa.... the point is, they are not MY U2, they have every right to search out new avenues, explore new directions... heck life is boring enough as it is, please God U2 won't get boring any time soon!
Opinions differ of course... if you don't like them any more, just let us have our 4 minutes of fun and wait for your new favourite music :)
Had to reply and say WELL SAID! What is it with poeple wanting to stay stuck in the same "sound" or "timezone of music"....you put it so well and I wholeheartedly agree. This particular song I just love, but not every later U2 song jazzes me but all music fans need to remember that everyone is fresh,strong and driven when you are 20 years old (site-Zepplin, Alanis, Billy Idol)and you change when you get older (hopefully you would) and become more discerning and refined. Your no longer in the same mindset as you were back then, ask any "aging" rocker. Three Cheers to U2 for evolving and lasting this long as a band who continually puts out new stuff!
flandersdog wrote:
I wish U2 had broken up ten or twelve years ago so that I could remember them fondly...
Hmmm I can understand that not everybody wants to go with all the twists and changes that U2 have taken.
But, consider this: there are way too many bands out there today who still play the same boring shite as they did 20 years ago, every bloody album sounds the same... it ain't bad, but it ain't original either any more.
U2 on the other hand keep changing all the time, knowing the risk of loosing some old, loyal fans. They are winning new ones each day though. I too had the feeling many times "this isn't my U2 any more" until I got used to their changed style.... happened with Joshua Tree, with Achtung Baby, Zooropa.... the point is, they are not MY U2, they have every right to search out new avenues, explore new directions... heck life is boring enough as it is, please God U2 won't get boring any time soon!
Opinions differ of course... if you don't like them any more, just let us have our 4 minutes of fun and wait for your new favourite music :)
spartan wrote:
I had the same experience--the album took a few listens, but it has really grown on me (more than ATYCLB). What finally won me on this song was seeing them in Seattle, where they used it as the opener. It really rocked, and I have enjoyed this song much more ever since.
Ahhh, I'd have loved to have seen that show.....They did the same with the song Elevation in '01 in Calgary. Talk about exhilarating
SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. 
stacadette wrote:
Suggestion: Put the cd in the car, get in car, drive down the highway (preferably an uncrowded one) with music turned up loud so as to allow the tunes and the words to drive you down the road.........! :)
sounds like an adventure to me! thanks.....
arighter2 wrote:
This album has really grown on me. However, this song seems to me to be one of the weaker offerings.
I had the same experience--the album took a few listens, but it has really grown on me (more than ATYCLB). What finally won me on this song was seeing them in Seattle, where they used it as the opener. It really rocked, and I have enjoyed this song much more ever since.
arighter2 wrote:
This album has really grown on me. However, this song seems to me to be one of the weaker offerings.
Suggestion: Put the cd in the car, get in car, drive down the highway (preferably an uncrowded one) with music turned up loud so as to allow the tunes and the words to drive you down the road.........! :)
You heard the man. Fork 'em over - you there, with the peace, put it in the friggin' bag. The love, too. Now, dammit!
Just gimme what I want, and no one gets hurt.
This album has really grown on me. However, this song seems to me to be one of the weaker offerings.
ok bono, jump on the peace wagon, we get it. peace sells, but not enough buyers.
This rocks. . .
i agree - Rocks
dirty gritty ballsy