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haresfur

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Location: The Golden Triangle
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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 3:06pm

 R_P wrote:

I'm sure there's plenty of emphasis on the Christian God in that particular (private) school, however...
Kelley noted that white evangelical Protestants are not only more likely
to possess guns, but they are also less likely to support gun control.
They are also more inclined to address gun violence with policy
interventions that don’t reduce the amount or types of firearms such as
“expanded concealed carry laws, better mental health screenings and a
greater emphasis on God in public schools and society.”


It was a Presbyterian School. That's like Evangelical lite. 
R_P

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 2:48pm

 rgio wrote:
Religious beliefs are foundational freedom for all Americans and should be celebrated as possible, regardless of any inclination otherwise when watching this. 

I'm sure there's plenty of emphasis on the Christian God in that particular (private) school, however...
Kelley noted that white evangelical Protestants are not only more likely
to possess guns, but they are also less likely to support gun control.
They are also more inclined to address gun violence with policy
interventions that don’t reduce the amount or types of firearms such as
“expanded concealed carry laws, better mental health screenings and a
greater emphasis on God in public schools and society.”
Then there's rural vs. urban attitudes towards guns.

islander

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 2:02pm

 rgio wrote:

These are the kids and adults who've had their lives shattered today.  It's amazing that we (me included) resort to joking about the absolute stupidity of these shooting




We tried, ranting, voting, protesting and a bunch of other things. We even briefly passed a law against assault weapons  ban, but it was difficult to quantify the impact and even at best only reduced shootings by ~25%, so we let that expire.  There has yet to be a proposal put forth that the gun lobby would accept, and they have been slow in pushing their own solutions, so what's left?  We can laugh, we can cry.
islander

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 1:56pm

 haresfur wrote:


Remove the doors and they will just kill people with windows


well then it's clear. Nothing will can be done.
rgio

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 1:36pm

These are the kids and adults who've had their lives shattered today.  It's amazing that we (me included) resort to joking about the absolute stupidity of these shootings.

This is as good as it gets in the US... a private ($16k/year) school in beautiful surroundings with engaged teachers and parents.  Religious beliefs are foundational freedom for all Americans and should be celebrated as possible, regardless of any inclination otherwise when watching this. 


Beaker

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 1:28pm

 haresfur wrote:


Remove the doors and they will just kill people with windows


Windows are super deadly in Russia.
haresfur

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 1:27pm

 islander wrote:

Check your bill of rights / constitution, I don't  think doors have specific protection with ambuguities attached. So they can be regulated. 



Remove the doors and they will just kill people with windows
rgio

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 1:20pm

 islander wrote:

Check your bill of rights / constitution, I don't  think doors have specific protection with ambuguities attached. So they can be regulated. 


You are correct.  Doors have no such protections.   We can remove doors, and use ladders to scale the walls we'll have when there are no doors.  

Schools will finally feel more like the prisons they've been accused of being for centuries.   I'm sure it'll help with the robust mental health of our children.

islander

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 1:09pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


No, no... doors are things - we can't ban things.

Check your bill of rights / constitution, I don't  think doors have specific protection with ambuguities attached. So they can be regulated. 

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 1:06pm

 islander wrote:


She entered through a door. So clearly we need to ban doors.


No, no... doors are things - we can't ban things.
islander

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 1:03pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

more dead kids

MURICA!



She entered through a door. So clearly we need to ban doors.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 27, 2023 - 11:43am

more dead kids

MURICA!
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 24, 2023 - 4:06am

 black321 wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Um, like you in another thread, I was being facetious.  Do go back and look at who and what I responding to. I am all for personal responsibility.  Isn't that one of the major differences between being an adult and a juvenile ?  I had to look up existentialism to understand what you were getting at by taking my remark seriously.  Interesting concept.  Sounds like the justifying principal for the creation of the Nanny State if I understand the concept properly.
Try Camus, The Guest
 
Hmmm.  Interesting to say the least.  I'll let it sit in my head for a time before I look up discussions on this to see how my thoughts meld (if at all) with those analysis.

This would have been very interesting if it was part of the business ethics section I took.  It would take the classic dilemma of stealing that loaf of bread to a much different place.

I will get back to you on this.
black321

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 8:22pm

 kurtster wrote:

Um, like you in another thread, I was being facetious.  Do go back and look at who and what I responding to.

I am all for personal responsibility.  Isn't that one of the major differences between being an adult and a juvenile ? 

I had to look up existentialism to understand what you were getting at by taking my remark seriously.  Interesting concept.  Sounds like the justifying principal for the creation of the Nanny State if I understand the concept properly.
Try Camus, The Guest


kurtster

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 6:55pm

 black321 wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

How about we just outlaw personal responsibility and make it simple ?
Sounds like you're an existentialist. 
 
Um, like you in another thread, I was being facetious.  Do go back and look at who and what I responding to.

I am all for personal responsibility.  Isn't that one of the major differences between being an adult and a juvenile ? 

I had to look up existentialism to understand what you were getting at by taking my remark seriously.  Interesting concept.  Sounds like the justifying principal for the creation of the Nanny State if I understand the concept properly.
westslope

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 4:15pm

 Steely_D wrote:

.... Oh, and why are kids feeling so hopeless these days, while we're at it?




Lack of exercise.   Too much processed food based on corn starch.  Social media makes them feel inadequate.

Steely_D

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 3:09pm

 rgio wrote:

I took it as a bit of sarcasm. 

Any suggestion of scarring only reinforces the absolute insanity of our existing policies and the vast majorities willingness to ignore common sense while allowing a very well organized and vocal minority to intentionally misinterpreting a 225 year old document.


Yep. I think it was wrong to teach all the kids during that period that there was 1) imminent horrible death any moment and 2) here's something that's your responsibility or you're doomed.

Same now. 1) There's this random shooter that's gonna come in one day although it's fantastically unlikely and 2) you need a bullet-proof backpack and A Plan or you'll be the one on the floor. All that anxiety laid on top of those absorbing minds, who haven't lived in this world for decades and can't contextualize things as likely or unlikely - they can only be as afraid as the "bleeds/ledes" media tell them to be. Oh, and why are kids feeling so hopeless these days, while we're at it?



westslope

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 1:12pm

 Steely_D wrote:

But how scarred are my generation that had to hide under the desks as practice for when the Commies drip The Big One?


drip The Big One?   Interesting typo.    Back then, limited regional nuclear war was not on the agenda.   Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) was intuitively and very thankfully understood by many.

Scarred?  Perhaps but unlikely.  Influenced?  Yes.   I am thankful.  Those of us privileged to live in rich western democracies enjoyed an unprecedented period of peace.  

Going forward, I see the world as much less secure and stable.   Limited regional nuclear war is far more likely due to US 'good guy versus bad buy' decisions on nuclear weapons proliferation.   Not all Americans will die, only 25 to 100 million depending.  

What is really scary Steely_D is that American political elites and voters appear to have a poor understanding of nuclear weapons technology and strategy.   Moreover, the same voters and political elites appear to believe that it is OK for the US and close allies, in particular Israel, to have an innate right to 'kill and take' and destroy the communities of others.  


rgio

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 12:39pm

 islander wrote:


Not sure where you are going with this but it's an odd sentiment - "back in my day, the threat of instant total anhelation was hanging over us. Now you kids only have to live with the statistically minimal chance of being gunned down. Plus, if it happens you'll probably have time to use your cell phones to call your parents and say goodbye".

I took it as a bit of sarcasm. 

Any suggestion of scarring only reinforces the absolute insanity of our existing policies and the vast majorities willingness to ignore common sense while allowing a very well organized and vocal minority to intentionally misinterpreting a 225 year old document.

NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 12:30pm

 islander wrote:


Not sure where you are going with this but it's an odd sentiment - "back in my day, the threat of instant total anhelation was hanging over us. Now you kids only have to live with the statistically minimal chance of being gunned down. Plus, if it happens you'll probably have time to use your cell phones to call your parents and say goodbye".

EM pulse. Not going to happen.

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