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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 11:23am

another responsible gun owner...
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Posted: Jan 13, 2020 - 9:01pm

The Trouble with Crime Statistics
Criminologists may disagree on questions of causality, but they agree that outsiders underestimate the complexity of criminology. “Everyone thinks they know what causes crime,” Sampson told me. Lauritsen concurred: “Everybody has a strong view that some factor is responsible, whether it’s video games, bad music, or sexist attitudes,” she said. Kleiman complained about the “very primitive models people have in their heads” when it comes to crime: “Most of those models imply that more severity of punishment is better, which is almost certainly false.” He went on, “Anyone who hasn’t studied this professionally has more confidence than they ought to have. You have to really look at it hard to see how confusing it is.”

Criminologists face a problem that’s common in many fields: overdetermination. Why does someone commit a crime? Was it peer pressure, poverty, a broken family, broken windows, bad genes, bad parenting, under-policing, leaded gasoline, Judas Priest? “You could just keep stepping back and back and back and back, and you wonder when, ultimately, you’re going to draw a line,” Lauritsen told me. “It could be drawn at probably thousands of points.” Criminologists aren’t the only researchers who study overdetermined subjects: biologists, who have long sought specific genes for diseases, have come to realize that many traits and illnesses may be “omnigenic”—determined by countless genes. The sociologist David Matza summed up the difficulty, in 1964: “When factors become too numerous, we are in the hopeless position of arguing that everything matters.”

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Posted: Dec 20, 2019 - 4:27am

Weep, Weep For Sad And Friendless Wayne LaPierre, He's Having A Real Hard Time
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Posted: Nov 15, 2019 - 8:16am



 islander wrote:
A 16 year old kid kills two, injures 3 others and then himself in a span of 16 seconds. It barely makes the news on the day it happens and isn't even front page on most major news sites the day after.

We are done.  Forget Trump, forget partisanship, forget climate change and economic arguments. We are at peak apathy and we deserve whatever is next.
 

well you know...impeachment time.  and the markets up, and that guy hit the other guy with a helmet
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Posted: Nov 15, 2019 - 7:00am

 islander wrote:
A 16 year old kid kills two, injures 3 others and then himself in a span of 16 seconds. It barely makes the news on the day it happens and isn't even front page on most major news sites the day after.

We are done.  Forget Trump, forget partisanship, forget climate change and economic arguments. We are at peak apathy and we deserve whatever is next.
 
As long as these bastards are giving these other bastards millions of dollars a year then nothing will change in this fine land we call America. Sadly. No excuses...Vote all these folks out that took the gun people's money for they each and everyone have blood on their hands that can never be washed away.
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Posted: Nov 15, 2019 - 6:54am

A 16 year old kid kills two, injures 3 others and then himself in a span of 16 seconds. It barely makes the news on the day it happens and isn't even front page on most major news sites the day after.

We are done.  Forget Trump, forget partisanship, forget climate change and economic arguments. We are at peak apathy and we deserve whatever is next.
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Posted: Oct 8, 2019 - 8:47am

Dick's Sporting Goods destroyed $5 million worth of assault rifles, CEO Ed Stack says
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Posted: Sep 23, 2019 - 9:25am

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Posted: Sep 22, 2019 - 2:36pm



 westslope wrote:


 

Ultimately I did not hurt or kill anybody.  Not sure that qualifies me.

Funny.  Globe-trotters  — young and old — from all over the world understood the strategy.  Only Americans would express absolute shock that I did not carry a gun......

The really brave Americans and Canadians are the ones that will cross busy intersections while texting or deeply absorbed in conversation....

 
Indeed. Here in Texas, Ford F-150's should have special permits...


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Posted: Sep 22, 2019 - 2:35pm



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...This is the before and after point. Maybe that is the reason for why the mid through the end of the 70's was so happy crazy. It was over, we could all relax at last and try and just get back to living and not worry about having to be drafted and all that goes with it. Family life changed, too. The point being that having to come to a conviction about how you are going to view the sanctity of life at a predetermined time is no longer forced. That is a big deal. Butterfly effect big. Those that had to think about guns in their future with no opt out and those since where it is an opt in. ?

Eh ? Does this make any sense ? Is it relevant to what you were asking ?
 




Thus I can't shake the feeling that some that missed it by the hair on their chin (pun intended) now tend to romanticize and glorify guns and gun culture. Remember Eric Cantwell in Charlottesville for the White Supremacist march? Before the march he filmed himself with his suitcase arsenal complete with tough guy rhetoric. But after the march, when a young woman lost her life and the city realized the danger and sought the marchers, we find videos of him locked in his hotel room, terrified and sobbing that the police were downstairs waiting for him. How quickly his demeanor turned when the stakes got very serious and very real. That what leads me to think too many are 'caught up' in the hegemony and disassociated from the reality.

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Posted: Sep 22, 2019 - 1:44pm



 islander wrote:

.......
 

You know that Snake Plissken is just a character in a movie right?
 

Ultimately I did not hurt or kill anybody.  Not sure that qualifies me.

Funny.  Globe-trotters  — young and old — from all over the world understood the strategy.  Only Americans would express absolute shock that I did not carry a gun......

The really brave Americans and Canadians are the ones that will cross busy intersections while texting or deeply absorbed in conversation....
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Posted: Sep 22, 2019 - 1:31pm

 islander wrote:
You know that Snake Plissken is just a character in a movie right?
 
I read Rambo's back too. Fighting the invaders...

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Posted: Sep 22, 2019 - 12:42pm



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islander:  I am not an American.  Celebrity narcissism is not my thing.

So, please, explain the reference.
 Snake...


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Posted: Sep 22, 2019 - 12:25pm



 islander wrote:

......
You know that Snake Plissken is just a character in a movie right?
 

islander:  I am not an American.  Celebrity narcissism is not my thing.

So, please, explain the reference.
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Posted: Sep 22, 2019 - 12:05pm



 westslope wrote:
kurtster,

Interesting anecdotes.   I know what it is like to enter a new room and put my back against the wall with a good view of the entrance.  
Argentinian federal police office shoot about metre to my right just to grab my attention, and then invite me over a meal at the end of our conversation.  A young man put a knife on my throat in downtown Bogota, Colombia.   

In general, there is nothing like a poor, uneducated peasant soldier pointing a G3 rifle at your chest to make you feel nervous.

I have implicitly threatened to kill people but never had to do so.  Proud of that one.  After half a decade of walking about South America and Africa, I came away with no knife scars or bullet holes.    I packed a short skinning blade, nothing else.  Aside from the impossibility of crossing borders, I would have been killed if I had carried a firearm.  

In August of 1981, I flew into NYC from Jo'Berg and on the bus from the airport into the city, and without a second thought read the street.    Well enough to maintain a running commentary if I had been called upon to do so.

Though to tell you the truth, after getting back and working briefly for United Farmers of America AFL-CIO in LA, I felt more nervous in East LA than I did in downtown Panama City or Colon.

more later....
 

You know that Snake Plissken is just a character in a movie right?
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Posted: Sep 22, 2019 - 10:49am

Nurse Jenny will be here soon with the bingo cards and markers.
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Posted: Sep 22, 2019 - 9:39am

kurtster,

Interesting anecdotes.   I know what it is like to enter a new room and put my back against the wall with a good view of the entrance.  

An Argentinian federal police office shot about metre to my right just to grab my attention, and then invited me over a meal at the end of our conversation.  A young man put a knife on my throat in downtown Bogota, Colombia.   

In general, there is nothing like a poor, uneducated peasant soldier pointing a G3 rifle at your chest to make you feel nervous.

I have implicitly threatened to kill people but never had to do so.  Proud of that one.  After half a decade of walking about South America and Africa, I came away with no knife scars or bullet holes.    I packed a short skinning blade, nothing else.  Aside from the impossibility of crossing borders, I would have been killed if I had carried a firearm.  

In August of 1981, I flew into NYC from Jo'Berg and on the bus from the airport into the city, and without a second thought read the street.    Well enough to maintain a running commentary if I had been called upon to do so.

Though to tell you the truth, after getting back and working briefly for United Farmers of America AFL-CIO in LA, I felt more nervous in East LA than I did in downtown Panama City or Colon.

more later....
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Posted: Sep 22, 2019 - 9:12am

 Isabeau wrote:
Wondering if some of the issues surrounding gun ownership and particularly semi-automatic weapons in 2019 is:

1. Because the draft ended just before similar aged friends had to go to war. (b: 1956 —) The lack of real war/military experience seems to have desensitized many to the gory reality.
Many  haven't been in conditions where they are facing others shooting at them or the guy next to him having his head blown off. From a military family, I've somewhat concluded that war can create those who become gun hobbyists (not violent shooters) and those who are wary of guns in the wrong hands. Then there are those forever changed and do have violent tendencies.
I've met more vets who are for reasonable regulation, as opposed to those without military experience, who feel almost personally threatened by regulations.
2. This same generation of men, seem to feel they were usurped of their somewhat dominate position 'over' women and people of color, like in 'Daddy's day.' They are angry that women no longer feel the need to marry or be married to have children, that people of color aren't as deferring as they were back in Dad's day, and they didn't get what they believed society entitled them to.
          2b: The resentment from this has resulted in a sense of the need to 'fight back' or intimidate to put those demographics back in 'their place.' They feel powerless, thus guns; ownership and rights to, particularly semi-automatics, is viewed as evening things up.
3. Yes, I am fully aware there are some badass women that feel the same about guns, but they don't seem to be as vocal and full of rage about it as the menfolk of that ilk.

Not married to these ideas, just curious to what some of you may think of these pseudo-conclusions. Definitely interested in hearing other perspectives regarding this line of thought.

PS: My father was a US Marine in Viet Nam, he was nearly blown apart by a bouncing betty mine in '67. He lost 13 men, the entire platoon in the blast. The VA stitched him back together, having lost his left eye, ear and arm. He manage to live another 40 years with those injuries. Despite his hard-ass persona, he did feel that training and respect for what these weapons were capable of were the keys to responsible gun ownership.
Healthy discussion desired here, not rage. 
Thnx peeps!
 
Hi

I'll take number 1 for now being a member of the Conscription Culture, those born before 1956.  Those who were born into a culture knowing that come age 18, you had to come to terms with how you would deal with the reality of being drafted, regardless of your personal views and forced to fight to kill and to defend yourself.  That all by itself meant skin in the game, you had to or better pay attention to life all around you because you had a decision to make come your 18th birthday regardless if you were ready or not, so you better be ready ...  Just how precious was life to you, the individual ?  And how do you feel about all (as in your fellow human beings) others in the same terms ?  And life that you may be responsible for bringing into this world. 

Then how strongly do you feel about your newly formalized standards ?  Are you going to roll the dice and accept being called up (2 years), enlist (4 years), go to school and delay, leave the country or go to jail if that is where it led ?  You lived with this hanging over your head until you reached age 26 and never had a deferment.  32 if you had a deferment.  Maybe this had an affect on self moderation and inhibiting violent reactions to keep your record clean in case you were drafted.

The smoke, smell and dust from WWII was still in air through the 50's.  Korea was ugly and scary.  M*A*S*H* came too late for us.  Viet Nam was still two words in the 60's.  People born since no longer had to pay attention as much and face that decision.  A paradigm shift and change in perceptions.  The year it became official was 1973 when the draft was officially ended.

So far as I think this through to answer is this is a significant point in time to look for a change in trends and thinking.  This is the before and after point.  Maybe that is the reason for why the mid through the end of the 70's was so happy crazy.  It was over, we could all relax at last and try and just get back to living and not worry about having to be drafted and all that goes with it.  Family life changed, too.  The point being that having to come to a conviction about how you are going to view the sanctity of life at a predetermined time is no longer forced.  That is a big deal.  Butterfly effect big.  Those that had to think about guns in their future with no opt out and those since where it is an opt in. ??

Eh ?  Does this make any sense ?  Is it relevant to what you were asking ?

To the couple of us who are of this generation, did I reasonably describe what turning 18 meant to you in terms of the draft and life in general ?
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Posted: Sep 21, 2019 - 6:22pm



 steeler wrote:
. . .
Everyone is shaped, in significant part, by their life experiences. We all have them and they do have an impact upon the prism through which we view events and people. The trick is in giving proper credence to your own life experiences and those of others. Not an easy matter striking the proper balance.
 
 



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Posted: Sep 21, 2019 - 9:37am

Two points:

I have never owned a gun. Have never fired one. I would concede readily that I do not understand the mechanics (writ large) of guns. I do not believe any of what I just stated disqualifies me from engaging in the ongoing national discussion about guns and their impact upon and place In our society

Everyone is shaped, in significant part, by their life experiences. We all have them and they do have an impact upon the prism through which we view events and people. The trick is in giving proper credence to your own life experiences and those of others. Not an easy matter striking the proper balance.
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