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Posted: Jan 29, 2020 - 11:11am

The Posterior of the United States
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Posted: Aug 6, 2019 - 5:58am



 miamizsun wrote:


broadly speaking

up until about three or four hundred years ago the world was ruled by queens, kings, tsars, emperors, chieftains, etc.

some sort of tribal leader, usually with very bad manners

on a good day harsh brutality was the rule 

there were conquerors and the conquered

if we go back far enough, it's highly likely that we're all descended from one of the two classes (or both)

people/the masses were a resource to be farmed, traded, poached, pillaged and raped

we've made a lot of progress since then

i say we keep it up, keep moving forward

who is with me?
 

Me. I ain't even gonna lie about that...I am the only person who can stop me...
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Posted: Aug 6, 2019 - 5:54am

 miamizsun wrote:


broadly speaking

up until about three or four hundred years ago the world was ruled by queens, kings, tsars, emperors, chieftains, etc.

some sort of tribal leader, usually with very bad manners

on a good day harsh brutality was the rule 

there were conquerors and the conquered

if we go back far enough, it's highly likely that we're all descended from one of the two classes (or both)

people/the masses were a resource to be farmed, traded, poached, pillaged and raped

we've made a lot of progress since then

i say we keep it up, keep moving forward

who is with me?
 
I'm with you.  The glass is more than half full, it is filled with gratitude which is the true nectar of the Gods!{#Cheers}
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Posted: Aug 6, 2019 - 5:37am

 Proclivities wrote:
I was just making a rough guess anyhow - I didn't look into it very deeply.  It seemed that Poland had been invaded so many times throughout history that maybe its citizens were enslaved at some points but that they may never have enslaved others, I guess not.  I came across an interest fact that Iceland (though then part of the Danish Kingdom) abolished slavery in the 12th Century.
 

broadly speaking

up until about three or four hundred years ago the world was ruled by queens, kings, tsars, emperors, chieftains, etc.

some sort of tribal leader, usually with very bad manners

on a good day harsh brutality was the rule 

there were conquerors and the conquered

if we go back far enough, it's highly likely that we're all descended from one of the two classes (or both)

people/the masses were a resource to be farmed, traded, poached, pillaged and raped

we've made a lot of progress since then

i say we keep it up, keep moving forward

who is with me?
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Posted: Aug 5, 2019 - 5:42am

 Proclivities wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

No there is no prize.  And both Poland and Switzerland fail to make the grade.

Switzerland still has problems with human chattel and was very much involved in the slave trade that we are all too familiar with.

Child labour in Switzerland

Switzerland played key role in the slave trade

and when you get down to Poland, it is hard to say that it was a real country before the end of WW I and really not until 1989.  That said, Poland had many problems with human chattel aka serfdom throughout its long history since 900 AD.

Slavery in Poland
 

I was just making a rough guess anyhow - I didn't look into it very deeply.  It seemed that Poland had been invaded so many times throughout history that maybe its citizens were enslaved at some points but that they may never have enslaved others, I guess not.  I came across an interest fact that Iceland (though then part of the Danish Kingdom) abolished slavery in the 12th Century.
 
Not to mention the Poles persecution of Jews.  They took up where the Nazis left off after WWII.  Could you imagine the horror of being a Polish Jew and thinking your troubles are over after the demise of the Nazis?  They described it as shifting sand.{#Sad}
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Posted: Aug 4, 2019 - 9:02am



 kurtster wrote:
(Post and link about American exceptionalism)
 

Two points about that analysis: (1) many Americans — perhaps most — believe that the term means America and Americans  are superior. (2) the American evolution continues; yet many are against that— sometimes citing or alluding to American exceptionalism as the reason for their opposition.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2019 - 5:50am



 kurtster wrote:

No there is no prize.  And both Poland and Switzerland fail to make the grade.

Switzerland still has problems with human chattel and was very much involved in the slave trade that we are all too familiar with.

Child labour in Switzerland

Switzerland played key role in the slave trade

and when you get down to Poland, it is hard to say that it was a real country before the end of WW I and really not until 1989.  That said, Poland had many problems with human chattel aka serfdom throughout its long history since 900 AD.

Slavery in Poland
 

I was just making a rough guess anyhow - I didn't look into it very deeply.  It seemed that Poland had been invaded so many times throughout history that maybe its citizens were enslaved at some points but that they may never have enslaved others, I guess not.  I came across an interest fact that Iceland (though then part of the Danish Kingdom) abolished slavery in the 12th Century.
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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 - 7:56pm


Red_Dragon wrote:
Simple truth is this nation was founded on racist, chattel slavery and racist genocide. So, American exceptionalism is..... well.... utter bullshit.
  
 kurtster wrote:

And the rest of the world in the 17th and 18th centuries was better, right ?  Right ...

Oh student of history that you say you are, name a country founded before 1800 that was not founded under the terms you state above and has never allowed or engaged in the practice of human chattel or slavery of any kind.
  

Red_Dragon wrote:
You're making my point for me. There is nothing exceptional about this one.
  

 
The simple truth is that you have no idea what you are talking about.  You are misusing the term American exceptionalism just as you do with fascism and many others.

American exceptionalism has to do with the evolution of this country since its founding, not its founding.  However, it could not have happened without its basic founding principles. 

You seek to discredit the founding of this country by taking it out of the context of the world in that time and judge it by itself with today's standards of behaviour.  You'll have to try some other way.  This country was founded with the best of intentions by men trying to do the right thing the best that they could in the world of their day and anticipate the future of human behaviour with rules for the government as how to manage it.  I think that they did a pretty good job.  You on the other hand, invalidate all of them and the founding of this nation simply because some were slave owners.  That is what I got out of your statement FWIW.

Here, try this for an understanding of the term you throw around just so you can justify your vitriolic language about people that you blindly hate based upon your clearly over emotional driving forces.

What, exactly, is 'American exceptionalism'?

As usual, you are most guilty of the things that you accuse others of.

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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 - 7:42pm

 Proclivities wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

And the rest of the world in the 17th and 18th centuries was better, right ?  Right ...

Oh student of history that you say you are, name a country founded before 1800 that was not founded under the terms you state above and has never allowed or engaged in the practice of human chattel or slavery of any kind.
 
Tough question - maybe Poland or Switzerland?  There's not a prize, is there?

 
No there is no prize.  And both Poland and Switzerland fail to make the grade.

Switzerland still has problems with human chattel and was very much involved in the slave trade that we are all too familiar with.

Child labour in Switzerland

Switzerland played key role in the slave trade

and when you get down to Poland, it is hard to say that it was a real country before the end of WW I and really not until 1989.  That said, Poland had many problems with human chattel aka serfdom throughout its long history since 900 AD.

Slavery in Poland
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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 - 6:32am

 Proclivities wrote:

Tough question - maybe Poland or Switzerland?  There's not a prize, is there?

 
Perhaps they are worthy of being considered exceptional...
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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 - 6:25am



 kurtster wrote:

And the rest of the world in the 17th and 18th centuries was better, right ?  Right ...

Oh student of history that you say you are, name a country founded before 1800 that was not founded under the terms you state above and has never allowed or engaged in the practice of human chattel or slavery of any kind.
 
Tough question - maybe Poland or Switzerland?  There's not a prize, is there?

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Posted: Aug 3, 2019 - 6:00am

 kurtster wrote:

And the rest of the world in the 17th and 18th centuries was better, right ?  Right ...

Oh student of history that you say you are, name a country founded before 1800 that was not founded under the terms you state above and has never allowed or engaged in the practice of human chattel or slavery of any kind.
 
You're making my point for me. There is nothing exceptional about this one.
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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 - 7:28pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Simple truth is this nation was founded on racist, chattel slavery and racist genocide. So, American exceptionalism is..... well.... utter bullshit.
 
And the rest of the world in the 17th and 18th centuries was better, right ?  Right ...

Oh student of history that you say you are, name a country founded before 1800 that was not founded under the terms you state above and has never allowed or engaged in the practice of human chattel or slavery of any kind.
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Posted: Aug 2, 2019 - 4:48pm

Simple truth is this nation was founded on racist, chattel slavery and racist genocide. So, American exceptionalism is..... well.... utter bullshit.
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Posted: May 31, 2019 - 9:37am

"On January 2, 1933, Fritzi's niece Nancy appeared as a houseguest and eventually overtook the strip...There was never a sequence of episodes exploring Fritzi's adoption of Nancy or what happened to Nancy's parents; she just seemed to appear as Fritzi's niece and gradually was seen more and more often..."
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Posted: Feb 9, 2019 - 10:54am



 sirdroseph wrote:
Yea who at Gucci approved this and even this week with all of the blackface controversy?

{#Eek}
 

It's been withdrawn
and Gucci offered some sort of apology.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2019 - 9:18am

Yea who at Gucci approved this and even this week with all of the blackface controversy??{#Eek}


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Posted: Feb 9, 2019 - 12:04am

A New Americanism
Why a Nation Needs a National Story
(...) “The history of the United States at the present time does not seek to answer any significant questions,” Degler told his audience some three decades ago. If American historians don’t start asking and answering those sorts of questions, other people will, he warned. They’ll echo Calhoun and Douglas and Father Coughlin. They’ll lament “American carnage.” They’ll call immigrants “animals” and other states “shithole countries.” They’ll adopt the slogan “America first.” They’ll say they can “make America great again.” They’ll call themselves “nationalists.” Their history will be a fiction. They will say that they alone love this country. They will be wrong.

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Posted: May 4, 2017 - 11:56am

 Proclivities wrote:
“Operation Hideaway”
"...Thomas and Madge Powner, along with their three children (the oldest was five-and-a-half, the youngest not quite two) entered an eight foot by nine foot bunker located in the basement of Princeton’s psych building on July 31. The shelter contained a double bed for the kids, while their parents made do with a mattress on the floor. There was a chemical toilet (which, it was later noted, didn’t “decompose, destroy or in any way get rid of waste materials”), a hand-cranked ventilator, 38 large jars of water, and canned and packaged food. The only light came from candles and flashlights. Food was heated using a chafing dish set over a candle, a process that took up to 90 minutes. There was also a “panic button” that could be used to stop the experiment at any time..."
shelter

 
The house across the street from us had one (I think it was homemade from an oilfield tank) up into the mid-70s, when the old man died and the family dug it out to make the house sellable. I don't recall anyone seeing inside and saying it was in any way "neat." Not like this illustration, that's for sure. More like an old oil tank with a bucket and a camp chair at the bottom.
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Posted: May 4, 2017 - 10:49am

“Operation Hideaway”
"...Thomas and Madge Powner, along with their three children (the oldest was five-and-a-half, the youngest not quite two) entered an eight foot by nine foot bunker located in the basement of Princeton’s psych building on July 31. The shelter contained a double bed for the kids, while their parents made do with a mattress on the floor. There was a chemical toilet (which, it was later noted, didn’t “decompose, destroy or in any way get rid of waste materials”), a hand-cranked ventilator, 38 large jars of water, and canned and packaged food. The only light came from candles and flashlights. Food was heated using a chafing dish set over a candle, a process that took up to 90 minutes. There was also a “panic button” that could be used to stop the experiment at any time..."
shelter
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