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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 9:31pm



 islander wrote:


 kurtster wrote:


Just a place holder for a serious reply to you. I have some responses to other posts you've made that are sitting in some open windows, but other people would just roll their eyes. I may just pm them to you.

back subsequently

 

Here's an organizational idea for your thoughts:






 

Shirley this: 





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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 6:48pm

 R_P wrote:

Is he called Jim?
 
This guy ?


or this guy ?

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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 6:31pm

 kurtster wrote:
Hey while you're here, I know a guy...
 
Is he called Jim?
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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 6:26pm

 R_P wrote:
Tags. You forgot pussies and poseurs.
 
If the shoe fits then wear it. 

Hey while you're here, I know a guy that has some organic paper clips and claims that they will help fight climate change because they are biodegradable.  Be careful though, I think he is a con man.  They look to me like they will petrify not biodegrade.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 5:43pm

 kurtster wrote:
And to be clear, my tag of thermometer watchers...

Tags
. You forgot pussies and poseurs.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 4:57pm

 islander wrote:


 kurtster wrote:


Just a place holder for a serious reply to you. I have some responses to other posts you've made that are sitting in some open windows, but other people would just roll their eyes. I may just pm them to you.

back subsequently

 

Here's an organizational idea for your thoughts:

 
So this is your idea for organic paper clips ?  Me thinks you've been rudderless for too long and yer scuppers are getting really rusty.
islander

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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 4:44pm



 kurtster wrote:


Just a place holder for a serious reply to you. I have some responses to other posts you've made that are sitting in some open windows, but other people would just roll their eyes. I may just pm them to you.

back subsequently

 

Here's an organizational idea for your thoughts:






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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 4:39pm

 westslope wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
......

So in conclusion, we have indeed reached a point where turmoil in the Middle East no longer has a major impact on the price of oil, even in the short, short term.  Ok, if the Straits of Hormuz were shut down, that would have a major impact, but even that would not last very long because they would be reopened very quickly, at Iran's expense.  I still maintain that Iran is very unlikely to do anything to shut down the straits because it would also affect their ability to export their own oil. 

No.  Not all.  The Mid East oil price premium is back in effect.  As stated earlier, oil markets are currently well supplied and Trump's attempts to slow the global economy have been very successful.  Demand growth for oil is slowing.

kurtster:  Do you understand the geography of the Mid-East?  Iran straddles the Strait of Hormuz.  Iran has a number of oil export terminals on the Gulf of Oman side of the Strait.
........

 Again, look what Hillary did to Libya.  Libya and the surrounding region has been permanently destabilized because France (alone) was so dependent on Sweet Libyan Crude for their domestic crude supplies that they begged the USA to go in and do the heavy lifting that they and the rest of the EU were unable to do to affect their needed ends in Libya.  Obama's lead from behind policy ...

So thanks Donald, for having a clue and a plan and not having an itchy trigger finger. 

.......
 
Hillary did to Libya?   No.  Look at what the Europeans did to Libya with American help.  Not sure that President Obama could have refused the European request given preceding history of sacrificing European lives in Afghanistan.

As for the Donald, his undisciplined mouth already did some damage.  His calmer reflections suggests somebody who vacillates quickly and is not concerned about peace and security but rather his re-election.    It signals weakness.

 
Just a place holder for a serious reply to you.  I have some responses to other posts you've made that are sitting in some open windows, but other people would just roll their eyes.  I may just pm them to you.

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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 4:33pm

 rgio wrote:

Kurt, apparently, those who know think the reduction isn't Trump based.... https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Why-Oil-Prices-Just-Fell-6.html

If you go to some other articles on that site, you'll note that geopolitical instability is generating a risk premium on futures, and that the Russians are moving into Iraq while we saber rattle with Iran.

As for the plan....c'mon?  The only plan he has is to do anything and everything he thinks necessary to get re-elected.  Oil prices go up....do whatever to fix it.  Stock market goes down after trade tweets...blame the Fed.   Background checks....good idea....I mean maybe a good idea....wait....they don't really work.

Believing in global warming doesn't mean you hope for instability and crisis, it means you support long term programs to reduce the impact of energy use.  To a certain extent you're right....if you really worried about the environment would you fly to Europe or drive a car for short trips...probably not.  That doesn't mean you celebrate hostilities by others.  The group most scared by the jump in prices was in the white house...not environmentalists.  
 
I only gave Trump credit for actually doing the things that advanced our energy independence to being reality rather than bs and empty rhetoric we have heard for so long from so many promising the same and for the opportunity it gives all of us to take a deep breath before reacting to a serious provocation and act of war.  The markets took care of themselves.

Yes actually achieving energy independence requires a plan.  You think it was an accident ?  Obama said it would take at least 10 years to get enough USA sources on line to begin thinking about it.  Trump has already got it done.   

And to be clear, my tag of thermometer watchers is only directed at those who so casually and maliciously throw around the term denier and its variations at people they want to shut up and go away.  It is not directed at anyone else such as those who are genuinely concerned, but still are respectful to others in conversations on the subject of climate change or what ever it is called these days.  Call me a denier, I'll call you a thermometer watcher.  Pretty simple.  I can think of very demeaning terms to use instead of thermometer watcher, but I just want to make a point and not be mean in the process.

To address another comment made below about our strategic energy reserves.  Our energy supply is unaffected and the use of the reserve is not necessary right now other than to fill in the gap in international supplies as a price protector should that be needed.  Its use is not presently needed.  Saying that its use is available is just reminding everyone that we now have more control of oil than the rest of the world may be aware of.  And peacefully so.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 3:41pm



 kurtster wrote:
 The whole flipping world is better off and safer because the USA is energy independent. 
 

Of course, the oil reserves we have were implemented long before Trump even fired his first poseur businessperson on TV. They're a part of what keeps us independent.

Then, there are our resources that need to be maximized if we're to remain that way: solar, wind, tidal, battery, and - that mythical and not-very-helpful choice: clean coal.

It's obvious that if we were going to thump our chests about our smarts regarding energy, we wouldn't simultaneously be saying that windmills cause cancer, or that people lose power when it's cloudy, or that coal is our future. Those are patently ignorant things to say - and yet Trump has said them without backing down.

So, yay 'Merica for being able to ride this wave for a while, but it's not because of Trump; he's simply claiming credit for the decades of planning by those infernal Elites: the well-educated people that fortunately had their feathers numbered for just such an emergency. Now we just have to give Trump something else to do before his ludicrous and unscientific point of view ruins our country further.



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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 11:57am



 kurtster wrote:
So here we are about 36 hours after the oil markets opened Sunday evening and we are nearly back to where we were price wise before 5% of the world's oil located in the Middle East went offline.  WTI is down this morning around 5%.  If one is going into sheer heart attack panic mode based on what happens in the first 5 minutes after a market opens, then lord have mercy on your soul.  Even with this computer trading based surge, for WTI we never exceeded the year long trading range that has been between $55 and $65 per bbl.

So in conclusion, we have indeed reached a point where turmoil in the Middle East no longer has a major impact on the price of oil, even in the short, short term.  Ok, if the Straits of Hormuz were shut down, that would have a major impact, but even that would not last very long because they would be reopened very quickly, at Iran's expense.  I still maintain that Iran is very unlikely to do anything to shut down the straits because it would also affect their ability to export their own oil.  Iran's leaders have now got to be thinking about how far they will have to go to get a military reaction and if they go far enough, what will that reaction be ?  My guess is that if they push that far, they will never do it again or even be capable of doing it again.  21st Century to the Stone Age in 24 hours or less.  Now that we have MOAB's, nukes are not necessary.  And no one of importance will come to their rescue.  It will not be the beginning of Armageddon. 

I don't know what Iran hoped to accomplish with this attack on the SAK oil field, but what ever it was, it failed demonstrably and almost immediately to have any lasting impact on anything other than their credibility regarding their stated intentions and goals.  So here we are, what 5 days after this event and no other shots have been fired, so far.  The whole flipping world is better off and safer because the USA is energy independent.  We and everyone else can now sit back and think before reacting, instead of just reacting as is the way of geopolitics and USA neocon / neoliberal oil politics before Trump.  Again, look what Hillary did to Libya.  Libya and the surrounding region has been permanently destabilized because France (alone) was so dependent on Sweet Libyan Crude for their domestic crude supplies that they begged the USA to go in and do the heavy lifting that they and the rest of the EU were unable to do to affect their needed ends in Libya.  Obama's lead from behind policy ...

So thanks Donald, for having a clue and a plan and not having an itchy trigger finger. 

A question for all of you thermometer watchers ... you all have dedicated your lives to ending the use of fossil fuels by any means possible and this event should have made y'all happy, jumping for joy that 5% of the world's fossil fuel production went offline.  Iran should be your hero.  Instead y'all freaked out and were thinking this is the end of life as we you know it.  Which is it ?  You cannot have it both ways.  You all want fossil fuels to go away ASAP or sooner, everyday is one desperate day closer to extinction.  You got a taste of what you want and you got scared instead.  Pussies poseurs.
 
I bet you're lots of fun at parties.


R_P

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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 11:16am

 kurtster wrote:
A question for all of you thermometer watchers ...

Pussies poseurs.

Channeling Mush Bimbo again...

Also, no grabbing!

rgio

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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 11:05am



 kurtster wrote:
So here we are about 36 hours after the oil markets opened Sunday evening and we are nearly back to where we were price wise before 5% of the world's oil located in the Middle East went offline.  WTI is down this morning around 5%.  If one is going into sheer heart attack panic mode based on what happens in the first 5 minutes after a market opens, then lord have mercy on your soul.  Even with this computer trading based surge, for WTI we never exceeded the year long trading range that has been between $55 and $65 per bbl.

So in conclusion, we have indeed reached a point where turmoil in the Middle East no longer has a major impact on the price of oil, even in the short, short term.  Ok, if the Straits of Hormuz were shut down, that would have a major impact, but even that would not last very long because they would be reopened very quickly, at Iran's expense.  I still maintain that Iran is very unlikely to do anything to shut down the straits because it would also affect their ability to export their own oil.  Iran's leaders have now got to be thinking about how far they will have to go to get a military reaction and if they go far enough, what will that reaction be ?  My guess is that if they push that far, they will never do it again or even be capable of doing it again.  21st Century to the Stone Age in 24 hours or less.  Now that we have MOAB's, nukes are not necessary.  And no one of importance will come to their rescue.  It will not be the beginning of Armageddon. 

I don't know what Iran hoped to accomplish with this attack on the SAK oil field, but what ever it was, it failed demonstrably and almost immediately to have any lasting impact on anything other than their credibility regarding their stated intentions and goals.  So here we are, what 5 days after this event and no other shots have been fired, so far.  The whole flipping world is better off and safer because the USA is energy independent.  We and everyone else can now sit back and think before reacting, instead of just reacting as is the way of geopolitics and USA neocon / neoliberal oil politics before Trump.  Again, look what Hillary did to Libya.  Libya and the surrounding region has been permanently destabilized because France (alone) was so dependent on Sweet Libyan Crude for their domestic crude supplies that they begged the USA to go in and do the heavy lifting that they and the rest of the EU were unable to do to affect their needed ends in Libya.  Obama's lead from behind policy ...

So thanks Donald, for having a clue and a plan and not having an itchy trigger finger. 

A question for all of you thermometer watchers ... you all have dedicated your lives to ending the use of fossil fuels by any means possible and this event should have made y'all happy, jumping for joy that 5% of the world's fossil fuel production went offline.  Iran should be your hero.  Instead y'all freaked out and were thinking this is the end of life as we you know it.  Which is it ?  You cannot have it both ways.  You all want fossil fuels to go away ASAP or sooner, everyday is one desperate day closer to extinction.  You got a taste of what you want and you got scared instead.  Pussies poseurs.
 
Kurt, apparently, those who know think the reduction isn't Trump based.... https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Why-Oil-Prices-Just-Fell-6.html

If you go to some other articles on that site, you'll note that geopolitical instability is generating a risk premium on futures, and that the Russians are moving into Iraq while we saber rattle with Iran.

As for the plan....c'mon?  The only plan he has is to do anything and everything he thinks necessary to get re-elected.  Oil prices go up....do whatever to fix it.  Stock market goes down after trade tweets...blame the Fed.   Background checks....good idea....I mean maybe a good idea....wait....they don't really work.

Believing in global warming doesn't mean you hope for instability and crisis, it means you support long term programs to reduce the impact of energy use.  To a certain extent you're right....if you really worried about the environment would you fly to Europe or drive a car for short trips...probably not.  That doesn't mean you celebrate hostilities by others.  The group most scared by the jump in prices was in the white house...not environmentalists.  
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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 10:47am



 kurtster wrote:
......

So in conclusion, we have indeed reached a point where turmoil in the Middle East no longer has a major impact on the price of oil, even in the short, short term.  Ok, if the Straits of Hormuz were shut down, that would have a major impact, but even that would not last very long because they would be reopened very quickly, at Iran's expense.  I still maintain that Iran is very unlikely to do anything to shut down the straits because it would also affect their ability to export their own oil. 

No.  Not all.  The Mid East oil price premium is back in effect.  As stated earlier, oil markets are currently well supplied and Trump's attempts to slow the global economy have been very successful.  Demand growth for oil is slowing.

kurtster:  Do you understand the geography of the Mid-East?  Iran straddles the Strait of Hormuz.  Iran has a number of oil export terminals on the Gulf of Oman side of the Strait.


........

 Again, look what Hillary did to Libya.  Libya and the surrounding region has been permanently destabilized because France (alone) was so dependent on Sweet Libyan Crude for their domestic crude supplies that they begged the USA to go in and do the heavy lifting that they and the rest of the EU were unable to do to affect their needed ends in Libya.  Obama's lead from behind policy ...

So thanks Donald, for having a clue and a plan and not having an itchy trigger finger. 

.......
 
Hillary did to Libya?   No.  Look at what the Europeans did to Libya with American help.  Not sure that President Obama could have refused the European request given preceding history of sacrificing European lives in Afghanistan.

As for the Donald, his undisciplined mouth already did some damage.  His calmer reflections suggests somebody who vacillates quickly and is not concerned about peace and security but rather his re-election.    It signals weakness.





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Posted: Sep 17, 2019 - 9:06am

So here we are about 36 hours after the oil markets opened Sunday evening and we are nearly back to where we were price wise before 5% of the world's oil located in the Middle East went offline.  WTI is down this morning around 5%.  If one is going into sheer heart attack panic mode based on what happens in the first 5 minutes after a market opens, then lord have mercy on your soul.  Even with this computer trading based surge, for WTI we never exceeded the year long trading range that has been between $55 and $65 per bbl.

So in conclusion, we have indeed reached a point where turmoil in the Middle East no longer has a major impact on the price of oil, even in the short, short term.  Ok, if the Straits of Hormuz were shut down, that would have a major impact, but even that would not last very long because they would be reopened very quickly, at Iran's expense.  I still maintain that Iran is very unlikely to do anything to shut down the straits because it would also affect their ability to export their own oil.  Iran's leaders have now got to be thinking about how far they will have to go to get a military reaction and if they go far enough, what will that reaction be ?  My guess is that if they push that far, they will never do it again or even be capable of doing it again.  21st Century to the Stone Age in 24 hours or less.  Now that we have MOAB's, nukes are not necessary.  And no one of importance will come to their rescue.  It will not be the beginning of Armageddon. 

I don't know what Iran hoped to accomplish with this attack on the SAK oil field, but what ever it was, it failed demonstrably and almost immediately to have any lasting impact on anything other than their credibility regarding their stated intentions and goals.  So here we are, what 5 days after this event and no other shots have been fired, so far.  The whole flipping world is better off and safer because the USA is energy independent.  We and everyone else can now sit back and think before reacting, instead of just reacting as is the way of geopolitics and USA neocon / neoliberal oil politics before Trump.  Again, look what Hillary did to Libya.  Libya and the surrounding region has been permanently destabilized because France (alone) was so dependent on Sweet Libyan Crude for their domestic crude supplies that they begged the USA to go in and do the heavy lifting that they and the rest of the EU were unable to do to affect their needed ends in Libya.  Obama's lead from behind policy ...

So thanks Donald, for having a clue and a plan and not having an itchy trigger finger. 

A question for all of you thermometer watchers ... you all have dedicated your lives to ending the use of fossil fuels by any means possible and this event should have made y'all happy, jumping for joy that 5% of the world's fossil fuel production went offline.  Iran should be your hero.  Instead y'all freaked out and were thinking this is the end of life as we you know it.  Which is it ?  You cannot have it both ways.  You all want fossil fuels to go away ASAP or sooner, everyday is one desperate day closer to extinction.  You got a taste of what you want and you got scared instead.  Pussies poseurs.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2019 - 3:26pm

The s/n ratio in this topic is getting really small

... kind of like Trump's tweets
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Posted: Sep 16, 2019 - 12:28pm



 kurtster wrote:

Oh, the emoticon itself contains the clickable link.  Clever, I just thought you were channeling hazze swede's over sized emoticons from back when.

It never occurred to me that I should look for a link there.  Once again, a Communications 101 or really a remedial level 097 tenet.  Message sent is not always message received.  So much for nuance, eh ?  That's why I try and keep it simple and blunt anymore.
 

The old site would put a blue link box around the emot or any image so you knew... but it's a brave new world, here at RP Beta No. 5B (Brazil)
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Posted: Sep 16, 2019 - 12:10pm

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
I've just scrolled back 10 pages looking for either a clickable link or a url to anything posted by you on this subject before now.

All's I see is stuff about Trump being orange and lightbulbs.
 
It helps if you pay attention

"All from the same article that was used in my first post. You know, the one that highlighted your fantasy of Middle Eastern problems no longer affecting oil prices in a major way."
 
Oh, the emoticon itself contains the clickable link.  Clever, I just thought you were channeling hazze swede's over sized emoticons from back when.

It never occurred to me that I should look for a link there.  Once again, a Communications 101 or really a remedial level 097 tenet.  Message sent is not always message received.  So much for nuance, eh ?  That's why I try and keep it simple and blunt anymore.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2019 - 10:48am

 kurtster wrote:
I've just scrolled back 10 pages looking for either a clickable link or a url to anything posted by you on this subject before now.

All's I see is stuff about Trump being orange and lightbulbs.
 
It helps if you pay attention

"All from the same article that was used in my first post. You know, the one that highlighted your fantasy of Middle Eastern problems no longer affecting oil prices in a major way."
kurtster

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Posted: Sep 16, 2019 - 10:42am

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
You have used no references until just now.

Wrong. All from the same article that was used in my first post. You know, the one that highlighted your fantasy of Middle Eastern problems no longer affecting oil prices in a major way. Let's also see if World Cop's saber-rattling response will affect prices...
 
I've just scrolled back 10 pages looking for either a clickable link or a url to anything posted by you on this subject before now.

All's I see is stuff about Trump being orange and lightbulbs.
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