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ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jan 24, 2023 - 8:35am

We had dinner Saturday night with a guy whose business is in Ukraine and he lives there, his wife's from there. He's from Cody and has a house here too. So anyway he went to DC in December to visit with *anyone* about the war in Ukraine, wanting to offer a non-ArmsDealer argument for supporting the war effort. There was one evening devoted to incoming legislators, and several disparate groups were there, and the new congresscritters would go from table to table, talking about maybe The Environment at one table, shifting to Education maybe, then getting to the Ukraine group. Most of the people were taking info, listening politely, "thank you for coming" and on to the next group. The one new legislator who stood out as having something germane to offer at each stop: George Santos. They came away from the evening thinking they had a great ally to champion their cause, and then a few days later it all fell apart.

So anyway, that was fun.
Steely_D

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Posted: Jan 17, 2023 - 11:16am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
That's what the Second Amendment is for, I guess? That and school shootings. Gotta have that "well-regulated" militia to protect us as all from fraudulent elections, grade schoolers, and Demoncrats.



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Posted: Jan 17, 2023 - 7:35am

Ex-GOP candidate arrested in shootings at lawmakers’ homes
Lazy8

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Posted: Jan 12, 2023 - 3:07pm

 Steely_D wrote:
I'd like to feel bad for them, I really would, but they are missing the lesson of their own downfall.

Instead of bemoaning their fall from power and walking off in a huff they should stand and fight. After all when they were on top that's what the rabble that seized their party did—they organized, convinced people who thought like they did to join the party and seized power.

Yes, it took them 30+ years. Better get started.
black321

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 11:44am

 Steely_D wrote:

The Party’s Over for Us. Where Do We Go Now?



FTA: 
"I had (brunch) with Laura Ingraham and Dinesh D’Souza in the ’80s that helps me see, in retrospect, that people in my circle were pro-conservative, while Ingraham and D’Souza and people in their circle were anti-left. We wanted to champion Edmund Burke and Adam Smith and a Reaganite foreign policy. They wanted to rock the establishment. That turned out to be a consequential difference because almost all the people in my circle back then — like David Frum and Robert Kagan — ended up, decades later, NeverTrumpers, and almost all the people in their circle became Trumpers or went bonkers.
"...Everybody likes a story in which the little guy rises up to take on the establishment, but in this case the little guys rode in on a wave of know-nothingism, mendacity, an apocalyptic mind-set, and authoritarianism. 
Within a few short years, a somewhat Hamiltonian party became a Jacksonian one, with a truly nihilistic wing."



Good story. Also liked these quotes

"Part of the problem is that so many Republicans no longer get into politics to pass legislation. They do it to become celebrities. The more feverish they are, the better it sells." (this goes for both sides, see AOC ...)

Trump brought the three horsemen of the apocalypse — immorality, dishonesty and bigotry.


The problem is that Trump turned the party into a single-purpose vehicle for cultural resentments. It doesn’t help that coastal elites do so much on their own to feed those resentments.

Which brings me back to DeSantis. He seems to have figured out that the G.O.P. sits on a three-legged stool consisting of Trumpists, evangelicals and the business community. He’s earned the respect of the first with his pugilistic jabs at the media, of the second with his attacks on Disney and his parental rights legislation, and of the third with an open-for-business approach to governance that has brought hundreds of thousands of people to Florida. Next to all that, the personality defects seem pretty surmountable.


I wish we had pivoted our conservatism even faster away from (sorry) Wall Street Journal editorial page ideas and come up with conservative approaches to inequality, to deindustrialization, to racial disparities, etc

black321

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 11:24am

 Lazy8 wrote:

They declare war on things all the time—drugs, poverty, crime—and they always lose.

Soon enough they'll recognize what a handy instrument government is to punish your enemies with and they'll decide it's useful after all.



Soon? Desantis and the MAGA GOP are already well down that path.
R_P

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 11:11am

 rgio wrote:
Let's use specific examples of destroying government capability.

As the guy who complained about the IRS taking so long, are you OK with the Republican attempt to reverse the hiring of 87,000 employees?

Who needs revenue when you can borrow and print money endlessly?

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 11:01am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 steeler wrote:
House Republicans have declared war on the federal government.

They declare war on things all the time—drugs, poverty, crime—and they always lose. Soon enough they'll recognize what a handy instrument government is to punish your enemies with and they'll decide it's useful after all.
 
E pluribus unum
Steely_D

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 10:04am

The Party’s Over for Us. Where Do We Go Now?



FTA: 
"I had (brunch) with Laura Ingraham and Dinesh D’Souza in the ’80s that helps me see, in retrospect, that people in my circle were pro-conservative, while Ingraham and D’Souza and people in their circle were anti-left. We wanted to champion Edmund Burke and Adam Smith and a Reaganite foreign policy. They wanted to rock the establishment. That turned out to be a consequential difference because almost all the people in my circle back then — like David Frum and Robert Kagan — ended up, decades later, NeverTrumpers, and almost all the people in their circle became Trumpers or went bonkers.
"...Everybody likes a story in which the little guy rises up to take on the establishment, but in this case the little guys rode in on a wave of know-nothingism, mendacity, an apocalyptic mind-set, and authoritarianism. 
Within a few short years, a somewhat Hamiltonian party became a Jacksonian one, with a truly nihilistic wing."

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 9:26am

Nassau County GOP calls for Santos to resign
Lazy8

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 9:15am

 steeler wrote:
House Republicans have declared war on the federal government.

They declare war on things all the time—drugs, poverty, crime—and they always lose.

Soon enough they'll recognize what a handy instrument government is to punish your enemies with and they'll decide it's useful after all.

steeler

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 8:18am

 kurtster wrote:

And ?


I think what I posted speaks for itself.
rgio

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 6:01am

 kurtster wrote:

And ?

Let's use specific examples of destroying government capability.

As the guy who complained about the IRS taking so long, are you OK with the Republican attempt to reverse the hiring of 87,000 employees?

kurtster

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 5:52am

 steeler wrote:
House Republicans have declared war on the federal government. 
 
And ?
steeler

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Posted: Jan 11, 2023 - 5:36am

House Republicans have declared war on the federal government. 
Coaxial

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Posted: Jan 9, 2023 - 7:19am

 Zep wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:

"try persuading someone with reasonable, respectful dialog versus a political baseball bat"
- internet abraham lincoln

Abe played first base for the Peoria Blues in the old Wabash League (low A-ball). Slugged .540 over three seasons, but that was when they used sheep intestines in the baseballs.
 
Yes, and a split rail for a bat.{#Yes}
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Posted: Jan 9, 2023 - 7:16am

 miamizsun wrote:

"try persuading someone with reasonable, respectful dialog versus a political baseball bat"
- internet abraham lincoln

Abe played first base for the Peoria Blues in the old Wabash League (low A-ball). Slugged .540 over three seasons, but that was when they used sheep intestines in the baseballs.

miamizsun

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Posted: Jan 8, 2023 - 6:42am

 Steely_D wrote:

There's precedent for both sides to work together to keep the extremists out. 

Ohio GOP members bitterly divided by deal with Democrats to elect 'moderate' House Speaker

FTA: The entire party evaluated each of the candidate's characters, willingness to compromise on Democratic wants and culture war issues.

Stephens is still conservative on many issues, but is not nearly as right-wing as Merrin. Now, the speaker is seemingly pledging to stop far-right policies and act as a full moderate.




usually in a system where the people have a choice the inflexibility of extremism (on the right and the left) is a losing hand, no?
too many rules = too much violence?
when tolerance of peaceful people makes folks angry, then they may be doing it wrong?

"try persuading someone with reasonable, respectful dialog versus a political baseball bat"
- internet abraham lincoln

Steely_D

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Posted: Jan 7, 2023 - 4:11pm

There's precedent for both sides to work together to keep the extremists out. 

Ohio GOP members bitterly divided by deal with Democrats to elect 'moderate' House Speaker

FTA: The entire party evaluated each of the candidate's characters, willingness to compromise on Democratic wants and culture war issues.

Stephens is still conservative on many issues, but is not nearly as right-wing as Merrin. Now, the speaker is seemingly pledging to stop far-right policies and act as a full moderate.


kurtster

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Posted: Jan 7, 2023 - 2:48pm

 Steely_D wrote:
 haresfur wrote:
Oh we know it wasn't worth it for the nation world. But the democrats could have let McCarthy win before he made all the promises to the freedom fuck'em caucus.

Interesting idea: instead of being beholden to the crazies he could've been beholden to the communists. That would've made the crazies....crazy(er).
 
fyt
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