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cc_rider

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Posted: May 17, 2021 - 9:05am

 kcar wrote:


I wouldn't call Ivanka's those deals "charity." 

Really, it's time to STFU about Hunter Biden. Ivanka and Jared's graft and conflicts of interest make him look insignificant. 



Of course you're right. It is not charity, but graft, corruption, and nepotism, with a side of good old-fashioned theft.
c.


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Posted: May 17, 2021 - 8:56am

 cc_rider wrote:
Those deals are actually 'charity'. They are not qualified to actually DO anything, so just set 'em in a corner with a shiny object.
c.





I wouldn't call Ivanka's those deals "charity." 

Really, it's time to STFU about Hunter Biden. Ivanka and Jared's graft and conflicts of interest make him look insignificant. 

Jared and Ivanka made up to $640 million in the White House

Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump reported between $172 million and $640 million in outside income while working in the White House, according to an analysis of financial disclosures by CREW. It is impossible to tell the exact amount as the income is sometimes reported in broad ranges and cover four months of income before Ivanka Trump officially joined her father’s administration and nearly one month before Jared Kushner joined.

Both Kushner and Trump announced they would not take a salary while working for the government in an attempt to shut down nepotism concerns. While their supporters marked this as a public sacrifice, the massive amount of money they made on the side undercuts that argument, as government salaries would have been less than 1% of their income.



The Vanity Fair article below quotes the CREW report (as shown by the boxed text):

    JARED AND IVANKA MADE UP TO $640 MILLION WHILE WORKING IN WASHINGTON, OR 457,142 STIMULUS CHECKS

    One major factor in their outside profits came from Ivanka Trump’s ownership stake in the Trump Hotel in D.C., just blocks from the White House and the locus of influence peddling in the Trump administration. Before business slowed down due to the pandemic, the couple paid a combined 23 visits to the hotel. All told, Ivanka made more than $13 million from the hotel since 2017.… The hotel was far from Ivanka Trump’s only controversial source of income while working in the White House. In 2018, Ivanka announced she was shutting down her namesake brand, and she later filed a disclosure with the government that “ll operations of the business ceased on July 31, 2018.” But discovered that she still made up to $1 million from it in 2019 despite the fact that she claimed it no longer existed.

    In what would become the defining scandal of her time in office, in October 2018 Ivanka’s brand won 16 new trademarks from the Chinese government, including for voting machines. These approvals came about three months after Ivanka announced that her brand was shutting down, and mark the largest number of new Chinese trademarks she received in a single month during the Trump presidency. Six months after the company officially shut down, it received a new trademark to sell the Ivanka brand in Canada. In all, CREW found at least 28 foreign trademarks approved for Ivanka Trump while in the White House.


    Other major sources of income for the couple came from Kushner’s real estate holdings, which got a nice boost through a tax break the first daughter reportedly personally pushed for:

    worked on the Trump administration’s implementation of the Opportunity Zones program in 2018, apparently violating conflict of interest law in the process. At the same time that Ivanka was working on Opportunity Zones, Jared owned a significant financial stake in a company called Cadre which offers investment vehicles under the Opportunity Zones program. When Trump and Kushner entered the administration, Kushner’s stake in Cadre was valued between $5 million and $25 million. The value would rise to $25 million to $50 million. Kushner originally failed to disclose his ownership in Cadre. Despite the fact that the top White House ethics official determined at one point that it was “reasonably necessary” for him to divest from Cadre in order to do his job at the White House, he never did.



    Lazy8

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    Posted: May 17, 2021 - 8:39am

     kurtster wrote:
    I saw the 8% number quite a few times, but that was a while ago.  I went with the lowest number that I had seen / heard.

    Here try this one ...

    Media's hiding of Hunter Biden scandal robbed Trump of clear win: Poll

    Would it matter to you if this was true ? 

    Ah, Media Research Center again, this time claiming 4.6% rather than 17%.

    Did you read the article? It claimed that 36% of Biden voters were unaware of the story. That means 64% were aware of it, pretty good penetration for a story being kept under wraps.

    If it were true no, it wouldn't bother me. Mainstream gutter politics as usual. Incumbent parties and their media allies failing to get their oppo out does not cause me to lose sleep.

    You know what does? Biden continuing Trump's China antagonism and trade policy. I can't see a nickel's worth of difference between the two.


    cc_rider

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    Posted: May 17, 2021 - 7:56am

     kcar wrote:

    And yes, as others here have pointed out: if you're so upset about Hunter getting a position at Burisma, where is your outrage over there deals Ivanka and Jared scored for themselves?

    Those deals are actually 'charity'. They are not qualified to actually DO anything, so just set 'em in a corner with a shiny object.
    c.



    kcar

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    Posted: May 16, 2021 - 6:42pm

    And yes, as others here have pointed out: if you're so upset about Hunter getting a position at Burisma, where is your outrage over there deals Ivanka and Jared scored for themselves?
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    Posted: May 16, 2021 - 6:38pm

     kurtster wrote:


    I saw the 8% number quite a few times, but that was a while ago.  I went with the lowest number that I had seen / heard.

    Here try this one ...

    Media's hiding of Hunter Biden scandal robbed Trump of clear win: Poll

    Would it matter to you if this was true ? 


    What scandal? What hiding?

    Hunter Biden got paid to be on the board of Burisma Holdings. He was hardly the first relation of a prominent politician to get a cushy job without any real qualifications.

    The mainstream press investigated this. IIRC the FBI and other govt agencies investigated this. There was no scandal to uncover. We've been over and over this.

    As for voters not being aware of Hunter Biden... Where the f$#k were they? Trump couldn't stop talking about Hunter and Joe and Ukraine and China. Giuliani babbled about big revelations coming. Hunter's laptop was supposed to blow things open.

    As for the poll you point to I'm deeply skeptical of its credibility. I can't imagine a significant number of Biden voters can even remember Hunter at this point.

    Trump lost because he botched the handling of Covid and contributed to the deaths of 400,000 more Americans than should have died with more competent government response. Hunter Biden had nothing to do with it.
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    Posted: May 16, 2021 - 6:24pm

     kurtster wrote:


    I saw the 8% number quite a few times, but that was a while ago.  I went with the lowest number that I had seen / heard.

    Here try this one ...

    Media's hiding of Hunter Biden scandal robbed Trump of clear win: Poll

    Would it matter to you if this was true ? 


    I won't vote for his re-election .... once you show me the evidence.


    BTW - the optics are bad....but he didn't do anything the Trump kids weren't out doing with the Chinese patents and overseas money.    One difference, Hunter never got paid from the campaign funds raised.
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    Posted: May 16, 2021 - 6:00pm

     Lazy8 wrote:

    That 8% number seems oddly specific...and unlikely. So I went googling for it. Didn't find it, but I found various mouth-foaming sources claiming other fanciful figures.  One in 6 (17%) (Media Research Center, a right-wing think tank), 10% (Donald F#cking Trump, pulled out of whatever orifice he gets stats from) but no one claiming your particular random number.

    So which orifice did this come from? Just curious, it's not going to make me...do anything in particular.

    While you're doing your (ahem) research maybe look this up: how many Trump voters would have changed their votes after the Jan. 6th riots?


    I saw the 8% number quite a few times, but that was a while ago.  I went with the lowest number that I had seen / heard.

    Here try this one ...

    Media's hiding of Hunter Biden scandal robbed Trump of clear win: Poll

    Would it matter to you if this was true ? 
    Lazy8

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    Posted: May 16, 2021 - 9:18am

     kurtster wrote:
    yes.  Already have I thought.  Is what it is.

    So while there are simple numbers above that we agree on ... try this

    Regarding the election as I mentioned earlier, based on polling 8% of Biden voters would have changed their votes had they known about the Hunter Biden story before the election.  The story as we know was censored into oblivion by the media powers that be, to prevent the information being seen as much as possible in order to manipulate the vote.

    Now is 8% of 82 million enough to swing the election the other way ?  How about as little as 5% ?

    That 8% number seems oddly specific...and unlikely. So I went googling for it. Didn't find it, but I found various mouth-foaming sources claiming other fanciful figures.  One in 6 (17%) (Media Research Center, a right-wing think tank), 10% (Donald F#cking Trump, pulled out of whatever orifice he gets stats from) but no one claiming your particular random number.

    So which orifice did this come from? Just curious, it's not going to make me...do anything in particular.

    While you're doing your (ahem) research maybe look this up: how many Trump voters would have changed their votes after the Jan. 6th riots?
    westslope

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    Posted: May 16, 2021 - 8:12am

     kurtster wrote:


    .....
    Regarding the election as I mentioned earlier, based on polling 8% of Biden voters would have changed their votes had they known about the Hunter Biden story before the election.  The story as we know was censored into oblivion by the media powers that be, to prevent the information being seen as much as possible in order to manipulate the vote.

    ........

    kurtster, do you not have any interest in American politics evolving beyond tabloid-style gutter, sensationalist politics?  Why do you treat your fellow Americans like they are so naive, so shallow, so gullible, so stupid? 

    The Democrats also pounded mercilessly on an unsavoury connection between President Trump and Russia.  The Democrats made up all kinds of nonsense.  You and your fellow Trump supporters opened these floodgates of political mendacity.  Actually you did not open the floodgates, you simply took them to new heights.

    The racist baiting of the Chinese by Trump was totally over the top.   And it was effective, even self-styled North American progressives believed the lies about Chinese industrial policy.

    The Muslim ban?   Remember the American Sikhs who were murdered because they looked like Semitic rag heads?  That is on you and your Trump movement kurtster.

    I know it is hard.  You and other Americans have been socialized into glorifying ethnic cleansing terrorism from a very early age.  The USA would not exist today without ethnic cleansing terrorism.   That explains in part your broad multi-partisan blank-cheque support for the thuggish anti-Semitic Israeli nation building project. 

    As killing grandchildren and grandparents and stealing resources at the point of a gun (or aerial bombing) is bound to be controversial for society that PRETENDS to follow Judeo-Christian ethics and morals, is it a surprise that everybody gravitates to political mendacity with heavy doses of historical revisionism and narratives that deliberately talk around the issues?  


    kurtster

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    Posted: May 16, 2021 - 12:13am

     Lazy8 wrote:

    For the record: 82 million > 75 million, right?

    Does this mean you're acknowledging that Trump lost by 7 million votes?


    yes.  Already have I thought.  Is what it is.

    So while there are simple numbers above that we agree on ... try this

    Regarding the election as I mentioned earlier, based on polling 8% of Biden voters would have changed their votes had they known about the Hunter Biden story before the election.  The story as we know was censored into oblivion by the media powers that be, to prevent the information being seen as much as possible in order to manipulate the vote.

    Now is 8% of 82 million enough to swing the election the other way ?  How about as little as 5% ?
    westslope

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    Posted: May 15, 2021 - 1:08am

     kurtster wrote:

    Dismiss / ignore the thoughts of 75 million people at your own peril.



    Agreed.  Treating politics as a sporting like winner takes all game is a really bad idea.


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    Posted: May 14, 2021 - 10:45pm

     kurtster wrote:
    I don't know what broad light is cast on the 82 million, but we know that the 82 million (at the very least) view the 75 million as deplorable and irredeemable.

    For the record: 82 million > 75 million, right?

    Does this mean you're acknowledging that Trump lost by 7 million votes?
    R_P

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    Posted: May 14, 2021 - 10:08pm

    The point is being the proxy (100% of you democrats believed or 82 million think) of what those poor ignored folks out there like to think.

    Then there is the general problem of viewing large groups as monolithic...

    kurtster

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    Posted: May 14, 2021 - 9:57pm

     R_P wrote:

    I'd say that's broad enough and a good example...



    You mean this ?


    But then of course 100% of you democrats were told by your party leaders and media pundits and believed that there was no way in hell that we would have a successful vaccine by the end of 2020.


    I would just say that it was a true statement at the time, based upon my observations.  Ok, maybe 99% ...

    or is there another part you refer to ?
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    Posted: May 14, 2021 - 9:29pm

     kurtster wrote:
    I don't know what broad light is cast on the 82 million, but we know that the 82 million (at the very least) view the 75 million as deplorable and irredeemable.

    I'd say that's broad enough and a good example...
    kurtster

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    Posted: May 14, 2021 - 9:25pm

     R_P wrote:

    More insurrections?

    By using you as a proxy, folks can get a pretty good idea what they think of the 82 million people (since we're rounding up) who ousted their messiah...



    I don't know what broad light is cast on the 82 million, but we know that the 82 million (at the very least) view the 75 million as deplorable and irredeemable.

    R_P

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    Posted: May 14, 2021 - 9:13pm

     kurtster wrote:

    Dismiss / ignore the thoughts of 75 million people at your own peril.


    More insurrections?

    By using you as a proxy, folks can get a pretty good idea what they think of the 82 million people (since we're rounding up) who ousted their messiah...
    Red_Dragon

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    Posted: May 14, 2021 - 8:37pm

    75 million delusional idiots... yes, they terrify me.

    kurtster

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    Posted: May 14, 2021 - 8:35pm

    Dismiss / ignore the thoughts of 75 million people at your own peril.

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