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Posted: Nov 11, 2025 - 3:37pm


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Posted: Nov 11, 2025 - 3:15pm

 Isabeau wrote:

I'll see your tepid attempts at squirrel pointing and raise you an utterly asinine proposal:  â€˜Sold POTUS a bill of goods’: White House furious with Pulte over 50-year mortgage

The White House was blindsided by the idea and is now dealing with a furious backlash from conservative allies, business leaders and lawmakers





Amusing to think that the Federal Housing Finance Director can cause such a $hitstorm by walking up to Drumpf and floating a dumb idea...while Donnie's aides stand by helplessly. 

This is the same turd who goes around accusing Drumpf's enemies or targets of mortgage fraud—without evidence. 
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Posted: Nov 11, 2025 - 11:35am

I'll see your tepid attempts at squirrel pointing and raise you an utterly asinine proposal:  â€˜Sold POTUS a bill of goods’: White House furious with Pulte over 50-year mortgage

The White House was blindsided by the idea and is now dealing with a furious backlash from conservative allies, business leaders and lawmakers



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Posted: Nov 11, 2025 - 10:41am

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Posted: Nov 11, 2025 - 8:56am

 ColdMiser wrote:

The Republicans will control the narrative before the Dems even get a semblance of plan to message this. They will be waiting to hear from the consultants and pollsters before putting their fingers to the wind and push forward some BS that will get them nowhere. We really need to clean house, this is just pathetic. 



The problem stems from Conservative wanting something that was, so there's agreement on what that looks like. Progressives, though, all have different ideas and refuse to compromise and align, and so are easy pickings. They bicker about stuff amongst themselves because they have their personal hot buttons, and the GOP has figured out that they just need to hold their nose, put aside their morality perspectives, and vote as a bloc, just to get power.
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Posted: Nov 11, 2025 - 7:41am

 Steely_D wrote:

Think about this, tho. If the Democrat party is playing chess (hopefully)
1) The “defector” scapegoats don’t face election recall, so they were chosen by Dem leadership to cast these votes as they were most protected from being voted out in November.
2) “Holiday travel and plane flights and paychecks returned for the winter? You’re welcome. We couldn’t bear to see you suffer, but Republicans wanted you to.”
3) At midterms we’ll hear “we ended the GOP tantrum; they were showing that they’re willing to literally starve you.”
4) Later: “Your healthcare premiums went up, well, it was obviously the GOP intention that we warned you about.”
5) “You don’t like this? Vote Dem next time.”



The Republicans will control the narrative before the Dems even get a semblance of plan to message this. They will be waiting to hear from the consultants and pollsters before putting their fingers to the wind and push forward some BS that will get them nowhere. We really need to clean house, this is just pathetic. 

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Posted: Nov 11, 2025 - 7:37am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Notice how all 8 cavers aren't up for reelection. 

2 of which are from my state, NH. Shaheen is retiring she could give a flying F about NH. And Hassan probably will retire before 2028, I'd rather see her resign. 

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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 4:14pm

Appeasement works!

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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 4:14pm


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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 2:33pm

 black321 wrote:


That's how I look at it...and i believe only temp agreement, funding through Jan...so still a lot of negotiating left. Let's get thing working again while we figure a full year plan...


But - the amount of short sightedness in the Dem party (“I’ll never vote Dem again after this”) will be a real problem. They need to stop arguing about pronouns and get to the real issue: loss of voting rights.
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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 2:27pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Think about this, tho. If the Democrat party is playing chess (hopefully)
1) The “defector” scapegoats don’t face election recall, so they were chosen by Dem leadership to cast these votes as they were most protected from being voted out in November.
2) “Holiday travel and plane flights and paychecks returned for the winter? You’re welcome. We couldn’t bear to see you suffer, but Republicans wanted you to.”
3) At midterms we’ll hear “we ended the GOP tantrum; they were showing that they’re willing to literally starve you.”
4) Later: “Your healthcare premiums went up, well, it was obviously the GOP intention that we warned you about.”
5) “You don’t like this? Vote Dem next time.”




That's how I look at it...and i believe only temp agreement, funding through Jan...so still a lot of negotiating left. Let's get thing working again while we figure a full year plan...
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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 2:05pm

Think about this, tho. If the Democrat party is playing chess (hopefully)
1) The “defector” scapegoats don’t face election recall, so they were chosen by Dem leadership to cast these votes as they were most protected from being voted out in November.
2) “Holiday travel and plane flights and paychecks returned for the winter? You’re welcome. We couldn’t bear to see you suffer, but Republicans wanted you to.”
3) At midterms we’ll hear “we ended the GOP tantrum; they were showing that they’re willing to literally starve you.”
4) Later: “Your healthcare premiums went up, well, it was obviously the GOP intention that we warned you about.”
5) “You don’t like this? Vote Dem next time.”


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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 1:07pm

 steeler wrote:

The Republicans are back where they were during Trump’s first term — repeal ACA (Obamacare) and replace it with nothing. Talk about the need for “reform”of the system, but do nothing more than getting rid of the ACA and making cuts to Medicaid.




I guess you could argue that ACA in its current form is better than nothing, but...It really speaks to the point democrats can/should control the narrative.
eg, ok, lets get rid of ACA, which you, the GOP gutted and made ineffective, with a better plan...or are you, the GOP, only interested in making further cuts to medicaid/healthcare? 
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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 12:43pm

 rgio wrote:

Trump's got a plan like nobody has ever seen before, available in two weeks.  Just you wait.  It'll be amazing.

Republican plan... let's take away healthcare and stop feeding people because the rich have been paying too much in taxes.   

The Republicans are back where they were during Trump’s first term — repeal ACA (Obamacare) and replace it with nothing. Talk about the need for “reform”of the system, but do nothing more than getting rid of the ACA and making cuts to Medicaid.



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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 12:18pm


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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 11:14am

DACO.


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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 10:51am

 black321 wrote:


neither side has a particularly compelling argument:
Let's make healthcare that much more expensive for people, or
Let's further increase how much we pay insurance cos for managing our healthcare. 


Trump's got a plan like nobody has ever seen before, available in two weeks.  Just you wait.  It'll be amazing.

Republican plan... let's take away healthcare and stop feeding people because the rich have been paying too much in taxes.   
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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 10:47am

 Red_Dragon wrote:



neither side has a particularly compelling argument:
Let's make healthcare that much more expensive for people, or
Let's further increase how much we pay insurance cos for managing our healthcare. 

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Posted: Nov 10, 2025 - 9:55am

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Notice how all 8 cavers aren't up for reelection. 
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