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How socialism became un-American through the Ad Council’s propaganda campaigns
The Billion-Dollar Disinformation Campaign to Reelect the President
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One day last fall, I sat down to create a new Facebook account. I picked a forgettable name, snapped a profile pic with my face obscured, and clicked “Like” on the official pages of Donald Trump and his reelection campaign. Facebook’s algorithm prodded me to follow Ann Coulter, Fox Business, and a variety of fan pages with names like “In Trump We Trust.” I complied. I also gave my cellphone number to the Trump campaign, and joined a handful of private Facebook groups for MAGA diehards, one of which required an application that seemed designed to screen out interlopers.

The president’s reelection campaign was then in the midst of a multimillion-dollar ad blitz aimed at shaping Americans’ understanding of the recently launched impeachment proceedings. Thousands of micro-targeted ads had flooded the internet, portraying Trump as a heroic reformer cracking down on foreign corruption while Democrats plotted a coup. That this narrative bore little resemblance to reality seemed only to accelerate its spread. Right-wing websites amplified every claim. Pro-Trump forums teemed with conspiracy theories. An alternate information ecosystem was taking shape around the biggest news story in the country, and I wanted to see it from the inside.

The story that unfurled in my Facebook feed over the next several weeks was, at times, disorienting. There were days when I would watch, live on TV, an impeachment hearing filled with damning testimony about the president’s conduct, only to look at my phone later and find a slickly edited video—served up by the Trump campaign—that used out-of-context clips to recast the same testimony as an exoneration. Wait, I caught myself wondering more than once, is that what happened today?

As I swiped at my phone, a stream of pro-Trump propaganda filled the screen: “That’s right, the whistleblower’s own lawyer said, ‘The coup has started …’ ” Swipe. “Democrats are doing Putin’s bidding …” Swipe. “The only message these radical socialists and extremists will understand is a crushing …” Swipe. “Only one man can stop this chaos …” Swipe, swipe, swipe.

I was surprised by the effect it had on me. I’d assumed that my skepticism and media literacy would inoculate me against such distortions. But I soon found myself reflexively questioning every headline. It wasn’t that I believed Trump and his boosters were telling the truth. It was that, in this state of heightened suspicion, truth itself—about Ukraine, impeachment, or anything else—felt more and more difficult to locate. With each swipe, the notion of observable reality drifted further out of reach.

What I was seeing was a strategy that has been deployed by illiberal political leaders around the world. Rather than shutting down dissenting voices, these leaders have learned to harness the democratizing power of social media for their own purposes—jamming the signals, sowing confusion. They no longer need to silence the dissident shouting in the streets; they can use a megaphone to drown him out. Scholars have a name for this: censorship through noise.

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An accidental empire...
We cannot afford Medicare-for-all — this is the end of America as we know it economically. So people have got to wake up to realize we are already, with the retirement of the boomers, going for — heading for an economic shortfall — Medicare-for-all, free education, universal basic income, which are all the tenants of a socialist platform — it is not economically viable and we will go the way of every other empire that has imploded upon itself like the Roman empire.

 
Most medical costs arent optional...we already pay them one way or the other.  

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An accidental empire...
We cannot afford Medicare-for-all — this is the end of America as we know it economically. So people have got to wake up to realize we are already, with the retirement of the boomers, going for — heading for an economic shortfall — Medicare-for-all, free education, universal basic income, which are all the tenants of a socialist platform — it is not economically viable and we will go the way of every other empire that has imploded upon itself like the Roman empire.

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Posted: Jan 30, 2019 - 1:23pm

 black321 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 black321 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 Plenty examples of trying to control economically or politically. Go back to your definition.
 
Sure, only proves my point.  You're not helping your argument, or the point you're trying to make with these random articles posts, one bit.  On the contrary, it diminishes the message of the true harm from these types of actions.  
 
They're not random. There's a pattern that you're not willing to see, i.e. denial. Imperialism is what causes those bad policies.

"National Security Advisor John Bolton announced that the US will freeze Venezuelan assets and block oil payments for Venezuelan oil imports to the US. This would not only be illegal, but would also be yet another crippling blow to the country, says CEPR’s Mark Weisbrot"
 
was referring to your random barrage of posts. 
 
Again, they're not random.
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 R_P wrote:
 black321 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 Plenty examples of trying to control economically or politically. Go back to your definition.
 
Sure, only proves my point.  You're not helping your argument, or the point you're trying to make with these random articles posts, one bit.  On the contrary, it diminishes the message of the true harm from these types of actions.  
 
They're not random. There's a pattern that you're not willing to see, i.e. denial. Imperialism is what causes those bad policies.

"National Security Advisor John Bolton announced that the US will freeze Venezuelan assets and block oil payments for Venezuelan oil imports to the US. This would not only be illegal, but would also be yet another crippling blow to the country, says CEPR’s Mark Weisbrot"
 
was referring to your random barrage of posts.  

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Posted: Jan 30, 2019 - 11:44am

 black321 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 Plenty examples of trying to control economically or politically. Go back to your definition.
 
Sure, only proves my point.  You're not helping your argument, or the point you're trying to make with these random articles posts, one bit.  On the contrary, it diminishes the message of the true harm from these types of actions.  
 
They're not random. There's a pattern that you're not willing to see, i.e. denial. Imperialism is what causes those bad policies.

"National Security Advisor John Bolton announced that the US will freeze Venezuelan assets and block oil payments for Venezuelan oil imports to the US. This would not only be illegal, but would also be yet another crippling blow to the country, says CEPR’s Mark Weisbrot"
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Posted: Jan 30, 2019 - 11:36am



 R_P wrote:

 Plenty examples of trying to control economically or politically. Go back to your definition.
 

Sure, only proves my point.  You're not helping your argument, or the point you're trying to make with these random articles posts, one bit.  On the contrary, it diminishes the message of the true harm from these types of actions.  
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Posted: Jan 30, 2019 - 11:00am


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 R_P wrote:
 black321 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 
Yes, imperialism, even if it's in the guise of: unlike the other imperial powers "we mean well", "we aspire to greater things", "we don't repress." Said every (benevolent) empire ever.

"Innate corruption, meekness, simple lives, squandered opportunities." Such stupid and thankless people, clearly not ready for those "universal GOOD things." Again a familiar refrain heard for centuries by apologists of empire. We just need to teach them through our "civilizing mission."


Imperialism is a state government, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas.

All nations want to exert power over others, but where exactly are we trying to extend dominion over afghan, iraq, libya, venezuela?

American interference has in situations contributed to this or that countries poor position. Ultimately, it is the country, leaders, people themselves who are responsible for their own state.  Saying otherwise is merely saying the people are in fact meek, inferior, rather than acting meek.  

Indeed, which is why they don't need us telling them how to run their country or by intervening there.


Bolton
: "It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela." "We're in conversation with major American companies now...It would make a difference if we could have American companies produce the oil in Venezuela. It would be good for Venezuela and the people of the United States."

Trump's plan to seize Iraq's oil: 'It's not stealing, we're reimbursing ourselves'

Afghanistan should be pretty self-evident, since you're still there doing "the good work."

Sanctions anyone?
 
plenty examples of bad actions, policy, comments...whatever, but not imperialism. bad reporting like that, or calling trump a fascist, just fuels the opposition.  go back to my original comment.
Plenty examples of trying to control economically or politically. Go back to your definition.
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Posted: Jan 30, 2019 - 10:50am



 R_P wrote:
 black321 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 
Yes, imperialism, even if it's in the guise of: unlike the other imperial powers "we mean well", "we aspire to greater things", "we don't repress." Said every (benevolent) empire ever.

"Innate corruption, meekness, simple lives, squandered opportunities." Such stupid and thankless people, clearly not ready for those "universal GOOD things." Again a familiar refrain heard for centuries by apologists of empire. We just need to teach them through our "civilizing mission."


Imperialism is a state government, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas.

All nations want to exert power over others, but where exactly are we trying to extend dominion over afghan, iraq, libya, venezuela?

American interference has in situations contributed to this or that countries poor position. Ultimately, it is the country, leaders, people themselves who are responsible for their own state.  Saying otherwise is merely saying the people are in fact meek, inferior, rather than acting meek.  

Indeed, which is why they don't need us telling them how to run their country or by intervening there.


Bolton
: "It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela." "We're in conversation with major American companies now...It would make a difference if we could have American companies produce the oil in Venezuela. It would be good for Venezuela and the people of the United States."

Trump's plan to seize Iraq's oil: 'It's not stealing, we're reimbursing ourselves'

Afghanistan should be pretty self-evident, since you're still there doing "the good work."

Sanctions anyone?
 


plenty examples of bad actions, policy, comments...whatever, but not imperialism. bad reporting like that, or calling trump a fascist, just fuels the opposition.  go back to my original comment.

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Posted: Jan 30, 2019 - 9:53am

 black321 wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 
Yes, imperialism, even if it's in the guise of: unlike the other imperial powers "we mean well", "we aspire to greater things", "we don't repress." Said every (benevolent) empire ever.

"Innate corruption, meekness, simple lives, squandered opportunities." Such stupid and thankless people, clearly not ready for those "universal GOOD things." Again a familiar refrain heard for centuries by apologists of empire. We just need to teach them through our "civilizing mission."


Imperialism is a state government, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas.

All nations want to exert power over others, but where exactly are we trying to extend dominion over afghan, iraq, libya, venezuela?

American interference has in situations contributed to this or that countries poor position. Ultimately, it is the country, leaders, people themselves who are responsible for their own state.  Saying otherwise is merely saying the people are in fact meek, inferior, rather than acting meek.  

Indeed, which is why they don't need us telling them how to run their country or by intervening there.


Bolton
: "It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela." "We're in conversation with major American companies now...It would make a difference if we could have American companies produce the oil in Venezuela. It would be good for Venezuela and the people of the United States."

Trump's plan to seize Iraq's oil: 'It's not stealing, we're reimbursing ourselves'

Afghanistan should be pretty self-evident, since you're still there doing "the good work."

Sanctions anyone?
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Posted: Jan 30, 2019 - 9:27am



 R_P wrote:
 
Yes, imperialism, even if it's in the guise of: unlike the other imperial powers "we mean well", "we aspire to greater things", "we don't repress." Said every (benevolent) empire ever.

"Innate corruption, meekness, simple lives, squandered opportunities." Such stupid and thankless people, clearly not ready for those "universal GOOD things." Again a familiar refrain heard for centuries by apologists of empire. We just need to teach them through our "civilizing mission."




Imperialism is a state government, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas.

All nations want to exert power over others, but where exactly are we trying to extend dominion over afghan, iraq, libya, venezuela?

American interference has in situations contributed to this or that countries poor position. Ultimately, it is the country, leaders, people themselves who are responsible for their own state.  Saying otherwise is merely saying the people are in fact meek, inferior, rather than acting meek and squandering an opportunity to get their country/home back.   
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Posted: Jan 30, 2019 - 8:31am

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These stories have many very good points, but their constant hyperbole with comments like US imperialism diminish the impact, for the majority of readers, just as the stories that call trump a dictator or fascist. Yes of course the US and other western countries are interested in their financial interests, perhaps first and foremost, but unlike an “imperialist” they aren’t looking to repress the other. On the contrary, they WANT a strong counterparty or trading partner, which is contingent on a strong populace. The problem is not failed imperialism, but a more simple type of failure on two sides. 

When we see the west immediately attempt to prop up an unknown like Guaido, are they not simply reacting to atrocities of the prior leader (Maduro). Perhaps that is the only game in town, so we stumble, in the dark so to speak, to find a decent replacement, thinking if we support this guy who says he wants more democracy/free markets (which is a universal GOOD thing), he will inevitably get the support of his own people (not reliant on the US) and the country will improve. Are we fools to continue to think this can work, given the dismal historical record? Perhaps, but is there much of an alternative?

The other part of the problem is internal. Too often the failures of these regime changes is not just the innate corruption in these areas, but, yes also the meekness (and not in a humble sort of way) of the local people, and particularly the ones in the Mideast. Look at Afghanistan and Iraq. When the US “finished” the real military action, but were still present, where was the uprising of people against the oppressors? Nowhere to be found. They went back to their simple lives, not realizing the historical opportunity they had to improve not necessarily their lives, but those of their children. The opportunity squandered, and allowed the corruption from the old or a new oppressor to step back in. And then the few who were riled up enough see the US working with the still corrupt local powers that be, inevitably going to the new oppressor, and turned into suicide bombers… I'm not putting blame, they have extreme hardships, lack education, healthcare...but it seems this is a huge oversight on the part of the US intelligence and policy.  We need to put more focus on the locals.  Communicating with them, protecting schools, hospitals, basic infrastructure.  Then when the bad guys come to blow it up, its clear who is who.

Imperialism, no. Bad policy, yes.

Yes, imperialism, even if it's in the guise of: unlike the other imperial powers "we mean well", "we aspire to greater things", "we don't repress." Said every (benevolent) empire ever.

"Innate corruption, meekness, simple lives, squandered opportunities." Such stupid and thankless people, clearly not ready for those "universal GOOD things." Again a familiar refrain heard for centuries by apologists of empire. We just need to teach them through our "civilizing mission."

"I'm not putting blame, (...) but..."

There you go again.

As for bad policy: We mean well (see above), but we just happen to consistently eff it up (because we can't figure out who are the good and bad guys). What or who gives you/us the right to foist these policies (including, mostly unilateral, willy-nilly crippling sanctions that must be obeyed by allies as well) on other countries (and that contravene such things as the UN Charter)?

The answer usually is some variant of "well, might makes right: We're stronger and we know better. Now shut up already and do as you're told." No repression whatsoever.

Of course, the proof for all such benevolence would be in how well things are run at home: no corruption, no "atrocities", no hardships, no human rights violations, no poverty, top-notch education and healthcare for everyone, etc., etc.
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Posted: Jan 30, 2019 - 6:27am



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The Empire’s Propagandists
With most media attention in the US on the government shutdown and border wall stand-off spectacle, the Trump administration has been quietly ramping up US militarism around the world. And it has set its sights on Venezuela, once again, by supporting a coup. Whether or not one supports the policies of Maduro or any other leader is inconsequential in this regard because, despite the empty mythos, the American Empire has never been interested in defending democracy. After all, its list of allies include fascist strongholds, a murderous medieval kingdom, a ruthless apartheid regime and several compliant, neoliberal states.

The ruling class of the US imperium will simply not tolerate any government that opposes its financial and geopolitical dominance, attempts socialism, or transfers its nexus to another powerful state entity, like Russia or China for instance. If one chooses to do so it is instantly targeted for assault either by crippling economic sanctions or embargoes, which make governance nearly impossible and primarily harms the general population, or covert subversion, or by direct and indirect military intervention. And the corporate media, when it chooses to cover these issues, generally parrots State Department and Pentagon talking points and obfuscations about the intentions of the US government, the role of corporations and global capitalism, and the character of the governments the US happens to be opposing at the time. And all of this is done with virtually no historical analysis. But of course none of this is new.

Whether it was for Reagan in Grenada or Bush Sr. in Panama or Kuwait, or Clinton in the Balkans, the American mainstream media has dutifully peddled the lies of Washington. The media cycle was drenched in the lies of the Bush administration about “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq. Despite Iraq having absolutely nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11, the corporate media did little to underscore this fact at a time when the Empire was ratcheting up the war machine. Those who questioned it often lost their jobs or were marginalized. Now that this foray resulted in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians, mass migration, and the decimation of an entire region many in the media and some politicians have looked back with selective remorse. As if that helps the dead in any way.

The corporate media came to the aid of the Obama administration when it targeted Libya, repeating stories, many unsubstantiated, about atrocities being carried out by the Gaddafi government. When Gaddafi himself was brutally murdered by a mob his death was talked about in the parlance of empire. “We came, we saw, he died,” Hillary Clinton, then Secretary of State, maniacally proclaimed in a television interview. And the media barely lifted an eyebrow of shock. On the contrary, they laughed and applauded it. Now that country, once one of the most prosperous in Africa, has become a haven for slave traders and a focal point for the migration crisis in Europe. But one would be hard pressed to find many big news stories once the US/NATO war machine has finished bombing their intended target. All the monumental failures and brutality of militarism should rationally signal its end, not only in the US but everywhere. The interests of capital, however, drive its continued expansion. And the corporate media has been its ever faithful mouthpiece. (...)

 

These stories have many very good points, but their constant hyperbole with comments like US imperialism diminish the impact, for the majority of readers, just as the stories that call trump a dictator or fascist. Yes of course the US and other western countries are interested in their financial interests, perhaps first and foremost, but unlike an “imperialist” they aren’t looking to repress the other. On the contrary, they WANT a strong counterparty or trading partner, which is contingent on a strong populace. The problem is not failed imperialism, but a more simple type of failure on two sides. 

When we see the west immediately attempt to prop up an unknown like Guaido, are they not simply reacting to atrocities of the prior leader (Maduro). Perhaps that is the only game in town, so we stumble, in the dark so to speak, to find a decent replacement, thinking if we support this guy who says he wants more democracy/free markets (which is a universal GOOD thing), he will inevitably get the support of his own people (not reliant on the US) and the country will improve. Are we fools to continue to think this can work, given the dismal historical record? Perhaps, but is there much of an alternative?

The other part of the problem is internal. Too often the failures of these regime changes is not just the innate corruption in these areas, but, yes also the meekness (and not in a humble sort of way) of the local people, and particularly the ones in the Mideast. Look at Afghanistan and Iraq. When the US “finished” the real military action, but were still present, where was the uprising of people against the oppressors? Nowhere to be found. They went back to their simple lives, not realizing the historical opportunity they had to improve not necessarily their lives, but those of their children. The opportunity squandered, and allowed the corruption from the old or a new oppressor to step back in. And then the few who were riled up enough see the US working with the still corrupt local powers that be, inevitably going to the new oppressor, and turned into suicide bombers… I'm not putting blame, they have extreme hardships, lack education, healthcare...but it seems this is a huge oversight on the part of the US intelligence and policy.  We need to put more focus on the locals.  Communicating with them, protecting schools, hospitals, basic infrastructure.  Then when the bad guys come to blow it up, its clear who is who.

Imperialism, no. Bad policy, yes. 


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