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haresfur

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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 9:39pm

 VV wrote:



What exactly have I lied about comrade? I did speculate (but didn’t lie) that I thought the Nord Stream bombings were most assuredly a Russian action as the US has far more to lose in this action than gain. If speculation = lie then all of us have been lying in these forums on a daily basis. Yourself included.


I can and have speculated about the sabotage and, yeah, in the grand scheme of things it is meaningless. I am convinced that the European nations do know who did it and that's what is really important.

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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 9:35pm

 miamizsun wrote:

my first grade nun, sister mary adrienne
i claim she was in the top five toughest people to ever live
but i only six, so who really knows...

I ran a nun over once in the classroom.
We did a blind collide. Almost flattened her.
I felt bad. She got mad. 

I was taller than her. This was the fifth grade.
I think she was Russian.

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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 6:15pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
... and lo and behold one of the Nordstream 2 lines is apparently still functional.. the one that was politically killed off at the beginning of the crisis -  even before it started operating... "if you are not going to use it, I'll force you to use it", 

now who does that remind me of?

my first grade nun, sister mary adrienne
i claim she was in the top five toughest people to ever live
but i was only six, so who really knows...


NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 6:09pm

 VV wrote:



What exactly have I lied about comrade? I did speculate (but didn’t lie) that I thought the Nord Stream bombings were most assuredly a Russian action as the US has far more to lose in this action than gain. If speculation = lie then all of us have been lying in these forums on a daily basis. Yourself included.



... and lo and behold one of the Nordstream 2 lines is apparently still functional.. the one that was politically killed off at the beginning of the crisis -  even before it started operating... "if you are not going to use it, I'll force you to use it", 

now who does that remind me of?
VV

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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 5:05pm

 westslope wrote:

You speculate based on zero information.  You are no better than a MAGA Republican!

Over to you sweetheart.  



…and your speculation was based on what… a cartoon you liked? Back to you dumbass…
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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 4:55pm

 VV wrote:



What exactly have I lied about comrade? I did speculate (but didn’t lie) that I thought the Nord Stream bombings were most assuredly a Russian action as the US has far more to lose in this action than gain. If speculation = lie then all of us have been lying in these forums on a daily basis. Yourself included.


You speculate based on zero information.  You are no better than a MAGA Republican!

Over to you sweetheart.  

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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 4:23pm

 westslope wrote:

VV:  Why do you and others exhibit such a high willingness to sacrifice Ukrainian lives?     Are you an American Vampire with a strong taste for rivers of blood?  

Why do have such a great imagination and allow yourself to speculate about stuff that you know absolutely nothing about?   Example:  the sabotage of NordStream 1.   Are you genetically programmed to make up stuff and lie?  




What exactly have I lied about comrade? I did speculate (but didn’t lie) that I thought the Nord Stream bombings were most assuredly a Russian action as the US has far more to lose in this action than gain. If speculation = lie then all of us have been lying in these forums on a daily basis. Yourself included.

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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 4:23pm

 VV wrote:

May I?

Because he’s a transparent shill for Russian propaganda who is deeply embarrassed by the grossly inept Russian war machine and their slaughter and torture of innocent Ukrainian civilians. He doesn’t know how to really address the growing Russian failure and can’t acknowledge Ukrainian sovereignty and right to self defense and self determination. So to duck all of that unpleasantness, he tries to blame the victim (Ukraine) for continuing to engage in hostilities and makes a thinly veiled attempt at concern for the Ukrainian lives lost.   He has no real concern for that but is quick to blame others for what he views as supporting Ukrainian in the conflict. The difference in viewpoints is that I believe the lives lost are unfortunately necessary for Ukaraine to rightfully reclaim illegally seized land and ensure their freedom. He believes the lives lost are lost totally in vain… I guess. My speculation is that he’s got some family connection to Russia which blinds him to what is really happening while Russia struggles with the aftermath of a devastating decision by a monster whose time at the top is limited.




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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 4:18pm

 haresfur wrote:

Ukrainians have a right to protect their country and are willing to sacrifice their lives for it rather than being part of the Russian shit-show. We aren't sacrificing any lives.

I always had trouble with the concept of cultural genocide but now see how decades of locating Russians into Ukraine and the current forced removal of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians from their homes into camps in Russia really is genocide.

The question is why do you have such a high willingness to let Russia reestablish the Soviet Union against the wishes of the people in those countries? Why do you support the corruption, murder, and torture?

May I?

Because he’s a transparent shill for Russian propaganda who is deeply embarrassed by the grossly inept Russian war machine and their slaughter and torture of innocent Ukrainian civilians. He doesn’t know how to really address the growing Russian failure and can’t acknowledge Ukrainian sovereignty and right to self defense and self determination. So to duck all of that unpleasantness, he tries to blame the victim (Ukraine) for continuing to engage in hostilities and makes a thinly veiled attempt at concern for the Ukrainian lives lost.   He has no real concern for that but is quick to blame others for what he views as supporting Ukraine 🇺🇦 in the conflict. The difference in viewpoints is that I believe the lives lost are unfortunately necessary for Ukaraine to rightfully reclaim illegally seized land and ensure their freedom. He believes the lives lost are lost totally in vain… I guess. My speculation is that he’s got some family connection to Russia which blinds him to what is really happening while Russia struggles with the aftermath of a devastating decision by a monster whose time at the top is limited.



haresfur

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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 2:32pm

 westslope wrote:

VV:  Why do you and others exhibit such a high willingness to sacrifice Ukrainian lives?     Are you an American Vampire with a strong taste for rivers of blood?  

Why do have such a great imagination and allow yourself to speculate about stuff that you know absolutely nothing about?   Example:  the sabotage of NordStream 1.   Are you genetically programmed to make up stuff and lie?  


Ukrainians have a right to protect their country and are willing to sacrifice their lives for it rather than being part of the Russian shit-show. We aren't sacrificing any lives.

I always had trouble with the concept of cultural genocide but now see how decades of locating Russians into Ukraine and the current forced removal of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians from their homes into camps in Russia really is genocide.

The question is why do you have such a high willingness to let Russia reestablish the Soviet Union against the wishes of the people in those countries? Why do you support the corruption, murder, and torture?
westslope

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Posted: Oct 6, 2022 - 2:14pm

 VV wrote:

Just wondering why you are pretending to care about the sacrifice that Ukraine is making? Looks now like the tide is turning and Ukraine has Russia on it's heels. Something that would not have been possible without Ukrainian commitment to its self determination and sovereignty.  Russia's army is being exposed for the grossly inept fighting force it truly is.


VV:  Why do you and others exhibit such a high willingness to sacrifice Ukrainian lives?     Are you an American Vampire with a strong taste for rivers of blood?  

Why do have such a great imagination and allow yourself to speculate about stuff that you know absolutely nothing about?   Example:  the sabotage of NordStream 1.   Are you genetically programmed to make up stuff and lie?  

VV

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Posted: Oct 5, 2022 - 8:36pm

 westslope wrote:
Just wondering why you are pretending to care about the sacrifice that Ukraine is making? Looks now like the tide is turning and Ukraine has Russia on it's heels. Something that would not have been possible without Ukrainian commitment to its self determination and sovereignty.  Russia's army is being exposed for the grossly inept fighting force it truly is.

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Posted: Oct 5, 2022 - 7:32am

 miamizsun wrote:


haven't heard this interview, however i did watch/listen to his recent video with smerconish
i don't think it is too difficult to find actual anti-semetic and pro-authoritarian comments from roger
he is an excellent poet and musician
unfortunately most of his political positions/solutions are just foolish/unprincipled




I watched that interview (Aug 22). I agree with the point about how the US played a political role in this conflict, going back on the promise to Gorbachev on Nato expansion, but not how he frames the current narrative...giving russia a pass. 
And i don't really want to keep this conversation going, but antisemite? No. What exactly has he said to support  that? He has clearly explained he's against the Israel gov (not the people), specifically expansion into palestinian territories...against the 48  peace accord...and the treatment of palestinians.  
Pro-authoritarian?
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Posted: Oct 1, 2022 - 6:58am

 black321 wrote:


Nice interview. Allows you to get beyond the lame headlines that Roger is an antisemite, putin supporter. 


haven't heard this interview, however i did watch/listen to his recent video with smerconish
i don't think it is too difficult to find actual anti-semetic and pro-authoritarian comments from roger
he is an excellent poet and musician
unfortunately most of his political positions/solutions are just foolish/unprincipled


black321

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Posted: Sep 30, 2022 - 3:04pm

 R_P wrote:

Nice interview. Allows you to get beyond the lame headlines that Roger is an antisemite, putin supporter. 
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Posted: Sep 19, 2022 - 10:59am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:



"swallows Russian propaganda like it's the jizz of the Gods" - who comes with this stuff

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Posted: Sep 18, 2022 - 6:55am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


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