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Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 20, 2024 - 7:26am

 kurtster wrote:
I do not know how the NZ Constitution is set up and provided for this kind of change.

Tell me how this could be done under our Constitution, please.

Thank you in advance.

Proportional representation would require a constitutional change, a pretty extensive one. Other forms of electoral reform (ranked choice voting, assigning electoral college votes by vote proportion rather than winner-take-all, etc.) could be accomplished at the state level.

And should be, but that's a whole 'nother argument.
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 20, 2024 - 12:23am

 kurtster wrote:

I do not know how the NZ Constitution is set up and provided for this kind of change.

Tell me how this could be done under our Constitution, please.

Thank you in advance.


ha, no idea, mate. Not my remit.
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 20, 2024 - 12:20am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

An electoral revolution?

 

High time you guys installed some kind of MMP, I reckon. It's no cure-all, but it might help.
 
I do not know how the NZ Constitution is set up and provided for this kind of change.

Tell me how this could be done under our Constitution, please.

Thank you in advance.
islander

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Posted: Mar 19, 2024 - 9:15pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

An electoral revolution?

In 1993 New Zealanders voted in a referendum to change their voting system from the traditional first past the post (FPP) method to mixed member proportional representation (MMP). This was the most dramatic change to the country's electoral system since the introduction of women's suffrage exactly 100 years before. How and why did this electoral revolution come about?

The origins of electoral reform lay in the gradual breakdown of public trust and confidence in politicians, Parliament and the simple certainties of the old two-party system. This process began in the 1950s and 1960s and gathered momentum in the 1970s and 1980s, decades marked by economic uncertainty and the emergence of new social and political movements.


Sound familiar? The current support for Trump feels so reminiscent to what NZ was like under Muldoon (who was a lamb compared to Trump but also incited violence and ran on a platform of law and order to quell the very violence he instigated). The experience was bad enough for us to introduce MMP as soon as he lost power.

But it also makes me think of what my American professor said back in the 80's: The Americans generally oscillate between the parties regardless of who is running or what their platform is. It is part of the country's DNA.

This is about the only explanation I can find for Trump still enjoying such high polling numbers.
High time you guys installed some kind of MMP, I reckon. It's no cure-all, but it might help.


Okay by me. I still favor ranked choice, but I see a lot of value in forcing coalitions for governance.
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 19, 2024 - 9:10pm

An electoral revolution?

In 1993 New Zealanders voted in a referendum to change their voting system from the traditional first past the post (FPP) method to mixed member proportional representation (MMP). This was the most dramatic change to the country's electoral system since the introduction of women's suffrage exactly 100 years before. How and why did this electoral revolution come about?

The origins of electoral reform lay in the gradual breakdown of public trust and confidence in politicians, Parliament and the simple certainties of the old two-party system. This process began in the 1950s and 1960s and gathered momentum in the 1970s and 1980s, decades marked by economic uncertainty and the emergence of new social and political movements.


Sound familiar? The current support for Trump feels so reminiscent to what NZ was like under Muldoon (who was a lamb compared to Trump but also incited violence and ran on a platform of law and order to quell the very violence he instigated). The experience was bad enough for us to introduce MMP as soon as he lost power.

But it also makes me think of what my American professor said back in the 80's: The Americans generally oscillate between the parties regardless of who is running or what their platform is. It is part of the country's DNA.

This is about the only explanation I can find for Trump still enjoying such high polling numbers.
High time you guys installed some kind of MMP, I reckon. It's no cure-all, but it might help.
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Posted: Mar 17, 2024 - 11:43am

538
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Posted: Mar 15, 2024 - 12:59pm


AIPAC uncorks $100 million war chest to sink progressive candidates
Building on a successful playbook from 2022, AIPAC and other aligned groups are picking their targets — many more of them this time.
black321

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Posted: Mar 7, 2024 - 10:49am

 oldviolin wrote:



I couldn't decide between Toad and Trime Taveler, so I didn't...
I expect the write-ins will be interesting should we make it to November. Hey, I'm joking! I'm quite optimistic, though not about temporal things...




Undecided...and begrudgingly optimistic
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Posted: Mar 7, 2024 - 10:20am

 black321 wrote:

Current candidates:

List of Democratic candidates

  • Joe Biden (D), incumbent president of the United States, announced he would run for re-election on April 25, 2023.
  • Marianne Williamson (D), 2020 presidential candidate and author, announced her candidacy on February 23, 2023. She withdrew from the race on February 7, 2024, and re-entered the race on February 28.

Other Democratic candidates

List of Republican candidates
  • Donald Trump (R), former U.S. President, announced his candidacy on November 15, 2022
Third party or independent candidates
See also: List of 2024 registered Green presidential candidates and List of 2024 registered Libertarian presidential candidates
  • Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Independent), withdrew from the Democratic primary and announced he would run as an independent on October 9, 2023.
  • Chase Oliver (Libertarian Party), a candidate in the 2022 Georgia U.S. Senate race, announced his candidacy on April 4, 2023.
  • Jill Stein (Green Party), the 2016 Green Party presidential nominee, announced her candidacy on November 9, 2023.
  • Cornel West (Independent), philosopher and activist, announced his candidacy on June 5, 2023.














I couldn't decide between Toad and Trime Taveler, so I didn't...
I expect the write-ins will be interesting should we make it to November. Hey, I'm joking! I'm quite optimistic, though not about temporal things...


black321

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Posted: Mar 7, 2024 - 10:06am

Current candidates:

List of Democratic candidates
  • Joe Biden (D), incumbent president of the United States, announced he would run for re-election on April 25, 2023.<32>
  • Marianne Williamson (D), 2020 presidential candidate and author, announced her candidacy on February 23, 2023.<42> She withdrew from the race on February 7, 2024, and re-entered the race on February 28.<6><4>

Other Democratic candidates

List of Republican candidates
  • Donald Trump (R), former U.S. President, announced his candidacy on November 15, 2022
Third party or independent candidates
See also: List of 2024 registered Green presidential candidates and List of 2024 registered Libertarian presidential candidates










Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 5, 2024 - 4:26pm

No Safety
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Posted: Feb 9, 2024 - 3:21pm


rgio

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Posted: Jan 25, 2024 - 6:27am

 miamizsun wrote:
there's a drop down by state on that page

AZ
GA
MI
NV
PA
WI

Yup...the edit to my post below... Trump flips AZ and GA to win.  It's January... a lot is going to happen before people vote.


miamizsun

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Posted: Jan 25, 2024 - 6:24am

 rgio wrote:

National polls are pointless. 

It comes down to 6 states...the same 6 as 2020.  The question becomes, have the MAGA folks put enough local "leadership" (used very loosely) in place to find 11,861 votes....or eliminate the duplicate dead people voting... etc.  If not, we'll have another fixed election.  If so, it doesn't matter.



there's a drop down by state on that page

AZ
GA
MI
NV
PA
WI
rgio

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Posted: Jan 25, 2024 - 6:09am

 miamizsun wrote:
National polls are pointless. 

It comes down to 6 states...the same 6 as 2020.  The question becomes, have the MAGA folks put enough local "leadership" (used very loosely) in place to find 11,861 votes....or eliminate the duplicate dead people voting... etc.  If not, we'll have another fixed election.  If so, it doesn't matter.

Current 538 state polls have a narrow Trump win, with GA and AZ being the "flips" from 2020.  A long way to go.
miamizsun

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Posted: Jan 25, 2024 - 5:06am

538 Polls - President General Election


islander

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Posted: Jan 24, 2024 - 1:21pm

 Beaker wrote:

Imma thinking of buying one of those fancy new Tulsa cars.






Wait, wait... so union efforts pay off in getting people double digit raises and Biden mispronounces Tesla in the list of companies and you think that's going to make him look bad vs. trumps word salad?  Keep pushing the Biden is old /slow/incapable meme if you want, but the rest of that clip is miles away better than anything from trump recently.

*-still not a fan, but still better than a shit sandwich.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jan 24, 2024 - 1:11pm

 kcar wrote:

Political satire is one of the best ways to bring people 'round to your thinking. Trump practically writes the scripts for Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. One of the best ways to beat Trump is to make him look ridiculous and laugh at him.  With Trump in obvious mental decline, Stewart and Colbert are gonna have a field day. Getcha popcorn. 



Also, Trevor Noah was good but not Jon Stewart good. Now that Noah's gone, the show's in peril. Since Stewart owns a part of it, he's got to do something to salvage his stake in the property.

/cynic but I'll watch.

Beaker

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Posted: Jan 24, 2024 - 12:54pm

Imma thinking of buying one of those fancy new Tulsa cars.



kcar

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Posted: Jan 24, 2024 - 12:49pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


ya think?

Political satire is one of the best ways to bring people 'round to your thinking. Trump practically writes the scripts for Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. One of the best ways to beat Trump is to make him look ridiculous and laugh at him.  With Trump in obvious mental decline, Stewart and Colbert are gonna have a field day. Getcha popcorn. 

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