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black321

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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 6:35am

 kurtster wrote:

Only to set the record straight, the initial raid of the so called SS Trust Fund began in the 60's during the war in Viet Nam in order to fund the war.  That is when the first I O U 's were "deposited".

Now we know since the Obama Administration that there is no Trust Fund other than a column for bookkeeping purposes.  That all monies are mixed in the general fund as declared that during one of the earliest government shutdowns during his term then that it was very likely that SS checks would not be paid, just to keep this simple.  That was the scare tactic used.

Texas ?  I would suggest California and New York instead ...

I thought that was Johnson, and that bookkeeping rule was reversed in the 90s.  
What everyone knows is raygun started taxing these benefits. 
and sell California? The home state of the gipper?

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Posted: May 9, 2024 - 7:22am

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don't forget vermin supreme
"everybody has a right to a pony"


Well, they’re part of his big picture platform. Free ponies. Along with the flying monkeys to check your dental health.

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Posted: May 8, 2024 - 4:53pm

 kurtster wrote:

Only to set the record straight, the initial raid of the so called SS Trust Fund began in the 60's during the war in Viet Nam in order to fund the war.  That is when the first I O U 's were "deposited".

Now we know since the Obama Administration that there is no Trust Fund other than a column for bookkeeping purposes.  That all monies are mixed in the general fund as declared that during one of the earliest government shutdowns during his term then that it was very likely that SS checks would not be paid, just to keep this simple.  That was the scare tactic used.

Texas ?  I would suggest California and New York instead ...


Those IOUs are mostly what's called Treasury notes, bills or bonds. They are some of the safest securities ever. You probably have some. If you do and are really concerned, I'll buy them all from you today at 9% discount. Let me know. 
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Posted: May 8, 2024 - 4:27pm

 kurtster wrote:

Only to set the record straight, the initial raid of the so called SS Trust Fund began in the 60's during the war in Viet Nam in order to fund the war.  That is when the first I O U 's were "deposited".

Now we know since the Obama Administration that there is no Trust Fund other than a column for bookkeeping purposes.  That all monies are mixed in the general fund as declared that during one of the earliest government shutdowns during his term then that it was very likely that SS checks would not be paid, just to keep this simple.  That was the scare tactic used.

Texas ?  I would suggest California and New York instead ...

Careful what you wish for. CA & NY account for over 22% of the entire US gross domestic product. Good luck without that.


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Posted: May 8, 2024 - 4:09pm

 black321 wrote:

But of course, the funds going into SS have been raided by congress to fund other programs for decades.

My suggestion is to sells assets. 
We can start with Texas
 
Only to set the record straight, the initial raid of the so called SS Trust Fund began in the 60's during the war in Viet Nam in order to fund the war.  That is when the first I O U 's were "deposited".

Now we know since the Obama Administration that there is no Trust Fund other than a column for bookkeeping purposes.  That all monies are mixed in the general fund as declared that during one of the earliest government shutdowns during his term then that it was very likely that SS checks would not be paid, just to keep this simple.  That was the scare tactic used.

Texas ?  I would suggest California and New York instead ...
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Posted: May 8, 2024 - 4:01pm

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Posted: May 8, 2024 - 3:37pm

 miamizsun wrote:


don't forget vermin supreme
"everybody has a right to a pony"


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Posted: May 8, 2024 - 3:14pm

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The important part of the story is him saying (not someone else theorizing) that he has “short-term and long-term memory” problems.

Anyone still on his team is just casting a not-Biden/not-Trump vote and they’re gonna mess everything up, a la Nader or Stein.



don't forget vermin supreme
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Posted: May 8, 2024 - 2:15pm

 black321 wrote:

This may be just what Kennedy needs to get a jump in the polls!  


Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s campaign is responding following a report from the New York Times saying that years ago doctors found a dead worm in his brain.

The Times reported Wednesday that doctors noticed a dark spot in brain scans for Kennedy after he experienced memory loss in 2010 and concluded he had a brain tumor, according to a 2012 deposition. He received a call from another doctor who believed that it was not a tumor, and was instead a dead parasite.


Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 'contracted a parasite' during travels, his team says after NYT report (msn.com)




The important part of the story is him saying (not someone else theorizing) that he has “short-term and long-term memory” problems.

Anyone still on his team is just casting a not-Biden/not-Trump vote and they’re gonna mess everything up, a la Nader or Stein.

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Posted: May 8, 2024 - 1:40pm

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Talk about worms dead and living, here's one for number crunchers and career politicians and their enablers...





Well, when it started out, it was more of a safety net than a retirement entitlement benefit...and most people only lived a few years, right?
But of course, the funds going into SS have been raided by congress to fund other programs for decades.
Too late to solve that problem, $ is gone, spent on guns, roads, benefits of others...
Could cut the benefit, extend the age requirement or other means.
My suggestion is to sells assets. 
We can start with Texas
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Posted: May 8, 2024 - 1:25pm

Talk about worms dead and living, here's one for number crunchers and career politicians and their enablers...


black321

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Posted: May 8, 2024 - 11:51am

This may be just what Kennedy needs to get a jump in the polls!  


Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s campaign is responding following a report from the New York Times saying that years ago doctors found a dead worm in his brain.

The Times reported Wednesday that doctors noticed a dark spot in brain scans for Kennedy after he experienced memory loss in 2010 and concluded he had a brain tumor, according to a 2012 deposition. He received a call from another doctor who believed that it was not a tumor, and was instead a dead parasite.


Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 'contracted a parasite' during travels, his team says after NYT report (msn.com)



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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 5:49pm

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They are not on the same sides of a coalition they are all in a coalition with the rest of the democrats, though. Uneasy bedfellows or something.

Ok, got it. I am not a Manchin fan. I think he leveraged his newfound power because of the razor-thin Democratic majority to promote himself. He knew he was likely to lose his Senate reelection bid this year to Judge. So he announced he was not running, and then flirted with being a presidential candidate for the No Labels folk. 

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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 5:28pm

 steeler wrote:

I would not include Manchin in a coalition with Sanders and Warren.



They are not on the same sides of a coalition they are all in a coalition with the rest of the democrats, though. Uneasy bedfellows or something.
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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 4:38pm

 haresfur wrote:


I've previously said my opposition to giving too much power to minor groups, with Israel as the example. Australia sort of addresses the issue with rank choice voting and 12 senators from each state and 2 from each of the internal territories. This means that it is reasonably easy for minor parties to be elected in the senate but still limits influence at the house level where there are currently, I think, 3 parties and a coalition of socially liberal, fiscally conservative, anti-corruption, dominantly women independents.

I think that the US effectively has a coalition with the likes of Sanders, Warren, and Manchin in the democrats, and what's left of the actual conservatives in the republicans. 

I would not include Manchin in a coalition with Sanders and Warren.

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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 4:31pm

 islander wrote:


Okay by me. I still favor ranked choice, but I see a lot of value in forcing coalitions for governance.


I've previously said my opposition to giving too much power to minor groups, with Israel as the example. Australia sort of addresses the issue with rank choice voting and 12 senators from each state and 2 from each of the internal territories. This means that it is reasonably easy for minor parties to be elected in the senate but still limits influence at the house level where there are currently, I think, 3 parties and a coalition of socially liberal, fiscally conservative, anti-corruption, dominantly women independents.

I think that the US effectively has a coalition with the likes of Sanders, Warren, and Manchin in the democrats, and what's left of the actual conservatives in the republicans. 
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Posted: Apr 19, 2024 - 7:51am

In many ways, Kennedy is an ideal candidate for both the far left and far right, and even the angry, ignored middle...certainly a no-less flawed candidate than the two established wankers.  
The cover ups by big biz and gov, that danger the environment and people, leftwing policies like increasing taxes to take care of the poor…and the conspiracies / coverups the gov does/doesn’t participate in here and abroad, securing the border, gun rights, denounces media…and like trump, an insider/outside who has trouble keeping his mouth shut, but unlike trump, he really wants to change the gov…

Squint, and you can see a parable of Kennedy’s decision to run against the Democrats, the party of his family going back to his great-grandfather. Duty is his professed reason for challenging Biden for the Democratic nomination and then launching his independent candidacy last October. (His path to the ticket was unfairly blocked by the dnc, he alleges.) “I never intended to run for president,” Kennedy avers. But he “saw things happening to my party and my country that made me frightened about the world that my children are going to grow up in”.
Under Biden, Kennedy now says, the Democrats are a corrupt party of war, corporate control and censorship. The censorship he is talking about is partly of him: he alleges that Biden was personally responsible for some of his social-media suspensions. He claims that the prospect of four more years of Biden, who keeps a bust of Kennedy’s father in the Oval Office, worries him as much as a second term for Donald Trump. JFK and Bobby senior “would have walked away” from today’s Democratic Party, he believes. In a public statement last October, four of his siblings disagreed forcefully.

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Posted: Mar 20, 2024 - 7:26am

 kurtster wrote:
I do not know how the NZ Constitution is set up and provided for this kind of change.

Tell me how this could be done under our Constitution, please.

Thank you in advance.

Proportional representation would require a constitutional change, a pretty extensive one. Other forms of electoral reform (ranked choice voting, assigning electoral college votes by vote proportion rather than winner-take-all, etc.) could be accomplished at the state level.

And should be, but that's a whole 'nother argument.
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Posted: Mar 20, 2024 - 12:23am

 kurtster wrote:

I do not know how the NZ Constitution is set up and provided for this kind of change.

Tell me how this could be done under our Constitution, please.

Thank you in advance.


ha, no idea, mate. Not my remit.
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