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Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 5:25pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:
 Real_Pinhead wrote:
 KarmaKarma wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 KarmaKarma wrote:

 
You might want to read the charge documents and check out some videos readily available of the guy before you kneejerk post contrary info.

Or, NAH.
 
You got so excited you forgot the link for your screaming headline? I do hope you washed your hands...

My link has verified information (and those videos). No froth...
 

My links go to DOJ charging docs along with photos & vids of the crime in progress.  

But nah.  Â¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
No one is arguing he wasn't there.

As usual though, your conclusions (and those of frothy pundits) are another matter. Still trying really hard to create a false narrative. It's Them. Not Us.

What else? Trump didn't incite?
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Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 5:19pm



 Real_Pinhead wrote:
 KarmaKarma wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 KarmaKarma wrote:

 
You might want to read the charge documents and check out some videos readily available of the guy before you kneejerk post contrary info.

Or, NAH.
 
You got so excited you forgot the link for your screaming headline? I do hope you washed your hands...

My link has verified information (and those videos). No froth...
 

My links go to DOJ charging docs along with photos & vids of the crime in progress.  

But nah.  Â¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 5:06pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 KarmaKarma wrote:

 
You might want to read the charge documents and check out some videos readily available of the guy before you kneejerk post contrary info.

Or, NAH.
 
You got so excited you forgot the link for your screaming headline? I do hope you washed your hands...

My link has verified information (and those videos). No froth...
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Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 5:01pm



 R_P wrote:
 KarmaKarma wrote:

 
You might want to read the charge documents and check out some videos readily available of the guy before you kneejerk post contrary info.

Or, NAH.

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Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 4:50pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:

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Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 4:01pm

There goes the narrative!

Watch for CNN to cover this one... 

FBI Arrests Antifa Leader John Sullivan in Utah After Storming US Capitol


"Antifa-Insurgence leader John Earl Sullivan is in custody after being arrested in Utah on Thursday.

As reported previously Antifa protester John Sullivan was caught on video posing as a Trump supporter during the rioting at the US Capitol last week."



John Sullivan agitated a crowd to attack the doors in the Speaker's Lobby which lead to Ashli Babbitt's death

He was invited on CNN later that night

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pa...
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Posted: Jan 13, 2021 - 7:12pm



 kcar wrote:
Perhaps this story has already been posted but the irony is too sweet:

Trump rioters could face long jail terms because of his executive order to punish BLM.....

 

Definitely.  Though none of this excuses the political violence that accompanied some of the BLM demonstrations.  Nor does it restore the image of the BLM movement with folks alienated by the violence.

It is good to have what...  recent bi-partisan events that amply illustrate how violence can lead to loss of control over the narrative and ultimately less political support for the agenda.
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Posted: Jan 13, 2021 - 4:24pm



 kcar wrote:
Perhaps this story has already been posted but the irony is too sweet:

Trump rioters could face long jail terms because of his executive order to punish BLM

President Donald Trump in July 2020 had signed an executive order authorising up to 10 years of imprisonment for 'injury of federal property’





Condemning the violent rioters who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday, acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen in a statement assured that those responsible for the attack would "face the full consequences of their actions under the law."


The protesters are liable to be punished with up to 10 years in prison for “injury of federal property," under the executive order signed by President Donald Trump during the Black Lives Matter anti-racism protests in July 2020.


"I just had the privilege of signing a very strong Executive Order protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues - and combatting recent Criminal Violence," Mr Trump wrote on Twitter on 26 June, after people took to the streets in the wake of George Floyd’s murder. "Long prison terms for these lawless acts against our Great Country!"




 


oh, snap

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Posted: Jan 13, 2021 - 4:23pm

Perhaps this story has already been posted but the irony is too sweet:

Trump rioters could face long jail terms because of his executive order to punish BLM

President Donald Trump in July 2020 had signed an executive order authorising up to 10 years of imprisonment for 'injury of federal property’

Condemning the violent rioters who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday, acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen in a statement assured that those responsible for the attack would "face the full consequences of their actions under the law."


The protesters are liable to be punished with up to 10 years in prison for “injury of federal property," under the executive order signed by President Donald Trump during the Black Lives Matter anti-racism protests in July 2020.


"I just had the privilege of signing a very strong Executive Order protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues - and combatting recent Criminal Violence," Mr Trump wrote on Twitter on 26 June, after people took to the streets in the wake of George Floyd’s murder. "Long prison terms for these lawless acts against our Great Country!"


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Posted: Jan 13, 2021 - 2:30pm



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


 R_P wrote: 
It's all fun and games until someone loses a democracy and gets to wear the official Hugo Boss outfit.
  



 


+1
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Posted: Jan 13, 2021 - 1:40pm



 Steely_D wrote:

 

...and that's why there are things like reading out the riot act. Crowds gathered for legal, if not necessarily moral, purposes can easily get out of hand. But being part of the getting out of hand is no excuse. Not even a tempering factor
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Posted: Jan 13, 2021 - 12:57pm

White Riot
How racism, grievance, resentment and the fear of diminished status came together to fuel violence and mayhem on Jan. 6.
There is no question that out-and-out racism and a longing to return to the days of white supremacy were high on the list of motivations of the pro-Trump mob that ransacked the Capitol on Jan. 6.

That should not end the discussion about why it happened, though. There are other questions we need to ask that do not (and could never) justify the violence and mayhem but seek instead to help us gain further insight into the lethal force that attacked Congress a week ago and is poised to strike again.

It may sound trivial at first, in light of what happened, but how important is the frustration among what pollsters call non-college white men at not being able to compete with those higher up on the socioeconomic ladder because of educational disadvantage? How critical is declining value in marriage — or mating — markets? Does any of that really matter?

How toxic is the combination of pessimism and anger that stems from a deterioration in standing and authority? What might engender existential despair, this sense of irretrievable loss? How hard is it for any group, whether it is racial, political or ethnic, to come to terms with losing power and status? What encourages desperate behavior and a willingness to believe a pack of lies?

I posed these questions to a wide range of experts. This column explores their replies. (...)

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Posted: Jan 13, 2021 - 11:55am



 R_P wrote: 
It's all fun and games until someone loses a democracy and gets to wear the official Hugo Boss outfit.
  



R_P

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Posted: Jan 13, 2021 - 11:44am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
 R_P wrote:
Decoding the Far-Right Symbols at the Capitol Riot
There were militia flags and banners of extremist groups, as well as absurd images of dinosaurs and comic book logos that belied the violence that was to unfold.



cosplay


"...But perhaps it’s this very unseriousness, this retreat from the disappointments and defeats of real life, that provides the appeal of political fantasy. A similar process takes place in the extreme right’s use of “ironic” memes and jokes that revel in their own absurdity: irony suspends the rules that usually govern people’s lives, allowing them to say and do things without “really saying them”, to engage in a kind of camp play-acting, until, of course, they feel comfortable really believing it, and drop the pretence.."
 
It's all fun and games until someone loses a democracy and gets to wear the official Hugo Boss outfit.
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Posted: Jan 13, 2021 - 11:34am



 R_P wrote:
Decoding the Far-Right Symbols at the Capitol Riot
There were militia flags and banners of extremist groups, as well as absurd images of dinosaurs and comic book logos that belied the violence that was to unfold.

 

cosplay


"...But perhaps it’s this very unseriousness, this retreat from the disappointments and defeats of real life, that provides the appeal of political fantasy. A similar process takes place in the extreme right’s use of “ironic” memes and jokes that revel in their own absurdity: irony suspends the rules that usually govern people’s lives, allowing them to say and do things without “really saying them”, to engage in a kind of camp play-acting, until, of course, they feel comfortable really believing it, and drop the pretence.."
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Posted: Jan 13, 2021 - 10:46am

Decoding the Far-Right Symbols at the Capitol Riot
There were militia flags and banners of extremist groups, as well as absurd images of dinosaurs and comic book logos that belied the violence that was to unfold.

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Posted: Jan 12, 2021 - 3:19pm


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Posted: Jan 12, 2021 - 10:24am



 Steely_D wrote:


I bet that's where I read it. Opened the tab, got to it later, forgot to credit you. Apologies.
 


No worries, I'm an obsessive redundancy cop.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2021 - 10:21am



 Red_Dragon wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:
 

ahem...


 

I bet that's where I read it. Opened the tab, got to it later, forgot to credit you. Apologies.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2021 - 10:12am



 Steely_D wrote:
 

ahem...


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