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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 4:48pm

I took a break from working on music and on my way to the coffee pot I heard Martha MacCallum interviewing Pulitzer winner Charlie LeDuff.  A clip was shown with a Chicago BLM organizer speaking at an organized event where she justified looting by saying "looting is reparations".  She also stated that it did not hurt the businesses "because they have insurance".  I referenced the interview only to cite where I saw the actual footage.

There we have it.  "Looting is reparations"
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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 2:08pm

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Memorandum of Understanding: 1 (black) person killed by obvious police brutality = 1 burned-down police station.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 12:59pm

On Right-Wing Violence in Texas, Media’s Silence Sends Message
Hank Gilbert, the Democratic challenger to Rep. Louie Gohmert in Texas’ 1st congressional district, held a rally in Tyler, Texas, on July 26 against federal law enforcement agencies’ recent intervention in Portland, Oregon. But armed participants of a “Back the Blue” counter-protest crashed the event, beating and robbing attendees in the park. The attack injured a number of rally attendees, including Gilbert’s campaign manager Ryan Miller, resulting in at least two police reports being filed so far.

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 10:13am

 KarmaKarma wrote:
Ah, see... the peaceful protesters sure have been busy, no?

May a red wave wash over you in November.


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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 7:39am

 davidharper wrote:
everything you say is true.  and none of it changes how much of an incompetent liar Trump is.

 
 
 
This is absolutely true, but the name of this thread is looting and vandalism isn't protest.   There are more words written lamenting and protesting Trump's incompetence, ignorance, questionable tactics and communication skills to fill a black hole. If there were a contest to the number of words spoken and written regarding a particular subject in the history of human communication, this subject could very well be in the top ten. You can pick and choose from several different threads in this very forum to further propagate the myriad reasons why you feel this way and add to the mass, but this subject is about looting and vandalism.   You can be specific and say that Trump's response to the protest have further exacerbated the violence and that would be relevant, but dwelling on Trump's obvious shortcomings is ignoring the shortcomings of those who perpetuate violence and destruction on innocent parties. Trump is responsible for his actions as we all are including those who destroy and pillage other people's property and businesses.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 7:20am

if every american citizen was required by law to vote no republican would ever win another election.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 7:09am

everything you say is true.  and none of it changes how much of an incompetent liar Trump is.

 KarmaKarma wrote:
Ah, see... the peaceful protesters sure have been busy, no?

Chicago ...
looting not protesting - from an Audi, even!  Also - thanks, U-Haul!
vandalism & destruction ... check
Chicago's mayor Lightfoot ... now having a change of heart about the feds  ... TOO late!
Chicago's downtown will now face the permanent loss of all those high end stores - and many others.


Seattle ... rioting, destruction, looting .... oh look!  They just defunded their police force by $100M and today the (FIRST female, black!) chief of police is announcing her resignation/retirement after they cut her pay 100K.   Do you think all of that will satisfy the rioters /antifa / redundant?  I don't.  They'll want more.  And more.  Never satisfied until it all burns down. 

And Portland?  What can we say about the home to the largest and oldest group of Antifa?  
Rioting ... check
Looting ... check
Arson ... check
Vandalism & destruction ... check
Trying to kill or maim cops ... check
Attacking neighbourhoods ... check

Are there any PNW residents who still think the protesters are peaceful?



These are all the wages earned when looters & rioters face no real consequences for their actions.  Near instant release after arrest.  No prosecutions brought.  Weak leadership leads to weak police force.

In 2020, the liberal voters in these cities have discovered the true leadership in what those they elected.

Sucks to be you, taxpayers in Portland, Seattle, & Chicago.  Let's not forget Minneapolis & NY !

May a red wave wash over you in November.
 


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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 6:38am

Ah, see... the peaceful protesters sure have been busy, no?

Chicago ...
looting not protesting - from an Audi, even!  Also - thanks, U-Haul!
vandalism & destruction ... check
Chicago's mayor Lightfoot ... now having a change of heart about the feds  ... TOO late!
Chicago's downtown will now face the permanent loss of all those high end stores - and many others.


Seattle ... rioting, destruction, looting .... oh look!  They just defunded their police force by $100M and today the (FIRST female, black!) chief of police is announcing her resignation/retirement after they cut her pay 100K.   Do you think all of that will satisfy the rioters /antifa / redundant?  I don't.  They'll want more.  And more.  Never satisfied until it all burns down. 

And Portland?  What can we say about the home to the largest and oldest group of Antifa?  
Rioting ... check
Looting ... check
Arson ... check
Vandalism & destruction ... check
Trying to kill or maim cops ... check
Attacking neighbourhoods ... check

Are there any PNW residents who still think the protesters are peaceful?



These are all the wages earned when looters & rioters face no real consequences for their actions.  Near instant release after arrest.  No prosecutions brought.  Weak leadership leads to weak police force.

In 2020, the liberal voters in these cities have discovered the true leadership in those they elected.

Sucks to be you, taxpayers in Portland, Seattle, & Chicago.  Let's not forget Minneapolis & NY !

May a red wave wash over you in November.
davidharper



Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 4:00am

" great civilizations are not conquered from without until they have destroyed themselves from within"  

W. Durant   

this quote is shown at the beginning of "Apocalypto".   A pretty good movie IMO.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 2:39am



 haresfur wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
 
You are ascribing opinions that are not mine to me.

On the other hand your focus on individual responsibility seems to ignore your apparent recognition of systemic problems. Sure ultimately we only can control our own actions, but our actions, or lack thereof, can influence the actions of others.

 
Precisely.  That is why personal responsibility for your actions or lack thereof is absolutely paramount and the more we all dwell on this notion, the better influence we become for others to follow the same path.  
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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 - 3:43pm



 haresfur wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
 
You are ascribing opinions that are not mine to me.

On the other hand your focus on individual responsibility seems to ignore your apparent recognition of systemic problems. Sure ultimately we only can control our own actions, but our actions, or lack thereof, can influence the actions of others.

 
A ha! Logic. It's what's for supper. 

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 - 3:33pm



 sirdroseph wrote:
 
You are ascribing opinions that are not mine to me.

On the other hand your focus on individual responsibility seems to ignore your apparent recognition of systemic problems. Sure ultimately we only can control our own actions, but our actions, or lack thereof, can influence the actions of others.

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 - 1:35pm



 sirdroseph wrote:
Not absolving Trump of anything, just pointing out that if our country is being destroyed, it is not a job that was done by one man as was the original post seeming insinuation.
 
Understood.  
  One person couldn't carry that out - not even this guy (a personal favorite of yours): 

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 - 12:31pm

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 sirdroseph wrote:

I was more so talking about the external and internal forces that want anarchy and destruction and are inciting and providing material and anger to exacerbate and usurp justified discontent against legitimate long term injustices.  Trump incites for 2 reasons; 1. he is an ignorant idiot  2. he uses the violence to rally the law and order voters who are genuinely afraid to gain votes and re election.    The forces I am talking about are doing this to sow discontent and destroy the very fabric of our Republic, these groups vary and do not necessarily coordinate or even like each other,  anti Facist, Facist, anarchist, Communist, Marxist, Black separatists, white separatists, Russians, Chinese, FBI and other federal agencies who gain power through violence and last but not least opportunist who see a chance to break shit and loot.   Bottom line is I have yet to see Trump break anything, loot or set anything on fire.  There is nothing more sexy and rare than personal responsibility. Our own actions are the only thing that we have full control of.
 
Breaking the government systems of checks & balances by having his minions ignore subpoenas . Breaking the souls of children held in detention. Having his goons break the bones of peaceful protesters.

Looting the treasury with tax cuts for the rich that blow out the deficit. Looting the treasury by self-dealing and sending government business his own way. Looting his inauguration committee funds by laundering them into his pocket. 

"As through this world I've wandered I've seen lots of funny men. Some will rob you with a six-gun and some with a fountain pen" - Woody Guthrie
 
Again, still trying to understand how my point absolves Trump of anything.  I just do not give him near as much power over all that is wrong as you and some others do.
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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 - 12:27pm

 Proclivities wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I was more so talking about the external and internal forces that want anarchy and destruction and are inciting and providing material and anger to exacerbate and usurp justified discontent against legitimate long term injustices.  Trump incites for 2 reasons; 1. he is an ignorant idiot  2. he uses the violence to rally the law and order voters who are genuinely afraid to gain votes and re election.    The forces I am talking about are doing this to sow discontent and destroy the very fabric of our Republic, these groups vary and do not necessarily coordinate or even like each other,  anti Facist, Facist, anarchist, Communist, Marxist, Black separatists, white separatists, Russians, Chinese, FBI and other federal agencies who gain power through violence and last but not least opportunist who see a chance to break shit and loot.   Bottom line is I have yet to see Trump break anything, loot or set anything on fire.  There is nothing more sexy and rare than personal responsibility. Our own actions are the only thing that we have full control of.
 
Good points; a lot of different entities will always seek chaos for different reasons.  However, your "bottom line" is somewhat confusing.  "Looting, breaking things, and setting things on fire" have historically been done by people or groups who feel otherwise deprived of wealth, or power, or a "voice", not silver-spoon billionaires who go on to become President of the U.S..  He may not have been physically doing any of those things out in the streets, but he's been breaking things and looting for about 50 years in other ways and he's far from blameless with the state of things today.  If you're looking for the embodiment of someone who is defiantly and proudly unburdened by "personal responsibility", Trump's your man.

 
Not absolving Trump of anything,  just pointing out that if our country is being destroyed, it is not a job that was done by one man as was the original post seeming insinuation.
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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 - 11:20am



 sirdroseph wrote:

I was more so talking about the external and internal forces that want anarchy and destruction and are inciting and providing material and anger to exacerbate and usurp justified discontent against legitimate long term injustices.  Trump incites for 2 reasons; 1. he is an ignorant idiot  2. he uses the violence to rally the law and order voters who are genuinely afraid to gain votes and re election.    The forces I am talking about are doing this to sow discontent and destroy the very fabric of our Republic, these groups vary and do not necessarily coordinate or even like each other,  anti Facist, Facist, anarchist, Communist, Marxist, Black separatists, white separatists, Russians, Chinese, FBI and other federal agencies who gain power through violence and last but not least opportunist who see a chance to break shit and loot.   Bottom line is I have yet to see Trump break anything, loot or set anything on fire.  There is nothing more sexy and rare than personal responsibility. Our own actions are the only thing that we have full control of.
 
Breaking the government systems of checks & balances by having his minions ignore subpoenas . Breaking the souls of children held in detention. Having his goons break the bones of peaceful protesters.

Looting the treasury with tax cuts for the rich that blow out the deficit. Looting the treasury by self-dealing and sending government business his own way. Looting his inauguration committee funds by laundering them into his pocket. 

"As through this world I've wandered I've seen lots of funny men. Some will rob you with a six-gun and some with a fountain pen" - Woody Guthrie
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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 - 11:18am



 sirdroseph wrote:

I was more so talking about the external and internal forces that want anarchy and destruction and are inciting and providing material and anger to exacerbate and usurp justified discontent against legitimate long term injustices.  Trump incites for 2 reasons; 1. he is an ignorant idiot  2. he uses the violence to rally the law and order voters who are genuinely afraid to gain votes and re election.    The forces I am talking about are doing this to sow discontent and destroy the very fabric of our Republic, these groups vary and do not necessarily coordinate or even like each other,  anti Facist, Facist, anarchist, Communist, Marxist, Black separatists, white separatists, Russians, Chinese, FBI and other federal agencies who gain power through violence and last but not least opportunist who see a chance to break shit and loot.   Bottom line is I have yet to see Trump break anything, loot or set anything on fire.  There is nothing more sexy and rare than personal responsibility. Our own actions are the only thing that we have full control of.
 
Good points; a lot of different entities will always seek chaos for different reasons.  However, your "bottom line" is somewhat confusing.  "Looting, breaking things, and setting things on fire" have historically been done by people or groups who feel otherwise deprived of wealth, or power, or a "voice", not silver-spoon billionaires who go on to become President of the U.S..  He may not have been physically doing any of those things out in the streets, but he's been breaking things and looting for about 50 years in other ways and he's far from blameless with the state of things today.  If you're looking for the embodiment of someone who is defiantly and proudly unburdened by "personal responsibility", Trump's your man.

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 - 10:55am

 cc_rider wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I was more so talking about the external and internal forces that want anarchy and destruction and are inciting and providing material and anger to exacerbate and usurp justified discontent against legitimate long term injustices.  Trump incites for 2 reasons; 1. he is an ignorant idiot  2. he uses the violence to rally the law and order voters who are genuinely afraid to gain votes and re election.    The forces I am talking about are doing this to sow discontent and destroy the very fabric of our Republic, these groups vary and do not necessarily coordinate or even like each other,  anti Facist, Facist, anarchist, Communist, Marxist, Black separatists, white separatists, Russians, Chinese, FBI and other federal agencies who gain power through violence and last but not least opportunist who see a chance to break shit and loot.   Bottom line is I have yet to see Trump break anything, loot or set anything on fire.  There is nothing more sexy and rare than personal responsibility. Our own actions are the only thing that we have full control of.
 
Well said, all of it.

Years ago I read 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance', and it really changed how I thought about, well, everything. Personal responsibility is its core theme.
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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 - 10:43am



 sirdroseph wrote:

I was more so talking about the external and internal forces that want anarchy and destruction and are inciting and providing material and anger to exacerbate and usurp justified discontent against legitimate long term injustices.  Trump incites for 2 reasons; 1. he is an ignorant idiot  2. he uses the violence to rally the law and order voters who are genuinely afraid to gain votes and re election.    The forces I am talking about are doing this to sow discontent and destroy the very fabric of our Republic, these groups vary and do not necessarily coordinate or even like each other,  anti Facist, Facist, anarchist, Communist, Marxist, Black separatists, white separatists, Russians, Chinese, FBI and other federal agencies who gain power through violence and last but not least opportunist who see a chance to break shit and loot.   Bottom line is I have yet to see Trump break anything, loot or set anything on fire.  There is nothing more sexy and rare than personal responsibility. Our own actions are the only thing that we have full control of.
 
Well said, all of it.

Years ago I read 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance', and it really changed how I thought about, well, everything. Personal responsibility is its core theme.
c.

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