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Posted: Jul 2, 2020 - 11:06am

 KarmaKarma wrote:
Welp, after watching hours and hours of protests, have to say that my views have changed - they've now hardened. (...)

Shocking! They were sooo reasonable before.
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Posted: Jul 2, 2020 - 8:47am



 cc_rider wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:
Welp, after watching hours and hours of protests, have to say that my views have changed - they've now hardened.  Peaceful, noisy protests are perfectly fine, especially those occurring during daylight hours.

However ... better mechanisms need to be put in place to quickly extract from the crowds instigators of violence & those who engage in vandalism.

And apparently some education of protest organizers is in order too.  They win zero friends by walking through neighborhoods late at night or after midnight, banging on their drums and bellowing through their PA horns.  

And Seattle ...?  Wow, you are one screwed up city.  Your politicians first tie the hands of the cops, then when you finally realize you screwed up, you release them and they are still restrained.  The only thing accomplished so far is multiple attempts by said protesters to see how far they can push the cops through disobedience and in your face insults.  That's not what protesting is about.  And 9 or 10 more days of this to come?  When they are up for reelection in 2021, it would be a shame if the mayor and any sympathizers were thrown out of office.
 
One of the reasons the civil rights protests were (reasonably) successful was their discipline. Under Dr. King, protesters went through training. Intensive training, with volunteers (usually white) shouting, spitting and more. There's footage of that training, and it's really hard to watch - young white people yelling the most horrible things at black folks. But that was exactly what they faced in the streets.
White protesters got the same training - in some ways they were more at risk, as 'N***** Lovers'. See 'Freedom Riders'.

Dr. King demanded non-violence - against the wishes of many voices in the movement. His leadership galvanized people like John Lewis, Ralph Abernathy, and many others to keep 'the troops' in line, well-trained and committed to non-violence. Dr. King knew any hint of aggression would be met with overwhelming force. See 'Connor, Bull'. 

We don't have a Dr. King, or a Mahatma Ghandi, to provide structure and discipline to these protests. With predictable results, sadly.
c.


 
it's unfortunate that many of the current day protesters believe King's way did not work. 
No, we didn't resolve racism, but we made progress.
Once you resort to violence you lose the otherwise sympathetic moderate,
and you give ammunition to those who oppose the cause: the racist, bigot and status quo

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Posted: Jul 2, 2020 - 8:26am



 KarmaKarma wrote:
Welp, after watching hours and hours of protests, have to say that my views have changed - they've now hardened.  Peaceful, noisy protests are perfectly fine, especially those occurring during daylight hours.

However ... better mechanisms need to be put in place to quickly extract from the crowds instigators of violence & those who engage in vandalism.

And apparently some education of protest organizers is in order too.  They win zero friends by walking through neighborhoods late at night or after midnight, banging on their drums and bellowing through their PA horns.  

And Seattle ...?  Wow, you are one screwed up city.  Your politicians first tie the hands of the cops, then when you finally realize you screwed up, you release them and they are still restrained.  The only thing accomplished so far is multiple attempts by said protesters to see how far they can push the cops through disobedience and in your face insults.  That's not what protesting is about.  And 9 or 10 more days of this to come?  When they are up for reelection in 2021, it would be a shame if the mayor and any sympathizers were thrown out of office.
 
One of the reasons the civil rights protests were (reasonably) successful was their discipline. Under Dr. King, protesters went through training. Intensive training, with volunteers (usually white) shouting, spitting and more. There's footage of that training, and it's really hard to watch - young white people yelling the most horrible things at black folks. But that was exactly what they faced in the streets.
White protesters got the same training - in some ways they were more at risk, as 'N***** Lovers'. See 'Freedom Riders'.

Dr. King demanded non-violence - against the wishes of many voices in the movement. His leadership galvanized people like John Lewis, Ralph Abernathy, and many others to keep 'the troops' in line, well-trained and committed to non-violence. Dr. King knew any hint of aggression would be met with overwhelming force. See 'Connor, Bull'. 

We don't have a Dr. King, or a Mahatma Ghandi, to provide structure and discipline to these protests. With predictable results, sadly.
c.


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Posted: Jul 2, 2020 - 7:59am

Welp, after watching hours and hours of protests, have to say that my views have changed - they've now hardened.  Peaceful, noisy protests are perfectly fine, especially those occurring during daylight hours.

However ... better mechanisms need to be put in place to quickly extract from the crowds instigators of violence & those who engage in vandalism.

And apparently some education of protest organizers is in order too.  They win zero friends by walking through neighborhoods late at night or after midnight, banging on their drums and bellowing through their PA horns.  

And Seattle ...?  Wow, you are one screwed up city.  Your politicians first tie the hands of the cops, then when you finally realize you screwed up, you release them and they are still restrained.  The only thing accomplished so far is multiple attempts by said protesters to see how far they can push the cops through disobedience and in your face insults.  That's not what protesting is about.  And 9 or 10 more days of this to come?  When they are up for reelection in 2021, it would be a shame if the mayor and any sympathizers were thrown out of office.
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Posted: Jul 1, 2020 - 1:57pm

A North Carolina City Bans Protests, Protecting Confederate Monument
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Posted: Jul 1, 2020 - 6:09am



 Isabeau wrote:


 black321 wrote:
As the violence seems to wax and wane, still trying to reconcile the attractiveness and dissonance of BLM.

Kneeling in the Church of Social Justice

America certainly has work to do on race, but ritual and symbolic acts aren't the way forward.


Those of us watching incongruously and needlessly acrid media posts and the yanking down of statues cannot help thinking the real motivator of the TWA posture is a simple joy in indignation and destruction, along with the comforts of group warmth. The white TWA adherent cherishes displaying virtue. The black TWA adherent has fallen for the Siren call of the noble victim complex, affording one the status of a Cassandra, a survivor, even the granter of absolution, as we see in some of the protest videos.


https://reason.com/2020/06/29/kneeling-in-the-church-of-social-justice/

 

So, you mean Trump's rallies and White Supremacist protests, with men prominently displaying guns are really pointless symbolism?

and

Let me count the ways ol Donnie and his Dingleberries have claimed 'they' are the victims since January 2017.
 
missing the point.
read the article, if interests you.

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Posted: Jun 30, 2020 - 10:40pm

Moar hysteria...

The Deep State Antifa Fire Department!
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Posted: Jun 30, 2020 - 10:04pm

This video was posted 2 weeks ago!  Imagine adding in the recent examples.

Also: great music!
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Posted: Jun 30, 2020 - 6:09pm



 black321 wrote:
As the violence seems to wax and wane, still trying to reconcile the attractiveness and dissonance of BLM.

Kneeling in the Church of Social Justice

America certainly has work to do on race, but ritual and symbolic acts aren't the way forward.


Those of us watching incongruously and needlessly acrid media posts and the yanking down of statues cannot help thinking the real motivator of the TWA posture is a simple joy in indignation and destruction, along with the comforts of group warmth. The white TWA adherent cherishes displaying virtue. The black TWA adherent has fallen for the Siren call of the noble victim complex, affording one the status of a Cassandra, a survivor, even the granter of absolution, as we see in some of the protest videos.


https://reason.com/2020/06/29/kneeling-in-the-church-of-social-justice/

 

So, you mean Trump's rallies and White Supremacist protests, with men prominently displaying guns are really pointless symbolism?

and

Let me count the ways ol Donnie and his Dingleberries have claimed 'they' are the victims since January 2017.
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Posted: Jun 30, 2020 - 6:06pm



 black321 wrote:
As the violence seems to wax and wane, still trying to reconcile the attractiveness and dissonance of BLM.

Kneeling in the Church of Social Justice

America certainly has work to do on race, but ritual and symbolic acts aren't the way forward.


Those of us watching incongruously and needlessly acrid media posts and the yanking down of statues cannot help thinking the real motivator of the TWA posture is a simple joy in indignation and destruction, along with the comforts of group warmth. The white TWA adherent cherishes displaying virtue. The black TWA adherent has fallen for the Siren call of the noble victim complex, affording one the status of a Cassandra, a survivor, even the granter of absolution, as we see in some of the protest videos.


https://reason.com/2020/06/29/kneeling-in-the-church-of-social-justice/

 
I tire of the words “woke” and “virtue signaling.”

Protest brings attention to an issue or issues. The hard work of effectuating change comes later — if ever. Those are not revelations.

Scanned the article. Will read it closely later. Thanks.

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Posted: Jun 30, 2020 - 5:44pm

As the violence seems to wax and wane, still trying to reconcile the attractiveness and dissonance of BLM.

Kneeling in the Church of Social Justice

America certainly has work to do on race, but ritual and symbolic acts aren't the way forward.


Those of us watching incongruously and needlessly acrid media posts and the yanking down of statues cannot help thinking the real motivator of the TWA posture is a simple joy in indignation and destruction, along with the comforts of group warmth. The white TWA adherent cherishes displaying virtue. The black TWA adherent has fallen for the Siren call of the noble victim complex, affording one the status of a Cassandra, a survivor, even the granter of absolution, as we see in some of the protest videos.


https://reason.com/2020/06/29/kneeling-in-the-church-of-social-justice/

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Posted: Jun 29, 2020 - 9:23pm



 KarenKaren wrote:


Last 10 days of the peaceful party "Summer Love" in CHAZ / CHOP: 6 shot, and 2 dead

Assault, rape, robbery, looting & shootings!  What's not to like?


And just so we're totally clear about who's to blame:

Your bed. You shat in it. You clean it.
 
On that note .... the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming.

Instant Karma's Going to Get You, Gonna Knock You Right on the Head


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Posted: Jun 29, 2020 - 9:07pm



Last 10 days of the peaceful party "Summer Love" in CHAZ / CHOP: 6 shot, and 2 dead

Assault, rape, robbery, looting & shootings!  What's not to like?


And just so we're totally clear about who's to blame:

Your bed. You shat in it. You clean it.
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Posted: Jun 29, 2020 - 6:14am


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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 3:58pm



 kcar wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:


 






The stench of flop-sweat is overpowering. Poor KK: shackled to a toad who can't really be called a president. And all for a sad little paycheck.

Oh, gosh, Jim Jordan! The guy who helped cover up sexual abuses of Ohio State wrestlers!  You could fill a school bus with all the people who've accused Jordan of actively working to hide these crimes.

Yeah, you should definitely bring Jim Jordan up.




 




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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 3:40pm

 kcar wrote:
Yeah, you should definitely bring Jim Jordan up.

The dawg's lookin' real hard...


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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 3:31pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:
Seems the PNW remains a hotbed of violence, arson, destruction & looting.  I wonder why these perpetrators haven't got the message that Portland & Seattle are bastions of all things progressively liberal?



 

Yes, you SHOULD wonder why there's a lack of full coverage.  Maybe investigate that.

OR you could scroll Andy Ngo' s Twitter feed, chock block full of video he has captured.

OR you could tune in and find out what Andy Ngo has to say to the Oversight Committee on Monday....






The stench of flop-sweat is overpowering. Poor KK: shackled to a toad who can't really be called a president. And all for a sad little paycheck.

Oh, gosh, Jim Jordan! The guy who helped cover up sexual abuses of Ohio State wrestlers!  You could fill a school bus with all the people who've accused Jordan of actively working to hide these crimes.

Yeah, you should definitely bring Jim Jordan up.




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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 3:11pm



 R_P wrote:
Who knew? An honest observer has a bigger hard-on for Antifa than our dynamic KK/K duo. Bonus "surprise!" He's Islamophobic.
The publication where Ngo is an editor, Quillette, is widely seen as a major hub of the “intellectual dark web” — a loose collection of anti-political correctness, anti-identity politics, anti-left media figures and reporters. Ngo is the closest thing the intellectual dark web has to a gonzo journalist, someone who goes into allegedly hostile places and documents them for his more than 200,000 Twitter followers to illustrate that the IDW is right about the threat from multiculturalism and the left.

Last year, for example, Ngo went to the UK to chronicle the supposed threat the rising Muslim population posed to British society. The resulting article, “A Visit to Islamic England,” claimed England was being quietly conquered by fundamentalist Islam.

The piece was shredded by actual Brits. Most amusingly, Ngo presented a London sign reading “alcohol restricted zone” as evidence of Islamic dominance in the Whitechapel neighborhood; it was actually a public safety ordinance designed to discourage public acts of drunkenness from patrons of nearby pubs, bars, and strip clubs.

Ngo’s coverage of left-wing protesters is similarly ideological. He views left-wing activists, like Muslim immigrants to the West, as a threat to free and open societies. His reporting plays up acts of vandalism, violence, and hostility to free speech without a comparable focus on the much more frequent and deadly actions of right-wing extremists.

Antifa is a perfect foil for Ngo. The group of typically black-clad activists are radicals who believe the best way to deal with the rise of white supremacy and hate groups in the Trump era is by confronting them on the street. Sometimes, this means organizing demonstrations against them; other times, it means brawling in the streets.




 



You can't help yourself.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 2:41pm

Who knew? An honest observer has a bigger hard-on for Antifa than our dynamic KK/K duo. Bonus "surprise!" He's Islamophobic.
The publication where Ngo is an editor, Quillette, is widely seen as a major hub of the “intellectual dark web” — a loose collection of anti-political correctness, anti-identity politics, anti-left media figures and reporters. Ngo is the closest thing the intellectual dark web has to a gonzo journalist, someone who goes into allegedly hostile places and documents them for his more than 200,000 Twitter followers to illustrate that the IDW is right about the threat from multiculturalism and the left.

Last year, for example, Ngo went to the UK to chronicle the supposed threat the rising Muslim population posed to British society. The resulting article, “A Visit to Islamic England,” claimed England was being quietly conquered by fundamentalist Islam.

The piece was shredded by actual Brits. Most amusingly, Ngo presented a London sign reading “alcohol restricted zone” as evidence of Islamic dominance in the Whitechapel neighborhood; it was actually a public safety ordinance designed to discourage public acts of drunkenness from patrons of nearby pubs, bars, and strip clubs.

Ngo’s coverage of left-wing protesters is similarly ideological. He views left-wing activists, like Muslim immigrants to the West, as a threat to free and open societies. His reporting plays up acts of vandalism, violence, and hostility to free speech without a comparable focus on the much more frequent and deadly actions of right-wing extremists.

Antifa is a perfect foil for Ngo. The group of typically black-clad activists are radicals who believe the best way to deal with the rise of white supremacy and hate groups in the Trump era is by confronting them on the street. Sometimes, this means organizing demonstrations against them; other times, it means brawling in the streets.

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