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westslope

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Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 10:08pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Quite the tongue lashing.

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Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 5:42pm

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Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 4:06pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

They asked if I would recommend this place so I answered truthfully
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Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 3:48pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Help 'em out a little.


haresfur

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Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 3:41pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

You mean it isn't about personal choice, after all?
westslope

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Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 3:27pm

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Stunning.  How so utterly and thoroughly un-American.

How so over-the-top authoritarian in nature.

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Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 11:22am

Texas couple asked to leave restaurant for wearing face masks to protect their immunocompromised infant
westslope

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Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 8:13am

Petrol station killing over COVID mask row shocks Germany
Politicians decry ‘coronavirus deniers’ after 49-year-old suspect shot cashier who asked him to wear a mask.
Flowers are placed in front of a gas station in Idar-Oberstein, Germany, September 21, 2021, after a 20-year-old gas station attendant who asked a customer to wear a face mask was shot dead last Saturday

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 4:35pm

COVID has killed about as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu
COVID-19 has now killed about as many Americans as the 1918-19 Spanish flu pandemic did — approximately 675,000.

The U.S. population a century ago was just one-third of what it is today, meaning the flu cut a much bigger, more lethal swath through the country. But the COVID-19 crisis is by any measure a colossal tragedy in its own right, especially given the incredible advances in scientific knowledge since then and the failure to take maximum advantage of the vaccines available this time.

“Big pockets of American society — and, worse, their leaders — have thrown this away,” medical historian Dr. Howard Markel of the University of Michigan said of the opportunity to vaccinate everyone eligible by now.

Like the Spanish flu, the coronavirus may never entirely disappear from our midst. Instead, scientists hope it becomes a mild seasonal bug as human immunity strengthens through vaccination and repeated infection. That could take time.

“We hope it will be like getting a cold, but there’s no guarantee,” said Emory University biologist Rustom Antia, who suggests an optimistic scenario in which this could happen over a few years. (...)

The Spanish flu’s U.S. death toll is a rough guess, given the incomplete records of the era and the poor scientific understanding of what caused the illness. The 675,000 figure comes from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (...)

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 3:35pm

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The tangled history of mRNA vaccines
Hundreds of scientists had worked on mRNA vaccines for decades before the coronavirus pandemic brought a breakthrough.
The debate over who deserves credit for pioneering the technology is heating up as awards start rolling out — and the speculation is getting more intense in advance of the Nobel prize announcements next month. But formal prizes restricted to only a few scientists will fail to recognize the many contributors to mRNA’s medical development. In reality, the path to mRNA vaccines drew on the work of hundreds of  researchers over more than 30 years.

The story illuminates the way that many scientific discoveries become life-changing innovations: with decades of dead ends, rejections and battles over potential profits, but also generosity, curiosity and dogged persistence against scepticism and doubt. “It’s a long series of steps,” says Paul Krieg, a developmental biologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson, who made his own contribution in the mid-1980s, “and you never know what’s going to be useful”. (...)

Hoerr was the first to achieve success. While at the University of Tübingen in Germany, he reported in 2000 that direct injections could elicit an immune response in mice12. He created CureVac (also based in Tübingen) that year. But few scientists or investors seemed interested. At one conference where Hoerr presented early mouse data, he says, “there was a Nobel prizewinner standing up in the first row saying, ‘This is completely shit what you’re telling us here — completely shit’.” (Hoerr declined to name the Nobel laureate.)




I need to hurry up and finish this so I can move on to some of the stuff in that article. It'll be fun to try to figure out who the "completely shit" guy was.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 12:15pm

The tangled history of mRNA vaccines
Hundreds of scientists had worked on mRNA vaccines for decades before the coronavirus pandemic brought a breakthrough.
The debate over who deserves credit for pioneering the technology is heating up as awards start rolling out — and the speculation is getting more intense in advance of the Nobel prize announcements next month. But formal prizes restricted to only a few scientists will fail to recognize the many contributors to mRNA’s medical development. In reality, the path to mRNA vaccines drew on the work of hundreds of  researchers over more than 30 years.

The story illuminates the way that many scientific discoveries become life-changing innovations: with decades of dead ends, rejections and battles over potential profits, but also generosity, curiosity and dogged persistence against scepticism and doubt. “It’s a long series of steps,” says Paul Krieg, a developmental biologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson, who made his own contribution in the mid-1980s, “and you never know what’s going to be useful”. (...)

Hoerr was the first to achieve success. While at the University of Tübingen in Germany, he reported in 2000 that direct injections could elicit an immune response in mice12. He created CureVac (also based in Tübingen) that year. But few scientists or investors seemed interested. At one conference where Hoerr presented early mouse data, he says, “there was a Nobel prizewinner standing up in the first row saying, ‘This is completely shit what you’re telling us here — completely shit’.” (Hoerr declined to name the Nobel laureate.)


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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 11:56am

2 week shutdown of construction due to violent anti-vaccine protests at the union hall

Interesting to see how the Labor government will navigate this one. Actually, Australia has a long history of clashes between union factions
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 11:34am

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The question I would ask: Would the recent surge in deaths in U.S. have occurred anywhere near these numbers if the percentage of eligible adults in the country who were vaccinated had been, say,  80 percent as of July 1? I think they would not be.


The Australians models say 80 percent vaccination makes a huge difference but it depends a lot on your starting case numbers. Even at 70% our hospitals could be stretched to the limit. The downside to our healthcare system is that they don't build in much surge capacity. So in that way the US is better prepared. The plan here is to start easing restrictions at 70% and pretty much open up except for local response to outbreaks at 80%. We will pass the US in vaccination numbers in the next few weeks, in spite of the government's botched rollout that could have kept us out of the current situation.

Remember when it was shocking near the beginning of the pandemic, even to trump, that they were predicting there might be 50,000 US covid deaths. Such innocent times. 
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 11:15am

 westslope wrote:

Question:  If the pandemic runs its course, as some suggest it will or should, will the electoral maps of the USA have to be redrawn? 


That all depends on how many voting laws are enacted.
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 10:38am

Question:  If the pandemic runs its course, as some suggest it will or should, will the electoral maps of the USA have to be redrawn? 
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 10:35am

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How many deaths per week will be ok with you?  I'm thinking 2,000 will be alright by me, and I have lost two dentists already.

Zero.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 10:15am

The question I would ask: Would the recent surge in deaths in U.S. have occurred anywhere near these numbers if the percentage of eligible adults in the country who were vaccinated had been, say,  80 percent as of July 1? I think they would not be.

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 9:04am

 R_P wrote:

You won't have that constant rate. Sorry.


That's the metric used by rhahl a few days ago and it's not going to be constant of course but it works for comparison because it magnifies the difference between somewhat similar daily numbers (for better or worse—easy to misapply, so using the 7-day average is better but hey). And it keeps us talking apples/apples.
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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 7:25am

American Stupidity.  It is a thing.  It is cool 'n groovy.

Careful now, all the neighbours will be jealous.   Canadians will be asking themselves:  How can we cool 'n groovy too?  With some hard work, we managed to acquire our very own drive-by-shootings — something that every advanced nation wants — how about higher ICU bed occupation rates and death rates from COVID?  

Now if only Alberta can spread some of the "personal liberty" love across the nation!  

I see an emerging solution to social housing here.  

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Posted: Sep 20, 2021 - 7:11am

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That works out at a constant rate to 780,000 dead for the year.

Big improvement over Trump's paltry 540,000 or what ever it was.

Good to see we are getting better at this. 

We will run out of unvaccinated to kill, I mean die, sooner rather than later and this will problem will finally resolve itself.

Kurt,

That's actually one of your most inspirational posts to date.   You compare apples and oranges, you target Biden for "failure" using tainted facts, and then you literally concede that people are dying to prove a point.  Bravo.

The 15,000 per week averages 2,142 per day.  That's roughly the worst single day of deaths under Biden.  Trump's worst day...Jan 12th had 4,406 deaths.  That would project to 1.6M in a year.  Obviously, that didn't happen, nor will the 780k used above, but you really like the idea that you can twist numbers to make a point.  Things are getting better and would be much better if getting a jab wasn't seen as political dissent by so many on the right.

Killing the unvaccinated?  They are martyrs in the fight to protecting freedom, personal rights, and stupidity.   

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