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Steely_D

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 8:33pm

From RetractionWatch. The original article was published in a student news-letter, not "Johns Hopkins" proper.
Emphasis mine to point out that the gleeful hysteria of covid-deniers  isn't warranted.
This will not, of course, stop multiple sites begging for clicks (but lacking journalistic skill).

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After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we explained on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF.

In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision. The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently.

Briand’s study should not be used exclusively in understanding the impact of COVID-19, but should be taken in context with the countless other data published by Hopkins, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher. At her talk, she herself stated that more research and data are needed to understand the effects of COVID-19 in the U.S.

Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causescompared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.

Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.

Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers.

Ohmsen

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 7:21pm



 Ohmsen wrote:

Mind-blowing Johns Hopkins study on Covid deaths… Then it was quickly deleted…
Covid hasn’t increased U.S. death rate… Updated here…

Conventional wisdom is that COVID-19 has caused thousands of deaths in the United States and nearly 1.5 million worldwide. This perception has been directly challenged by a study published by Johns Hopkins University on November 22.

“This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years.” In fact, “the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19.”

Briand concludes that the COVID-19 death toll in the United States is misleading and that deaths from other diseases are being categorized as COVID-19 deaths.

 

On excess deaths in Germany, and in England ~

Only some of the deaths listed by the RKI as "COVID-19 deaths" were actually caused by the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2


In Great Britain, too, according to a comprehensive analysis by Public Health England, 48.5 percent of the excess mortality observed between mid-March and mid-November is not attributable to people who die with or from the SARS CoV-2 virus, but to other causes of death. There is an interesting breakdown with regard to the places of death, which is shown in the following figure:

Coaxial

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 4:47pm

 rgio wrote:


 R_P wrote:
 
My parents are in a facility that had ZERO cases until early this month.  It went from 3 staff to 5 staff to now 30 staff and ~60 residents.  My father tested positive 18 days ago and seems to be holding on OK (slight cough...oxygen levels fluctuate at times but has yet to need oxygen).  3 dead last I heard.  The speed of the spread was shocking, and they were following protocols pretty closely.

 
{#Pray}
Ohmsen

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 4:38pm



 R_P wrote:
Editor’s Note: After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF.

In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision. The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently. (...)

 

UPDATE November 28, 2020, 1 p.m. Eastern:

Marvis Gutierrez and Ariella Shua, the managing editors of the JHU newsletter, assured Lead Stories that the article/study was not censored. “The article in question was retracted last night, as it was being used to spread misinformation about the pandemic. We have preserved the article as a PDF and posted an Editor’s Note: with full clarification about our decision, highlighting the inaccuracies of the study…We were not censored, but decided to retract the article based on the reasons outlined in the Editor’s Note.””
The author of the article on Briand’s study, Yanni Gu, responding to the article being pulled, posted the following on LinkedIn:

Today, on November 27th, The News-Letter officially posted their reason for retracting the article, stating inaccuracies in the analysis. I am frustrated at the explanation, and I think it is disrespectful to Dr. Briand’s hard work putting data together and doing an honest analysis. If her analysis was to be contradicted, then at least an equal-level analysis should be done to provide more data and thus a new conclusion. Dr. Briand and her work deserve such respect.
I have received many messages asking the reason for taking the article down, and so I would like to officially express my opinions here. I even got emails saying that thanks to me, people now will not be wearing masks or practicing social distancing. They called me “a COVID denier and a minimizer” and that I have no idea the damage and the lives cost in me writing such an article. I was devastated to receive such accusations, but I stand my ground. The goal is never to undermine the effects of COVID-19 but to suggest a possible over-exaggeration in death numbers due to the pandemic.

Professor Briand also responded to the pulling of the article, saying “Their decision to retract the article was their own. Yanni Gu did an excellent at reporting the content of the presentation. The full presentation is available at: Covid-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data – YouTube (see video below). I explain during the presentation where I found and downloaded the data from, so anyone can easily replicate my analysis.”

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R_P

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 4:33pm

Editor’s Note: After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF.

In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision. The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently. (...)

As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher. At her talk, she herself stated that more research and data are needed to understand the effects of COVID-19 in the U.S.

Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.

Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus. (...)

False authority
Ohmsen

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 4:07pm

Mind-blowing Johns Hopkins study on Covid deaths… Then it was quickly deleted…
Covid hasn’t increased U.S. death rate… Updated here…

Conventional wisdom is that COVID-19 has caused thousands of deaths in the United States and nearly 1.5 million worldwide. This perception has been directly challenged by a study published by Johns Hopkins University on November 22.

“This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years.” In fact, “the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19.”

Briand concludes that the COVID-19 death toll in the United States is misleading and that deaths from other diseases are being categorized as COVID-19 deaths.

miamizsun

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 4:01pm

what would a rapid home test look like?

(cute kids not included)

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 3:47pm



 rgio wrote:


 R_P wrote:

 
My parents are in a facility that had ZERO cases until early this month.  It went from 3 staff to 5 staff to now 30 staff and ~60 residents.  My father tested positive 18 days ago and seems to be holding on OK (slight cough...oxygen levels fluctuate at times but has yet to need oxygen).  3 dead last I heard.  The speed of the spread was shocking, and they were following protocols pretty closely.

 

Hoping for the best 
miamizsun

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 3:42pm

miamizsun

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 3:34pm

 rgio wrote:
My parents are in a facility that had ZERO cases until early this month.  It went from 3 staff to 5 staff to now 30 staff and ~60 residents.  My father tested positive 18 days ago and seems to be holding on OK (slight cough...oxygen levels fluctuate at times but has yet to need oxygen).  3 dead last I heard.  The speed of the spread was shocking, and they were following protocols pretty closely.
 

hope your folks weather this thing   {#Good-vibes}
rgio

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 2:51pm



 R_P wrote:

 
My parents are in a facility that had ZERO cases until early this month.  It went from 3 staff to 5 staff to now 30 staff and ~60 residents.  My father tested positive 18 days ago and seems to be holding on OK (slight cough...oxygen levels fluctuate at times but has yet to need oxygen).  3 dead last I heard.  The speed of the spread was shocking, and they were following protocols pretty closely.

haresfur

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 2:44pm

Good news: 30 days of no new (identified) covid cases in the state of Victoria. Border checkpoints between Queensland and New South Wales are being dismantled. People from Victoria won't have to quarantine when entering South Australia or New South Wales as of Dec 1.

Bad news: A covid + person in South Australia broke quarantine and visited a number of businesses. Don't know if they have detected any spread yet.

Sad news: A woman in Victoria who was diagnosed in July, and was no longer an active case, has died and is considered a covid death. The disease that just keeps giving. 
R_P

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 2:09pm


miamizsun

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 1:29pm



 rhahl wrote:

Dr. Paul Marik - Ivermectin, Vit. C, Vit. D, Zinc, Quercetin

These two seem competent to me.

 

Synergistic Effect of Quercetin and Vitamin C Against COVID-19: Is a Possible Guard for Front Liners

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3682517#disqus_thread
 
 

i'd say they're competent as well

they're also  on the front line of this pandemic

that video led me to this video and as this doc says, these aren't normal times, we're at war

definitely  worth watching





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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 12:14pm

Turkey(s) with a side dish of Covid...
Warning of a surge on top of a surge, U.S. health officials caution Thanksgiving travelers.
Top federal health officials on Sunday forecast a post-Thanksgiving spike in coronavirus infections, deaths and stress on hospitals and medical staff. At the same time, they said that it was still possible to blunt the deadly rise with the tried and true measures of mask wearing and social distancing.

Dr. Deborah L. Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, urged Americans to take it upon themselves to “protect yourself and your family,” even in states and cities where authorities had not required any such measures. During an appearance on CBS News’s “Face the Nation,” Dr. Birx seemed to be speaking to the political divide in the country, directly addressing “incredibly independent and fabulous Americans” who may be skeptical of measures to limit the spread of the virus.

Taking perhaps the strongest line of several top officials who spoke on Sunday, she said that travelers “have to assume that you were exposed and you became infected and you really need to get tested in the next week.” She urged that travelers avoid anyone in their family over 65 or with underlying illnesses. (...)

miamizsun

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Posted: Nov 29, 2020 - 7:24am

 R_P wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
clearly this is a two-fer

tds x covid19 = double trouble
 
Don't forget your buddies at the Trump rallies for a triple whammy...
 
the virus doesn't discriminate

the whole response to c19 has been duffed by dc

i wish i could say it wasn't typical and that i wasn't hugely disappointed...

regards
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Posted: Nov 28, 2020 - 9:12pm

Virus Deaths Approach Spring Record Amid Changing U.S. Crisis
How the virus kills in America, though, has changed in profound ways.

Months of suffering have provided a horrific but valuable education: Doctors and nurses know better how to treat patients who contract the virus and how to prevent severe cases from ending in fatality, and a far smaller proportion of people who catch the virus are dying from it than were in the spring, experts say.

Yet the sheer breadth of the current outbreak means that the cost in lives lost every day is still climbing. More than 170,000 Americans are now testing positive for the virus on an average day, straining hospitals across much of the country, including in many states that had seemed to avoid the worst of the pandemic. More than 1.1 million people tested positive in the past week alone.

(...)

“We are at risk of repeating what happened in April,” Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota and a member of President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s coronavirus task force, said of the death toll.

“Once you go over the case cliff, where you have so many cases that you overwhelm the system, basically at that point when you fall off that case cliff, you’re going to see mortality rates go up substantially,” he said. “I shudder to imagine what things might be like in two weeks.”

With an inconsistent and shifting response from government officials, the virus surged in the Sun Belt in the summer, and then began rising steadily through the Midwest and the Great Plains — and then all over in recent weeks. The country reached a peak seven-day average of 176,000 reported cases on Wednesday, and there is reason to fear the worst is still coming. Outbreaks continue to grow in Southern California, West Texas and South Florida.

After rising cases has come the new surge of deaths.

rhahl

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Posted: Nov 28, 2020 - 2:59am

One idea I plan to discuss with a doctor is to get booster shots of one or more of the attenuated live virus vaccines. They seem to prime the immune system against all comers.
 
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6496/1187.full
kurtster

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Posted: Nov 27, 2020 - 9:59pm

 rhahl wrote:
Steely_D wrote:


 rhahl wrote:

Dr. Paul Marik - Ivermectin, Vit. C, Vit. D, Zinc, Quercetin

 
These two seem competent to me.


The thing that's bad, very bad, about the internet is its tendency for people to post, without a solid foundation, "possible" things. In the olden days, ideas were bounced around and there was a filter before things were public.

Today, the information aqueduct is full of effluent from people who think they might have a grand idea, but nothing's certain yet, and so we're hit with a firehose of stinky unproven "solutions."
 
That is why I referred to my crap detector.
 
Like I mentioned in another thread somewhere, I have been taking C, D and zinc for many years as an anti Corona virus aka common cold virus preventative or mitagator.  Never heard of the Quercetin or Ivermectin before now.  I will read the link but I am very cautious about what I will add to my existing daily regime.

When I was hospitalized back in the beginning, March 15 for possible CV 19, those 3 items were provided to me in my regular doses by my own insistence that are on record from my oncology treatment med list.

I'm 68, with Stage IV cancer, emphysema and chronic bronchitis for openers.  I am also a recognized essential healthcare worker by profession.  But liquor store clerks are also recognized as essential workers, so big deal.  I get about as close to someone's face as possible short of kissing them and touch their faces and heads and their generally filthy glasses straight off of their faces.  Many are perfect strangers to me.  I doubt that anyone else here other than SteelyD gets closer to people than me.

I have to work as being on disability the last 10 earning years for social security pretty much screwed any chance of completely retiring on it.  I must work until I die.  Or someone else dies and leaves me $100 k.  I say this as a fact.  Not looking for any sympathy or even understanding for that matter.  It is just a fact of my life.  So I am putting my life and mouth where my money is.  I'm gonna die from something beyond my control sooner or later.

The only thing I can look forward to is one of the vaccines that were never supposed to be ready before the end of the year based on what all the scientists said and get one.  Being in the risk and professional categories that I am, the wife and I should get first crack at one of them.  But even if I do get one, the ordinary flu can still kill me just as easily.

I do not have the luxury of fear.  I must get up, get out of bed and go to work, regardless, as long as the doors are not closed by some public health dictate.  Same realization as growing up during the Cold War and all of the 'duck and cover" drills.  You can't hide yourself away from something that may never happen or is beyond your control.

There are no
guarantees in life.  And that is how I was raised and that is how I live and will eventually die.  I will die walking the talk.

I'm not trying to prove anything or anybody right or anybody wrong.  I just do not have a choice in this.  Which actually makes this easier to do.

To each their own and good luck.
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{#Meditate}
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Posted: Nov 27, 2020 - 8:34pm

Covid Overload: U.S. Hospitals Are Running Out of Beds for Patients
As the coronavirus pandemic surges across the country, hospitals are facing a crisis-level shortage of beds and staff to provide adequate care for patients.
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