I do not have a problem with this. Only if it should become a mandatory requirement.
"Your papers please" ... then we have a problem.
used to be that you had to show proof of being vaccinated for smallpox before travelling between Europe and North America. Mandatory within a country and mandatory between countries are different things.
Remember smallpox? It used to exist.
Yeah, I was vaccinated for it like everyone else back in the 50's. You could easily tell who had been as there were small circular scars on many people's shoulders where they were vaccinated. You knew what the scar was from without even having to ask. It was still very active back then.
I wiki'ed for a refresher and then found information about an "immunity passport" which addresses the concern I raised about people who were survivors and did not need to be vaccinated.
On the other side, it is argued that it would be disproportionate to deprive immune persons – who can neither infect themselves nor others – of their basic freedoms. This general prevention would only justified as ultima ratio.[26] Accordingly, Govind Persad and Ezekiel J. Emanuel stress that an immunity passport would follow the “principle of the ‘least restrictive alternative’“ and could even benefit society:[27]
“Just as the work of licensed truckers benefits those unable to drive, the increased safety and economic activity enabled by immunity licenses would benefit the unlicensed. For instance, preferentially hiring immune individuals in nursing homes or as home health workers could reduce the spread of the virus in those facilities and better protect the people most vulnerable to COVID-19. Friends, relatives, and clergy who are immune could visit patients in hospitals and nursing homes.”
I do not have a problem with this. Only if it should become a mandatory requirement.
"Your papers please" ... then we have a problem.
You have a driver's license, right?
...and what gives you the right to cruisin' our good peoples' neighborhood?
Just askin'.
The (Finster, not McManister) Minister of Exterior in my country just proposed access to restaurants and cinemas for (the good) people with a vaccine-pass...
I do not have a problem with this. Only if it should become a mandatory requirement.
"Your papers please" ... then we have a problem.
used to be that you had to show proof of being vaccinated for smallpox before travelling between Europe and North America. Mandatory within a country and mandatory between countries are different things.
this may apply to anyone who has been in a rct study as well
also if you have been in a study and aren't sure if you had the real vaccine you can schedule an appointment to take a vaccine publicly and at that point if you call the study sponsor they will break the blind and let you know one way or the other
regards
Pfizer has informed the participants in their testing as to whether they got the vaccine or the placebo.
And a further thought regarding this vaccination passport thing ... what is there in regards to people who have had the virus and survived ? There needs to be a program with equal weight for these people to have proof they have been infected and are no longer a threat to everyone else and do not need to be vaccinated. Otherwise these people will have to be tested every time they board a plane or get medical care at a great personal financial cost as well as a waste of limited resources.
this may apply to anyone who has been in a rct study as well
also if you have been in a study and aren't sure if you had the real vaccine you can schedule an appointment to take a vaccine publicly and at that point if you call the study sponsor they will break the blind and let you know one way or the other
regards
Interesting.
The wife had a procedure last week and while talking with her doc, he told her that he was recently tested and found out that he had been infected. He said that he had a time recently where he felt lousy for a couple of days and then it passed. Does not know how he got infected. No need for him to get vaccinated now. Evidently he did not infect anyone while he had it or there would be some known issues with the people he had come into contact with. This guy is not a chump. Nor is the hospital. Nationally known specialist. We have all known each other for about 15 years and have a relationship were we can all be candid and honest with each other and discuss these very sensitive matters with mutual trust.
Just goes to show that nothing is fool proof and even in the most comprehensive preventative circumstances, stuff still happens.
And a further thought regarding this vaccination passport thing ... what is there in regards to people who have had the virus and survived ? There needs to be a program with equal weight for these people to have proof they have been infected and are no longer a threat to everyone else and do not need to be vaccinated. Otherwise these people will have to be tested every time they board a plane or get medical care at a great personal financial cost as well as a waste of limited resources.
this may apply to anyone who has been in a rct study as well
also if you have been in a study and aren't sure if you had the real vaccine you can schedule an appointment to take a vaccine publicly and at that point if you call the study sponsor they will break the blind and let you know one way or the other
A coalition of tech and health organizations including Oracle, Microsoft, and the Mayo Clinic, is reportedly working to develop a digital COVID-19 vaccination passport that would allow businesses, airlines, and governments to check if individuals have received the vaccine.
Whaddaya think, if anything - is behind these first mentioned three names?!
The first two are for-profit software* companies, the third is a nonprofit healthcare provider. What do I see behind it? Simple: vaccines are the single most effective tool we have to fight disease. Unvaccinated people are going to be vulnerable to covid until it dies out in the population and need special precautions to reduce the risk of infection. Those precautions are burdensome and costly.
Vaccinated people don't require those precautions. If we know who is vaccinated and who isn't we know who requires precautions and who doesn't. This is an information problem, and these companies have a great deal of expertise in gathering and making use of information.
The covid pandemic has both direct effects (400K deaths and climbing just in the US, dog knows how many hospitalizations, huge numbers of man-hours spent recovering, and long-term health consequences we are still learning about) and indirect effects (lost productivity and revenue due to restrictions to prevent disease transmission). These companies are trying to help solve that problem using the tools they have.
Why, what do you think is behind it?
*Microsoft also sells hardware, but it's less than a third of its revenue.
I do not have a problem with this. Only if it should become a mandatory requirement.
A coalition of tech and health organizations including Oracle, Microsoft, and the Mayo Clinic, is reportedly working to develop a digital COVID-19 vaccination passport that would allow businesses, airlines, and governments to check if individuals have received the vaccine.
Whaddaya think, if anything - is behind these first mentioned three names?!
The first two are for-profit software* companies, the third is a nonprofit healthcare provider. What do I see behind it? Simple: vaccines are the single most effective tool we have to fight disease. Unvaccinated people are going to be vulnerable to covid until it dies out in the population and need special precautions to reduce the risk of infection. Those precautions are burdensome and costly.
Vaccinated people don't require those precautions. If we know who is vaccinated and who isn't we know who requires precautions and who doesn't. This is an information problem, and these companies have a great deal of expertise in gathering and making use of information.
The covid pandemic has both direct effects (400K deaths and climbing just in the US, dog knows how many hospitalizations, huge numbers of man-hours spent recovering, and long-term health consequences we are still learning about) and indirect effects (lost productivity and revenue due to restrictions to prevent disease transmission). These companies are trying to help solve that problem using the tools they have.
Why, what do you think is behind it?
*Microsoft also sells hardware, but it's less than a third of its revenue.
A coalition of tech and health organizations including Oracle, Microsoft, and the Mayo Clinic, is reportedly working to develop a digital COVID-19 vaccination passport that would allow businesses, airlines, and governments to check if individuals have received the vaccine.
Whaddaya think, if anything - is behind these first mentioned three names?!
A coalition of tech and health organizations including Oracle, Microsoft, and the Mayo Clinic, is reportedly working to develop a digital COVID-19 vaccination passport that would allow businesses, airlines, and governments to check if individuals have received the vaccine.
Whaddaya think, if anything - is behind these first mentioned three names?!
Despite that tests aren't worth much (as for false positives and negatives), and vaccinations still not known to give immunity, nor known to inhibit any virus-spread. Yes, we need to keep flying around the world like ever. Board them planes and off we go... Why address the cause, when symptoms are all, we're really after? Let's keep banging our heads against the wall...
Dr Sandhya Ramanathanâs Quick Tip: Improving the seal of a surgical mask
Study showing simple modifications can improve mask effectiveness. For example, tucking in the corners of a procedure mask & tying the loops increased filtration from 39% to 60%. Covering the mask with a nylon stocking increased it to 80%.
If you wear a cloth mask you can increase its effectiveness with a filter insert. Here's how:
People are using all kinds of things here—coffee filters, shop rags, what have you—but I found a 5 micron polyester filter cloth available in bulk for cheap. This is what I use.
Dr Sandhya Ramanathan’s Quick Tip: Improving the seal of a surgical mask
Study showing simple modifications can improve mask effectiveness. For example, tucking in the corners of a procedure mask & tying the loops increased filtration from 39% to 60%. Covering the mask with a nylon stocking increased it to 80%.
