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Ohmsen

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Posted: Aug 13, 2020 - 1:22am

Contributing to an unbiased discussion... 2 articles from a Swedish physician on the forefront of the fight against Covid-19 ~ recommendable reading imho. 


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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 - 7:24pm

‘This is no longer a debate’: Florida sheriff bans deputies, visitors from wearing masks
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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 - 6:10pm

 Steely_D wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
 

Fogging my glasses is the only issue I have with them.
 
 
Having originated in the Bay Area, I know fog.  And then you go south and get Tule fog.

All terrible to drive in.  Glasses fog is different.  But glasses fog is also terrible for driving, too.

There we have it.
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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 - 3:00pm



 rgio wrote:
So I feel like I've heard every data point and projection there is on COVID....until just now.

Kamala Harris said something in her first presumptive VP appearance that I was shocked by....an American has died every 80 seconds since the start of the Pandemic (the first lockdown I assume).   My initial reaction was no...but...

If you take the first stay at home order in the US (California - March 19), you get about 145 days.  There are 165,000 dead, which equals about 1138 per day on average, or 47.4 per hour.   That's 1.26 minutes per death (about 76 seconds).

My math is quick and dirty...but the number seems right.  That's an amazing way to think about what we've been going through for 5 months...someone dies every 80 seconds.  Hell...3 or 4 more died in the time it took me to write this. 

 


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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 - 2:41pm

So I feel like I've heard every data point and projection there is on COVID....until just now.

Kamala Harris said something in her first presumptive VP appearance that I was shocked by....an American has died every 80 seconds since the start of the Pandemic (the first lockdown I assume).   My initial reaction was no...but...

If you take the first stay at home order in the US (California - March 19), you get about 145 days.  There are 165,000 dead, which equals about 1138 per day on average, or 47.4 per hour.   That's 1.26 minutes per death (about 76 seconds).

My math is quick and dirty...but the number seems right.  That's an amazing way to think about what we've been going through for 5 months...someone dies every 80 seconds.  Hell...3 or 4 more died in the time it took me to write this. 

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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 - 10:37am



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 

What?

Wisconsin’s Department of Natural Resources announced last week that its employees are required to wear masks at home during Zoom calls.
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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 - 8:31am

insanity
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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 - 5:14am

edit: cheap east tests for the masses are possible

rapidtests.org


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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 4:09pm



 kurtster wrote:
 

Fogging my glasses is the only issue I have with them.
 


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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 2:34pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Our school district bought 5000 "neck gaiters" to issue to students (the schools will collect them as students leave the building and issue clean ones the next morning). This preliminary study by Duke University says they may be worse than no mask. Caveat: lots of people are doubling the gaiters and that's how our school superintendent demonstrates their use, so maybe a double layer is enough to get them back in the plus column? 

I do think that if the fabric of the gaiter or bandanna is pulled tight, it's more likely to have problems. Not sure how they're tested at Duke. My winter UnderArmour neck gaiter is tight and I can imagine it having problems, but the cheapo gaiters I have in my back pocket right now hang loose and I can feel the difference in airflow, almost like a face shield... down past my chin onto my shirt, really. Same with the bandanna I sometimes wear.

At any rate, I ordered in some new masks from Keen since the family absconded with the ones they sent me a couple of months ago.
 
Thanks.  I'll stay with my surgical masks.  Still working with my supply from my transplant daze. 

Fogging my glasses is the only issue I have with them.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 2:05pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Our school district bought 5000 "neck gaiters" to issue to students (the schools will collect them as students leave the building and issue clean ones the next morning). This preliminary study by Duke University says they may be worse than no mask. Caveat: lots of people are doubling the gaiters and that's how our school superintendent demonstrates their use, so maybe a double layer is enough to get them back in the plus column? 

I do think that if the fabric of the gaiter or bandanna is pulled tight, it's more likely to have problems. Not sure how they're tested at Duke. My winter UnderArmour neck gaiter is tight and I can imagine it having problems, but the cheapo gaiters I have in my back pocket right now hang loose and I can feel the difference in airflow, almost like a face shield... down past my chin onto my shirt, really. Same with the bandanna I sometimes wear.

At any rate, I ordered in some new masks from Keen since the family absconded with the ones they sent me a couple of months ago.

This is terrific work, tho harder to interpret than it may seem. If they're right about fleece breaking large droplets up into smaller ones that isn't necessarily bad—small droplets evaporate faster than large ones, and large ones travel farther. In an outdoor setting with distance between people that may be preferable to no mask at all. The large error bars on the measurement make the data hard to interpret as well, but that's life with aerosols.
 

They do stipulate that there are many variables that need to be tested. Also, I just saw an ad that specified their mask design holds the mask away from the nose and mouth. So I'm assuming the point is to *not* exhale forcefully through the fabric but to deflect the droplets. If their test didn't account for that, then... hey.

I'll hang onto my neck gaiters for now.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 12:37pm



 miamizsun wrote:
seems all of our numbers are going in a better direction (especially deaths)

of course there will legacy data tweaks (going through past deaths and labeling them c19 related)

but activity everywhere, younger people aren't sitting around

hoping we can reach viral burnout soon

stay safe peeps
 

Lack of test reporting. I wouldn’t trust any data at this point, which was the goal of the president.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 12:07pm

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Our school district bought 5000 "neck gaiters" to issue to students (the schools will collect them as students leave the building and issue clean ones the next morning). This preliminary study by Duke University says they may be worse than no mask. Caveat: lots of people are doubling the gaiters and that's how our school superintendent demonstrates their use, so maybe a double layer is enough to get them back in the plus column? 

I do think that if the fabric of the gaiter or bandanna is pulled tight, it's more likely to have problems. Not sure how they're tested at Duke. My winter UnderArmour neck gaiter is tight and I can imagine it having problems, but the cheapo gaiters I have in my back pocket right now hang loose and I can feel the difference in airflow, almost like a face shield... down past my chin onto my shirt, really. Same with the bandanna I sometimes wear.

At any rate, I ordered in some new masks from Keen since the family absconded with the ones they sent me a couple of months ago.

This is terrific work, tho harder to interpret than it may seem. If they're right about fleece breaking large droplets up into smaller ones that isn't necessarily bad—small droplets evaporate faster than large ones, and large ones travel farther. In an outdoor setting with distance between people that may be preferable to no mask at all. The large error bars on the measurement make the data hard to interpret as well, but that's life with aerosols.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 10:58am

Dozens of public health officials across the U.S. have resigned or been fired amid COVID-19
California, Texas officials the latest to exit among at least 49 state and local public health leaders
Tom Frieden, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, called the numbers stunning. He said they reflect burnout, as well as attacks on public health experts and institutions from the highest levels of government, including from U.S. President Donald Trump, who has sidelined the CDC during the pandemic.

"The overall tone toward public health in the U.S. is so hostile that it has kind of emboldened people to make these attacks," Frieden said.

(...)

"To me, a lot of the divisiveness and the stress and the resignations that are happening right and left are the consequence of the lack of a real national response plan," said Dr. Matt Willis, health officer for Marin County in Northern California. "And we're all left scrambling at the local and state level to extract resources and improvise solutions ... in a fractured health-care system, in an under-resourced public health system."

Public health leaders from Dr. Anthony Fauci down to officials in small communities have reported death threats and intimidation. Some have seen their home addresses published or have been attacked on social media. Fauci has said his wife and daughters have received serious threats.

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 9:35am



 sirdroseph wrote:

...  Different day; different shit.
 

You betcha... 


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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 9:18am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Our school district bought 5000 "neck gaiters" to issue to students (the schools will collect them as students leave the building and issue clean ones the next morning). This preliminary study by Duke University says they may be worse than no mask. Caveat: lots of people are doubling the gaiters and that's how our school superintendent demonstrates their use, so maybe a double layer is enough to get them back in the plus column? 

I do think that if the fabric of the gaiter or bandanna is pulled tight, it's more likely to have problems. Not sure how they're tested at Duke. My winter UnderArmour neck gaiter is tight and I can imagine it having problems, but the cheapo gaiters I have in my back pocket right now hang loose and I can feel the difference in airflow, almost like a face shield... down past my chin onto my shirt, really. Same with the bandanna I sometimes wear.

At any rate, I ordered in some new masks from Keen since the family absconded with the ones they sent me a couple of months ago.
 
Yea this messed me up big time.   I had Rick and Morty gaiters I was very excited about and now apparently they are not any good at prevention they actually increase spread so if you wear one you are essentially a murderer or something.  Different day; different shit.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 9:16am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Our school district bought 5000 "neck gaiters" to issue to students (the schools will collect them as students leave the building and issue clean ones the next morning). This preliminary study by Duke University says they may be worse than no mask. Caveat: lots of people are doubling the gaiters and that's how our school superintendent demonstrates their use, so maybe a double layer is enough to get them back in the plus column? 

I do think that if the fabric of the gaiter or bandanna is pulled tight, it's more likely to have problems. Not sure how they're tested at Duke. My winter UnderArmour neck gaiter is tight and I can imagine it having problems, but the cheapo gaiters I have in my back pocket right now hang loose and I can feel the difference in airflow, almost like a face shield... down past my chin onto my shirt, really. Same with the bandanna I sometimes wear.

At any rate, I ordered in some new masks from Keen since the family absconded with the ones they sent me a couple of months ago.

 
Yeah, I had read that abstract.  Some of the links in it go to their methods and the different materials, mask types, etc. but you have to drill down.  I primarily use a cotton mask with a sort of "pocket" between two layers, that a sewing friend made for us.  I made multi-layer non-woven polypropylene "filters" to slip inside them (out of a Target re-usable shopping bag and NWPP disposable coveralls).  Apparently the cotton masks combined with NWPP scored among the best in some of their studies - I needed to drill down to find that graph.  NWPP is what the exteriors of N-95 masks are made from, though the shopping bag material is more dense (higher gsm).   Well, you probably knew that anyhow.

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 - 9:05am

Sweden's Success Is Kryptonite For Lockdown And Mask Advocates

Sweden debunks the hysteria. Sweden shows how unnecessary all of the interventions to “fight” the virus are. Sweden shows us that a rational, evidence-based approach to the pandemic is now thriving...

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