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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 6:48pm

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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 12:15pm

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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 10:52am

3 Million Cases: Coronavirus Continues To Surge Across U.S.
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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 10:23am



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disclaimer: i'm not sure of the cost of developement of remdesiviir
 
As stated below: it’s not the cost of that drug. It’s the cost of running that development and research company and all the buildings, utilities, personnel (including lawyers), and production and distribution.

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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 9:27am



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 miamizsun wrote:


disclaimer: i'm not sure of the cost of developement of remdesiviir
 

To be fair, it's not just the cost of remdesiviir. It is the cost of the 27 other attempts you had to try before finding the one that works, and the cost of keeping the lights on and the trash taken out while you did all that other development without any associated revenue. Research is expensive, it usually pays off, but getting there incurs costs which have to be recovered eventually. 
 
Plus, if you're not sure the drug is going to be unique or long in the marketplace, you need to recoup those costs asap.

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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 7:53am



 miamizsun wrote:


disclaimer: i'm not sure of the cost of developement of remdesiviir
 

To be fair, it's not just the cost of remdesiviir. It is the cost of the 27 other attempts you had to try before finding the one that works, and the cost of keeping the lights on and the trash taken out while you did all that other development without any associated revenue. Research is expensive, it usually pays off, but getting there incurs costs which have to be recovered eventually. 
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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 7:39am

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disclaimer: i'm not sure of the cost of developement of remdesiviir
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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 6:44am

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i think who has done good work in the past

but clearly they've been compromised by political interests

their foolish treatment and blowing off of taiwan, probably cost lives around the world

are they salvageable? yeah, but they need transparency and accountability

here's a very who friendly video, but peeps can get the general idea of what is going on

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Posted: Jul 8, 2020 - 3:08am

Indications of brain damage in some Covid patients
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Posted: Jul 7, 2020 - 11:09pm

Trump moves to formally withdraw US from WHO
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Posted: Jul 7, 2020 - 5:25pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
You forgot to ask why I hate America and want to stifle dissent and what I have against puppies.

You also seem obsessed with my labeling of this urologist as "right wing" when really it's a pretty trivial point—which I'm not going to belabor. The point I was trying to get across earlier is that hysteria from one faction is not countered by hysteria from another, it's countered by reasoned debate and evidence.


You called me out for argument from authority, and while unintended, I acknowledged it and owned it. Here, I call you out for a non-obvious labeling of "right-wing", whatever that means, and you get all huffy.  Okay then. Noted.

I wrote:
The Lancet has a long sad history of high profile retractions - they own 3/10 of top 10 most highly cited retracted papers - as of May 2019!   This latest massive retraction for the COVID-19 study is just another to add to their trophy case.  Don't try too hard to defend them - that would be a losing proposition.  These are the wages of a repeatedly tattered reputation.


3/10 of top 10 most highly cited retracted papers!   Making the Top 10 list is an achievement - but three times! That's ... skill.

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The Lancet is one of the most prestigious medical publications in the world because they have high standards. By your metric they could enhance their credibility by lowering their standards and issuing fewer retractions. You will not save your boy's reputation by disparaging that of people who spend their careers making us all healthier.


By my metric? You have misunderstood what I was saying.  Again: The Lancet has some major long-running issues. They are a shining example of how things go wrong, repeatedly, in the world of scientific paper publishing.



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You will not save your boy's reputation by disparaging that of people who spend their careers making us all healthier.

You clearly have acquired zero understanding of my motivations or specifics of my support for some things Trump, if you believe my interest in this topic & posts are to 'save my boy's reputation'. Though your continued unyielding defense of The Lancet, as esteemed and organization as it may be, reveals who 'your boy' is.

Thanks for the, err, discussion.
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Posted: Jul 7, 2020 - 3:28pm

WHO acknowledges 'evidence emerging' of airborne spread of COVID-19
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Posted: Jul 7, 2020 - 3:26pm

Protective gear for medical workers begins to run low again
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Posted: Jul 7, 2020 - 1:49pm

STOP THE PRESSES!  Here's today's MUST SEE kritikal newz.

Be sure to watch for the special guests at the end of the vid.

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Posted: Jul 7, 2020 - 12:29pm

A high-risk Florida teen who died from covid-19 attended a huge church party, then was given hydroxychloroquine by her parents, report says
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Posted: Jul 7, 2020 - 10:54am

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It's hard to comprehend how anyone can cling to this argument still, with 130K dead halfway thru the year and the memory of corpses piling up in New York and Italy and Wuhan faster than they could be buried still fresh in our minds, but there you have it.
 
It's called 'stuck on stupid.'
Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus
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Posted: Jul 7, 2020 - 10:36am

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There are some infectious disease experts who have stated that hydroxychloroquine is beneficial - particularly as one of three components in a treatment regimen.  Are you only interested in majority opinion on a given subject?  Science is never settled.  That's why it's called 'science'.

Samedi offered an opinion based on his understanding. Check the comments on those two Twitter posts - there's more than one person reporting in about positive results, including various members of the medical community. Before his posts, I had already read numerous accounts of positive results — thus my echo of Samedi's Tweets.

Fine, test the proposition. If it helps we'll see it, if it doesn't we won't. As I pointed out earlier the initial sort-of-positive results weren't all that promising and it has not been a game changer in clinical use. If it helps at all it's pretty marginal. But the president of the United States has no expertise and should not be throwing his weight around to influence decisions to test or deploy drugs. All he can do is grandstand and get in the way.

I'm not seeing "right-wing". But I've scrolled back and scanned a month or two of his posts - which are all medical commentary of some type.

I did however find this Tweet.  It does not support your comment.

Perhaps you can provide examples of why he is "right wing"?  Your claim to defend, not mine.

Also - what exactly is your definition of "right wing"? Given the context you are using it, it must be a bad thing.  No?  

Also - are medical (or other) professionals disallowed from offering supporting opinions to politicians? Or is that a rule only applied when its the wrong party in power?  We are (largely) color blind when it comes to race these days. Can we not be 'color blind' to religious and political preferences as well, when expertise is required?*

You forgot to ask why I hate America and want to stifle dissent and what I have against puppies.

You also seem obsessed with my labeling of this urologist as "right wing" when really it's a pretty trivial point—which I'm not going to belabor. The point I was trying to get across earlier is that hysteria from one faction is not countered by hysteria from another, it's countered by reasoned debate and evidence.

If a community organizer from Chicago was in the Oval office, it would be fair to say the same thing, no? You seem to forget that a POTUS has many experts to draw upon. Just like you or I would, he listens to what's known or unknown and arrives at an opinion. Discount his opinion and you're discounting all those experts around him that are guiding him.

If a community organizer from Chicago were to behave similarly it would be completely fair, and justified, and important to level the same criticisms. The experts around him can speak for themselves, and have, and in Trump's case contradict him on a regular basis, because he doesn't listen to them and spouts off on topics he knows nothing—or less than nothing—about.

The Lancet has a long sad history of high profile retractions - they own 3/10 of top 10 most highly cited retracted papers - as of May 2019!   This latest massive retraction for the COVID-19 study is just another to add to their trophy case.  Don't try too hard to defend them - that would be a losing proposition.  These are the wages of a repeatedly tattered reputation.

The Lancet is one of the most prestigious medical publications in the world because they have high standards. By your metric they could enhance their credibility by lowering their standards and issuing fewer retractions. You will not save your boy's reputation by disparaging that of people who spend their careers making us all healthier.

Except that ... "hydroxychloroquine as a treatment but as prophylaxis—a preventative" is not at all what almost everyone talking about hydroxychloroquine is referring to!  Using hydroxychloroquine as a prophylaxis, is about as relevant as testing it to see if it can prevent jock itch.

The massive number of opinions and anecdotal comments are from using hydroxychloroquine as a treatment.

Recall this little episode
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There are anecdotes claiming hydroxychloroquine is a miraculous treatment. Those have not been confirmed by legitimate testing; the evidence so far is to the opposite. This gets damned tiresome repeating, so I'm not going to belabor this any more.

International Journal of Infectious Diseases
Published: July 1-2020

Objective
The purpose of this study was to evaluate the role of hydroxychloroquine therapy alone and in combination with azithromycin in hospitalized patients positive for COVID-19.

Conclusions and Relevance
In this multi-hospital assessment, when controlling for COVID-19 risk factors, treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with reduction in COVID-19 associated mortality. Prospective trials are needed to examine this impact.

You missed:
Design
Multi-center retrospective observational study

That's basically a collection of anecdotes. Get back to me when you have a double-blind placebo controlled study.

TODAY'S NEWS: Coronavirus expert says Americans will be wearing masks for ‘several years’

Colossal bullshit.  This is the global warming alarmist science redux!

With coronavirus killing fewer than those killed annually by the flu, and other than senior homes & hospitals, I doubt anyone is going to entertain widespread mask use beyond this year.

It's hard to comprehend how anyone can cling to this argument still, with 130K dead halfway thru the year and the memory of corpses piling up in New York and Italy and Wuhan faster than they could be buried still fresh in our minds, but there you have it.

Masks are proving their worth daily. They are likely to be a feature of urban life for some time to come, and are probably a big reason this year's flu season was so mild.
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Posted: Jul 7, 2020 - 7:59am

Immunity to COVID-19 is probably higher than tests have shown

New research from Karolinska Institutet and Karolinska University Hospital shows that many people with mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 demonstrate so-called T-cell-mediated immunity to the new coronavirus, even if they have not tested positively for antibodies. According to the researchers, this means that public immunity is probably higher than antibody tests suggest. The article is freely available on the bioRxiv server and has been submitted for publication in a scientific journal.

Consultant Soo Aleman and her colleagues at Karolinska University Hospital’s infection clinic have monitored and tested patients and their families since the disease period.

“One interesting observation was that it wasn’t just individuals with verified COVID-19 who showed T-cell immunity but also many of their exposed asymptomatic family members,” says Soo Aleman. “Moreover, roughly 30 per cent of the blood donors who’d given blood in May 2020 had COVID-19-specific T cells, a figure that’s much higher than previous antibody tests have shown.”

Very good news from a public health perspective

“Our results indicate that public immunity to COVID-19 is probably significantly higher than antibody tests have suggested,” says Professor Hans-Gustaf Ljunggren at the Center for Infectious Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, and co-senior author. “If this is the case, it is of course very good news from a public health perspective.”

T-cell analyses are more complicated to perform than antibody tests and at present are therefore only done in specialised laboratories, such as that at the Center for Infectious Medicine at Karolinska Institutet.

“Larger and more longitudinal studies must now be done on both T cells and antibodies to understand how long-lasting the immunity is and how these different components of COVID-19 immunity are related,” says Marcus Buggert.


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Posted: Jul 7, 2020 - 7:45am



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LMAO.  #DefundTheUN

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