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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 12:45pm

Someone ended up at the wrong rally...

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 7:59am



 steeler wrote:


 rgio wrote:


 steeler wrote:

Vote Libertarian or other third party, sure. Not voting does nothing; accomplishes nothing. 
 
I agree with the sentiment, but voting for a candidate that isn't viable is the same as not voting.  In our current system, the only way to have an impact is to either vote for....or against...one of the two candidates who have a chance of winning.

 
A vote for a third party, under present circumstances, is of no consequence in the election at hand for the reasons you state. The value of such a vote is to promote the viability of third parties for future elections. The more votes a third-party candidate garners, the more attention is drawn to the idea of voting for third parties. A seed might be planted.   I have voted for third-party candidates with that idea in mind.

That said, I would not even consider voting for a third party in November. The imperative is getting rid of Trump — before it is too late for our democracy.







 


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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 7:04am



 rgio wrote:


 steeler wrote:

Vote Libertarian or other third party, sure. Not voting does nothing; accomplishes nothing. 
 
I agree with the sentiment, but voting for a candidate that isn't viable is the same as not voting.  In our current system, the only way to have an impact is to either vote for....or against...one of the two candidates who have a chance of winning.

 
A vote for a third party, under present circumstances, is of no consequence in the election at hand for the reasons you state. The value of such a vote is to promote the viability of third parties for future elections. The more votes a third-party candidate garners, the more attention is drawn to the idea of voting for third parties. A seed might be planted.   I have voted for third-party candidates with that idea in mind.

That said, I would not even consider voting for a third party in November. The imperative is getting rid of Trump — before it is too late for our democracy.






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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 6:43am



 steeler wrote:

Vote Libertarian or other third party, sure. Not voting does nothing; accomplishes nothing. 
 
I agree with the sentiment, but voting for a candidate that isn't viable is the same as not voting.  In our current system, the only way to have an impact is to either vote for....or against...one of the two candidates who have a chance of winning.

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 5:33am



 sirdroseph wrote:
 kcar wrote:


Read what I just posted. I prematurely posted by error and didn't include all the news article excerpts.
Trump visited the USS Arizona Memorial 3 years ago. He laid a wreath, bowed his head and tweeted about the visit—"Remember #PearlHarbor. Remember the @USSArizona! A day I'll never forget."

One year after that and he's at USS Arizona memorial again—but he had to ask John Kelly "Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?” 

That's not being an idiot. That's being demented. 

 
Could be.  If so looks like we are guaranteed to have a mentally disabled President.  Yay two party duopoly!
{#Lol}
  Voting Libertarian has never been so easy or even not voting at all, I think we are there now.  It's all good in the hood. 
{#Meditate}
  Politics are very much like viruses.  It is all up to us, government is not going to save us. Be independent, get yourself right.  Bon Apetit.
 

Vote Libertarian or other third party, sure. Not voting does nothing; accomplishes nothing. 
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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 4:54am

 kcar wrote:


Read what I just posted. I prematurely posted by error and didn't include all the news article excerpts.
Trump visited the USS Arizona Memorial 3 years ago. He laid a wreath, bowed his head and tweeted about the visit—"Remember #PearlHarbor. Remember the @USSArizona! A day I'll never forget."

One year after that and he's at USS Arizona memorial again—but he had to ask John Kelly "Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?” 

That's not being an idiot. That's being demented. 

 
Could be.  If so looks like we are guaranteed to have a mentally disabled President.  Yay two party duopoly!{#Lol}  Voting Libertarian has never been so easy or even not voting at all, I think we are there now.  It's all good in the hood. {#Meditate}  Politics are very much like viruses.  It is all up to us, government is not going to save us. Be independent, get yourself right.  Bon Apetit.
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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 4:19am

 sirdroseph wrote:

There is a different between an idiot and having dementia, Trump has always been an idiot.
 

Read what I just posted. I prematurely posted by error and didn't include all the news article excerpts.
Trump visited the USS Arizona Memorial 3 years ago. He laid a wreath, bowed his head and tweeted about the visit—"Remember #PearlHarbor. Remember the @USSArizona! A day I'll never forget."

One year after that and he's at USS Arizona memorial again—but he had to ask John Kelly "Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?” 

That's not being an idiot. That's being demented. 

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 4:13am

 kcar wrote:
 
 
There is a different between an idiot and having dementia, Trump has always been an idiot.
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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 4:10am

 sirdroseph wrote:


 ScottN wrote:

I believe the scuttlebutt that if Biden is the nominee he'll choose an African-American woman.  Politically helpful for the general, as well a nod to Clyburn/Obama.
 

That would be wise to draw the African American vote in the general, but it is a slippery slope because he has to balance this with independents so the ideal would be a moderate African American woman, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.   Stacy Abrams would be the obvious choice, but she is too liberal to fly in the general.    If all of these Democratic candidates sans Buttigieg, Klobuchar and obviously Biden were deemed too liberal for Democrats then they sure aren't going to thrill independents and anti Trumpers.   In general (pun intended) Buttigieg and Klobuchar would  be the ideal choices, but African American voters just don't like them so they are out.   What makes it even more intense of a decision is that most are aware that Biden is basically late 80s early 90s Reagan in terms of dementia onset so the VP pick is even more vital in his case.   It will be a difficult choice for him and his team no doubt.    To get my vote, it has to be Klobuchar.   I like Buttigieg, but he is a non starter in the African American community, a lot of liberal white folks don't like to acknowledge that many African Americans are as socially conservative as evangelicals especially in terms of homophobia, but it's true.
 

"What makes it even more intense of a decision is that most are aware that Biden is basically late 80s early 90s Reagan in terms of dementia onset so the VP pick is even more vital in his case."  


This claim cries out for some supporting evidence. You might want to read this before you start looking around on the Web: 

We talked to experts on aging about the 2020 field. Here’s what they told us.


But concerns about Biden’s age and mental fitness are likely overblown, according to experts on aging and the brain, as well as actuarial tables used by the insurance industry to estimate the health and longevity of customers.

The two brain aneurysms Biden suffered in 1988 were fully treated and he showed no signs of mental trouble as a result, said Dr. Neal Kassell, who performed the surgery on Biden three decades ago. Nor did Biden suffer any brain damage that could come back to haunt him in old age, Kassell said.


...

With the prospect that the next president might be the oldest ever to take office, a team of researchers with the American Federation for Aging Research released a study last month to answer this morbid question: How likely is he or she to die in office?

The answer: Not very.

The candidates “have prospects for survival that extend well beyond the four-year term of the office. The bottom line is their chronological age does not matter at all,” Dr. S. Jay Olshansky, who led the study, said.

Of course the researchers can't predict death: Their life-expectancy projections for the candidates are based on estimates of the entire population contained in actuarial tables used by the insurance industry and the Social Security Administration. There’s no better way to estimate the longevity or health of the candidates without individual medical examinations and a look at their medical records, they said.

But “there was nothing we could see that would lead us to believe that the age of an individual, in and of itself, should be a disqualifying factor to run for president,” Olshansky said.


BTW Biden has been making gaffes for decades. You might be more concerned about Trump. I've bolded some words and the hyperlink in the newspaper excerpt below. Trump visited Pearl Harbor 3 years ago and gave a speech, but couldn't remember the Pearl Harbor attack or the USS Arizona memorial one year later. 


'Dangerously uninformed’: New book says Trump didn’t know what happened at Pearl Harbor

Jan. 17, 2020

HONOLULU, Hawaii (HawaiiNewsNow) - A new book claims President Donald Trump did not understand the basic history behind the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor before visiting two years ago.

“He was at times dangerously uninformed,” a former senior White House adviser said in “A Very Stable Genius,” a new book by Washington Post reporters Philip Rucker and Carol D. Leonnig.

In it, they wrote that President Trump asked his then-Chief of Staff John Kelly before a private tour of the USS Arizona Memorial: “Hey, John, what’s this all about? What’s this a tour of?”

The book said, “Trump had heard the phrase ‘Pearl Harbor’ and appeared to understand that he was visiting the scene of a historic battle, but he did not seem to know much else."

During his visit of the historic site three years ago, Trump said, "This is very special to be in Hawaii and to be visiting very shortly Pearl Harbor which I’ve read about, spoken about, heard about, studied, but I haven’t seen.”

Here's an excerpt from the hyperlink embedded in the 1/17/20 article just above—the hyperlinked article is from November 1, 2017. Again the emphasis is mine: 

President makes whirlwind stopover in Hawaii

...

Trump shook hands and posed for photos with members of the military and their families before departing for Camp Smith to meet with PACOM leaders. There, he told the press that he was excited about his upcoming trip to the USS Arizona Memorial.

"I tell you, this is very special being in Hawaii," the president said.

He added he's "read about, spoken about, heard about, studied, but I haven't seen" Pearl Harbor.

Every president since Franklin D. Roosevelt has visited the Arizona Memorial.

And Trump appeared moved during his visit to the site, which honors the sailors and Marines who died in the Dec. 7 attack on Pearl Harbor. At the memorial, the president and first lady offered a wreath of white flowers, bowed their heads during a moment of silence, and then dropped petals into the water.

On Twitter after the Pearl Harbor visit, the president posted a video of his Hawaii stop and said, "Remember #PearlHarbor. Remember the @USSArizona! A day I'll never forget."

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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 3:15am



 ScottN wrote:

I believe the scuttlebutt that if Biden is the nominee he'll choose an African-American woman.  Politically helpful for the general, as well a nod to Clyburn/Obama.
 

That would be wise to draw the African American vote in the general, but it is a slippery slope because he has to balance this with independents so the ideal would be a moderate African American woman, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.   Stacy Abrams would be the obvious choice, but she is too liberal to fly in the general.    If all of these Democratic candidates sans Buttigieg, Klobuchar and obviously Biden were deemed too liberal for Democrats then they sure aren't going to thrill independents and anti Trumpers.   In general (pun intended) Buttigieg and Klobuchar would  be the ideal choices, but African American voters just don't like them so they are out.   What makes it even more intense of a decision is that most are aware that Biden is basically late 80s early 90s Reagan in terms of dementia onset so the VP pick is even more vital in his case.   It will be a difficult choice for him and his team no doubt.    To get my vote, it has to be Klobuchar.   I like Buttigieg, but he is a non starter in the African American community, a lot of liberal white folks don't like to acknowledge that many African Americans are as socially conservative as evangelicals especially in terms of homophobia, but it's true.
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Posted: Mar 6, 2020 - 2:32am



 steeler wrote:


 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
Question:  If Biden is the candidate, will he propose Warren as Vice-President?
 
Rumour has it that that's the DNC's preferred outcome/goal.
 

Interesting. From my observations, leading into Super Tuesday, in announcing her endorsement, he seemed to be giving subtle indications he might go with Amy Klobuchar.
 

That would be nice.  Would sure make me sleep a lot better.
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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 5:52pm



 ScottN wrote:

I believe the scuttlebutt that if Biden is the nominee he'll choose an African-American woman.  Politically helpful for the general, as well a nod to Clyburn/Obama.

As was already said, he'll chose Warren,  who will be quick to remind Biden of her  1/1999 % African-American genes.


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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 5:43pm

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This is a stretch......
 
If Elizabeth Warren can convince Joe Biden to move in her policy direction and as a result, she backs Biden, then I believe Sanders is done. 

Though to Sanders' credit, he appears to have  had a lasting policy influence on the Democratic Party.

Question:  If Biden is the candidate, will he propose Warren as Vice-President?
 
I believe the scuttlebutt that if Biden is the nominee he'll choose an African-American woman.  Politically helpful for the general, as well a nod to Clyburn/Obama.
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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 5:14pm



 steeler wrote:


 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
Question:  If Biden is the candidate, will he propose Warren as Vice-President?
 
Rumour has it that that's the DNC's preferred outcome/goal.
 

Interesting. From my observations, leading into Super Tuesday, in announcing her endorsement, he seemed to be giving subtle indications he might go with Amy Klobuchar.
 
that's what Amy dreams of, and she'll end up POTUS!

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 5:10pm



 westslope wrote:
This is a stretch......
 
If Elizabeth Warren can convince Joe Biden to move in her policy direction and as a result, she backs Biden, then I believe Sanders is done. 

Though to Sanders' credit, he appears to have  had a lasting policy influence on the Democratic Party.

Question:  If Biden is the candidate, will he propose Warren as Vice-President?
 
Doubtful either will invite her has VP.

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 2:31pm



 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
Question:  If Biden is the candidate, will he propose Warren as Vice-President?
 
Rumour has it that that's the DNC's preferred outcome/goal.
 
My preferred outcome is to keep her and the others in the senate where they can do some good

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 2:16pm



 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
Question:  If Biden is the candidate, will he propose Warren as Vice-President?
 
Rumour has it that that's the DNC's preferred outcome/goal.
 

Interesting. From my observations, leading into Super Tuesday, in announcing her endorsement, he seemed to be giving subtle indications he might go with Amy Klobuchar.
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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 1:05pm

 westslope wrote:
Question:  If Biden is the candidate, will he propose Warren as Vice-President?
 
Rumour has it that that's the DNC's preferred outcome/goal.
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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 12:34pm

This is a stretch......
 
If Elizabeth Warren can convince Joe Biden to move in her policy direction and as a result, she backs Biden, then I believe Sanders is done. 

Though to Sanders' credit, he appears to have  had a lasting policy influence on the Democratic Party.

Question:  If Biden is the candidate, will he propose Warren as Vice-President?
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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 11:53am

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