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Posted: Sep 19, 2020 - 5:08pm



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He should go to PR without his Secret Service detail and tell that lie. 
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Posted: Sep 19, 2020 - 12:32pm

Trump Wanted to Swap Puerto Rico for Greenland, Now Says He’s ‘The Best Thing That Ever Happened to Puerto Rico’
“Nobody even close,” the president lied
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Posted: Sep 16, 2020 - 9:05pm

In one of the most contentious exchanges of the night, Trump lied numerous times to a woman with a preexisting condition about his record on health care and preexisting conditions.

Trump claimed he is "not going to hurt preexisting conditions" even as he is currently waging a lawsuit to repeal the Affordable Care Act without any replacement plan. The act, also known as Obamacare, banned health insurance companies from denying coverage to people with preexisting conditions.

Trump then lied about having a health care plan that would be better than Obamacare and also protect preexisting conditions, even though he's been promising a plan for years and has still yet to release it.

"I have it all ready, and it's a much better plan for you, and it's a much better plan," Trump said, without giving any details about what that plan is or entails.

Stephanopoulos pointed out to Trump that he has promised such a plan numerous times but has never released it.

"I interviewed you in June of last year, you said the health care plan would come in two weeks. You told Chris Wallace that this summer it'd come in three weeks," Stephanopoulos said

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Posted: Sep 16, 2020 - 8:15pm

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 kurtster wrote:
There is if you have some form of COPD, especially emphysema, which is
...   ...
Still want to tell me that there is absolutely no downside to wearing masks ?
 
OK.  You're right...there are medical reasons for some not to wear masks.   There are no absolutes (ie Everyone with COPD is better off not wearing a mask), but I'll grant you some. 

I'd also suggest to you that for every person not wearing one "because of an illness", there are multiples who are wearing them because they are attempting to protect themselves from the virus and know they can remove the mask if then need to.  If you have breathing issues and need to be around others....do you fear the mask or the virus?

Accepting your medical reasons as an exemption, you agree that everyone else SHOULD be wearing them? 

 
I fear neither.  It's the risk of life in the big city.  Common sense tells me to stay away from things like sit down restaurants and bars for example, if I drank.  No more concerts and sporting events.  Is what it is.  Nothing goes on forever, including me.

Like I said, while I do have breathing issues, I do wear a mask when in public.  I also still use gloves with a shopping cart and have always used gloves for pumping gas ever since I first got sick with cancer.

I do agree that people should wear masks in public out of respect to others, at least until we get a widely distributed working vaccine.  But and this is a big but, even with a vaccine, we still don't know who has been vaccinated or not.  Many will refuse.

Now if you want to force people to wear masks, then we need a law.
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Posted: Sep 15, 2020 - 1:53pm

Trump confirms he wanted to assassinate Assad. In 2018, he denied it was even considered.
In the Fox interview, Trump criticized former defense secretary Jim Mattis, who has in recent months warned the country strongly against reelecting Trump. But in the course of making that case, Trump offered an odd claim: He said Mattis had effectively stood in the way of his efforts to assassinate Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

“I would’ve rather taken him out,” Trump said. “I had him all set. Mattis didn’t want to do it. Mattis was a highly overrated general.”

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Posted: Sep 13, 2020 - 10:42am

Act II: Trump Versus the Virus

“People don’t realize we saved millions of lives,” Trump told the crowd. The President who, in the spring, during the depths of the pandemic, told governors to scrounge up the supplies they needed on their own, claimed to have masterminded “the largest national mobilization since World War II.” In fact, to this day, there is no effective national testing strategy, and even less of one for contact tracing. And the state, local, and public-health officials who were frantically trying to save lives had to push back against his dismissiveness, quackery, and conspiracy-mongering—even though, according to a Washington Post report on “Rage,” a new book by Bob Woodward, Trump was quite aware of how dangerous the virus was. (“I wanted to always play it down,” he said.) He simply chose to lie to the public, further undermining trust.

In North Carolina, Trump added, “We have achieved some of the great numbers, the case-fatality rates—we have the lowest of any major country in the world. People don’t know that because the fake news doesn’t want to write about it.” The United States does not have the lowest case-fatality rate of any major country, unless Japan and India aren’t major countries. And, by another measure—deaths per hundred thousand—the U.S. is doing very badly, and its relative position keeps getting worse. That’s because many countries in Europe that were badly hit now have the virus largely under control, and we do not. It’s true that there are scenarios in which far more Americans could have perished, for example if no distancing measures had been taken at all, or if Trump held indoor rallies at the rate he did before the pandemic. But too many did die, and too many are dying now.

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Posted: Sep 13, 2020 - 9:48am



 kurtster wrote:
There is if you have some form of COPD, especially emphysema, which is
...   ...
Still want to tell me that there is absolutely no downside to wearing masks ?
 
OK.  You're right...there are medical reasons for some not to wear masks.   There are no absolutes (ie Everyone with COPD is better off not wearing a mask), but I'll grant you some. 

I'd also suggest to you that for every person not wearing one "because of an illness", there are multiples who are wearing them because they are attempting to protect themselves from the virus and know they can remove the mask if then need to.  If you have breathing issues and need to be around others....do you fear the mask or the virus?

Accepting your medical reasons as an exemption, you agree that everyone else SHOULD be wearing them? 

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Posted: Sep 13, 2020 - 12:56am

Trump’s Epic Lies Become His Campaign Coronavirus Story Line
It would not seem possible that Donald Trump could sell himself as the hero of the coronavirus crisis, but, as he demonstrated on Tuesday evening, at the Winston-Salem airport, in North Carolina, he is not one to let either shame or the truth get in the way of a boast. The tally of Americans who have died of COVID-19, according to Johns Hopkins University, is now more than a hundred and ninety thousand—a figure that is almost certainly too low, given testing shortages—but the number that Trump was interested in was the crowd size. “I was told fifteen thousand people!” he said. An airport official told the Winston-Salem Journal that he guessed there were seven to nine thousand people there. Some of the people in the stand behind the President were wearing masks, printed with “MAGA” or “TRUMP,” but, judging from videos of the milling crowd and from press reports, few other attendees were. The President certainly was not. He told the crowd that he normally held rallies in indoor venues, “But because of, uh, China, the arenas aren’t working out too well, right? You can’t really do that anymore for a while.”

When Trump said “China,” he wasn’t just using a shorthand version of “China virus,” his xenophobic label for SARS-CoV-2. He was referring to what might be called the Trump 2020 coronavirus story line, which is as epic as it is fictitious. The synopsis, a version of which he offered at the rally in North Carolina, goes like this:

Act I: Paradise Betrayed

“We built the greatest economy in the history of the world, we were forced to close it because of the China plague that came in,” Trump said. Leave it to Trump to dream up a myth of lost greatness about not only America but also about his Presidency. His plan seems to be to use his great failing as an all-purpose excuse—the coronavirus did it, not me. A Trump drama, though, demands more than an unthinking virus—it requires a villain. And so, later in the speech, returning to the subject of China, he said, “We just have the plague. We’ve had other plagues sent by them. I wonder if they did it on purpose. What do you think, huh?” The crowd cheered its affirmation. Perhaps it makes sense to Trump’s supporters that the Chinese government would unleash a pandemic on its own population in a bank-shot attempt to bring him down. It does not, however, make any logical sense. (...)

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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 10:18pm

 steeler wrote:

I said wearing masks is not a problem for most people. I do not think most people have diabetes, suffer from a lung disease, or wear glasses.

Even without a law mandating the wearing of masks, I do not see refusing to wear a mask as being about individual freedom for the reasons I previously stated.

Otherwise, satisfied.

 
Okie dokie.

But wrong on glasses.  It is safe to say that at the very least, half of all (western world inhabitants) over the age of 50 wear glasses.  And nearly all over should.

Unless you lived in Cambodia.  Those who wore glasses were the first killed by Pol Pot.  Glasses were an indicator of intelligence there as only educated people needed glasses in order to read.  So was his thinking.  Very soon, no one was wearing glasses anymore.  Whether they needed them or not.

Just a little historical factoid I wrote about in a paper once.
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 9:39pm



 kurtster wrote:

Only a few people have diabetes ?  Only a few wear glasses ?  Lung disease is a minor problem ?

Refusing to wear a mask when the imposition is done without a law in place is an expression of individual freedom, faulty as it may be.

Refusing to wear a mask as an expression of patriotism is not a proper demonstration of patriotism and is in fact an improper demonstration of patriotism, imo. 

I would say the contrary.  Wearing a mask is more patriotic than not wearing a mask.  Assuming patriotism is defined as standing up for what is good for the whole of the nation. IMHO, attaching the concept of patriotism to wearing a mask is an improper association with the notion of patriotism in the first place.

Satisfied ?
 
I said wearing masks is not a problem for most people. I do not think most people have diabetes, suffer from a lung disease, or wear glasses.

Even without a law mandating the wearing of masks, I do not see refusing to wear a mask as being about individual freedom for the reasons I previously stated.

Otherwise, satisfied.



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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 7:14pm



 kurtster wrote:

Only a few people have diabetes ?  Only a few wear glasses ?  Lung disease is a minor problem ?

Refusing to wear a mask when the imposition is done without a law in place is an expression of individual freedom, faulty as it may be.

Refusing to wear a mask as an expression of patriotism is not a proper demonstration of patriotism and is in fact an improper demonstration of patriotism, imo. 

I would say the contrary.  Wearing a mask is more patriotic than not wearing a mask.  Assuming patriotism is defined as standing up for what is good for the whole of the nation. IMHO, attaching the concept of patriotism to wearing a mask is an improper association with the notion of patriotism in the first place.

Satisfied ?
 

Head over to the COVID-19 forum before R_P adds a cartoon or news headline to it and you'll see some research regarding your contention about hypercapnia.

(Spoiler alert: too much CO2 isn't a problem)

Regarding patriotism - I agree that we need to think of Americans, and not Red/Blue humans fighting like sheep/cattle for grazing rights.
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 6:49pm

 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

 You are putting words in his mouth.  He attached no qualifiers to his remark.
 

Context.

But, ok. Then address my comment: for most people, there is no downside to wearing a mask. And my previous comment: Refusing to wear a mask has nothing to do with individual freedom or patriotism. 

Do you agree with both of those comments?
 
Only a few people have diabetes ?  Only a few wear glasses ?  Lung disease is a minor problem ?

Refusing to wear a mask when the imposition is done without a law in place is an expression of individual freedom, faulty as it may be.

Refusing to wear a mask as an expression of patriotism is not a proper demonstration of patriotism and is in fact an improper demonstration of patriotism, imo. 

I would say the contrary.  Wearing a mask is more patriotic than not wearing a mask.  Assuming patriotism is defined as standing up for what is good for the whole of the nation. IMHO, attaching the concept of patriotism to wearing a mask is an improper association with the notion of patriotism in the first place.

Satisfied ?
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 6:35pm



 kurtster wrote:

 You are putting words in his mouth.  He attached no qualifiers to his remark.
 

Context.

But, ok. Then address my comment: for most people, there is no downside to wearing a mask. And my previous comment: Refusing to wear a mask has nothing to do with individual freedom or patriotism. 

Do you agree with both of those comments?
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 6:32pm

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 kurtster wrote:
Still want to tell me that there is absolutely no downside to wearing masks ?
 
For most people, there is no downside. That obviously was what rgio was saying. 
 
 You are putting words in his mouth.  He attached no qualifiers to his remark.
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 6:29pm



 kurtster wrote:
Still want to tell me that there is absolutely no downside to wearing masks ?
 
For most people, there is no downside. That obviously was what rgio was saying. Trump and his ilk are not directing their anti-mask comments to those  groups afflicted with conditions that are exacerbated by wearing a mask  that you have identified. I wear glasses and, yes, they often do fog up when I am wearing a mask (although some are better than others on that score). Still just an inconvenience.

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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 6:09pm

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There is no downside to wearing a mask.  
 
There is if you have some form of COPD, especially emphysema, which is mostly the inability to exhale CO2 which is how it kills you in the end.  I believe it is a legal medical reason that is an accepted exemption from any requirement to not wear one.  Of course a private business could say sorry, no mask, no service.  Same as no shirt or shoes, no service.  I have emphysema, yet wear a mask in public places and at work, and I have asked people coming into the store to put one on.  I get shortness of breath more frequently while wearing a mask and can only wonder what the long term affects of breathing concentrated CO2  are for an extended period of time.  I could be shortening my life in the same way each cigarette take minutes off of your life. 

And how about those with diabetes ?  Ketoacidosis.  That condition will cause heavy breathing in an effort to expel the build up of CO2 in the body / blood in order to lower the level of acids in your blood.  A mask will get in the way of that and could possibly in an extreme case, lead to a diabetic coma and even death.  Just wearing a mask by itself could cause a build up in acids in your blood due to higher internal CO2 (carbolic acid) in your blood.

When I go out and end up standing in long lines and have a coughing episode, partly from having fresh air restricted for extended periods of time I will loudly say, "I'm ok, it's just emphysema, not Covid."  I had a little cough today at work and the lady I was working with said "oh no, you have a cough" and I had to calm her down and reassure her that it was only from COPD.  I do not leave home without Hall's in my pocket, an albuterol inhaler and some DM cough syrup.  Is what it is.  There is an even much bigger CV 19 story this woman shared about something that happened at her workplace, but due to privacy laws, I cannot.  It is a major Cleveland based Fortune 500 company.

Let's take this one step further.  I can assume that you do not wear glasses, based upon your above remark.  The number one problem that people who wear glasses face from wearing a mask is the constant fogging up of the lenses, obscuring your vision, long enough at the wrong time to stumble and fall or even wreck the car you might be driving, potentially killing or harming yourself and others in your path.  And it's still summer.  Just wait until winter gets here when glasses tend to fog up just from going outdoors in the cold.  Masks will just exacerbate that problem.

I laid out some other points, but they were all ignored and everyone went for the masks, like they are the one sure thing that will save us all or are totally harmless, bothering only the vain or political.  Maybe, but its more of a one size fits all solution that may or may not be helpful.  Having said all of this, I will remind you again that I do wear a mask, voluntarily, even though I have valid reasons not to and especially being that I am a Trump supporter, which I am sure that you find that hard to believe 

Still want to tell me that there is absolutely no downside to wearing masks ?
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 12:21pm



 rgio wrote:


 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
. . . We still don't know how to treat it. We still don't know how to prevent its spread. Everyone has been on both sides of the mask argument. . . .
 
The weight of opinion appears to be that the wearing of masks helps to mitigate the spread. 

What we do know is that wearing masks does not cause harm. It is an inconvenience.

Refusing to wear a mask is not about individual freedom nor patriotism. It is about selfishness and stupidity.

Trump regularly casts the wearing of masks as a personal choice.  One refusing to wear a mask does not just assume the risk for himself or herself. He or she assumes the risk for others — something he or she is not entitled to do.

 
And if you want to limit the economic damage of the virus and open schools...what do you have to lose by wearing a mask? 

Mask wearing has been a known deterrent in the spread of disease for over 100 years.  The suggestion that "everyone has been on both sides" is wrong.  Fauci told citizens not to wear masks when the supply was limited and frontline health workers struggled to find them.  As cases and PPE grew more plentiful, he has been adamant and consistent about wearing them.

There is no downside to wearing a mask.  The only reasons for not wearing one are stupidity, vanity, or a combination of the two. 
 
Indeed!

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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 11:30am



 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
. . . We still don't know how to treat it. We still don't know how to prevent its spread. Everyone has been on both sides of the mask argument. . . .
 
The weight of opinion appears to be that the wearing of masks helps to mitigate the spread. 

What we do know is that wearing masks does not cause harm. It is an inconvenience.

Refusing to wear a mask is not about individual freedom nor patriotism. It is about selfishness and stupidity.

Trump regularly casts the wearing of masks as a personal choice.  One refusing to wear a mask does not just assume the risk for himself or herself. He or she assumes the risk for others — something he or she is not entitled to do.

 
And if you want to limit the economic damage of the virus and open schools...what do you have to lose by wearing a mask? 

Mask wearing has been a known deterrent in the spread of disease for over 100 years.  The suggestion that "everyone has been on both sides" is wrong.  Fauci told citizens not to wear masks when the supply was limited and frontline health workers struggled to find them.  As cases and PPE grew more plentiful, he has been adamant and consistent about wearing them.

There is no downside to wearing a mask.  The only reasons for not wearing one are stupidity, vanity, or a combination of the two. 
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