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The media/nation is on a roll trying to always partition people into a group, for some reason. Instant labelling.
Are they white/black/etc?
Are they male/female/etc?
Are they Christian/Jewish/etc?
Are they Democrat/Republican/etc?

And - tongue in cheek - it reminds me of Randy Newman so that I wonder when news reports will start subdividing people based on height. "Was the killer a short person?" Because we all hate someone, for some characteristic, so we might as well focus on some other one as an identification of horribleness while we're in the groove.


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indeed
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No obfuscation. Straight up zero-sum MAGA!

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Posted: Apr 12, 2021 - 1:55am

 miamizsun wrote:

a couple of coffee thoughts

sort of an irony in this head line (i'm not sure if editors had anything to do with it)

bruni has complained about gays being stereotyped, then stereotypes republicans (to be fair he puts something like a caveat in there)

are there politicians pandering or trying to make hay from this? i'd say so, but lgbt issues have been huge losers for those opposing them

brink lindsey writes about it and how the religious right (and left) have been stream-rolled in the last ten years or so on what once was a lynchpin issue

another important point that probably isn't getting enough attention is the issue of children coerced into transitioning and are trying de-transition now at a later age

peeps can google that see that this is a real issue (and that it is causing a lot of grief and hardship)

who is responsible or liable for these somewhat irreversible procedures? when are children responsible for making a life changing decision like gender/sex reassignment?

and then realize that it is a mistake? is that cruel?

definitely a slippery slope, the intuitive answer is to let children come of age and then let them decide to have surgeries and hormone therapies, etc.

we do this already with other lifestyle decisions

i'd hope that political leaders could have some sort of rational conversation around this, but the intentional idiotic polarization rules the day

unfortunately we're at a point where the government wants to use its force to ban or mandate things what would normally be nuanced issues

because radical politics

100% agree.....damn, if it isn't italics its bold.....
kids can't drive a car, can't drink in a pub, supposedly can't have sex...but can make an absolutely life-changing decision like transitioning when they don't even know who they are yet.

The lawsuits are beginning and will inevitably mount up.....people suing for being allowed to make the decision to do this when they didn't know better and now find they are not only no happier but usually a lot more unhappy and that a mistake has been made.

The world has gone bonkers!

Because radical politics, as you say.

Peace to you too....
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Posted: Apr 11, 2021 - 12:30pm

 R_P wrote:
I thought lifestyle was more of a fashion thing, but it keeps popping up in the strangest contexts: "I don't hate the gays, I just don't like the lifestyle." Seems to be used in lieu of identity in order to trivialize.

maybe try this:

don't hate or harm anyone and someone's lifestyle or decisions how they want to live their lives is their own business

no harm no foul

peace
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Posted: Apr 11, 2021 - 10:00am

 miamizsun has concerns too:
children coerced (will someone plllleeeaaaazzzz)

slippery slope (always. inevitably leads to bestiality or worse)

lifestyle decisions (see below)

government wants to use force (uh-uh)


I thought lifestyle was more of a fashion thing, but it keeps popping up in the strangest contexts: "I don't hate the gays, I just don't like the lifestyle." Seems to be used in lieu of identity in order to trivialize.
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Posted: Apr 11, 2021 - 6:47am

 R_P wrote:
a couple of coffee thoughts

sort of an irony in this head line (i'm not sure if editors had anything to do with it)

bruni has complained about gays being stereotyped, then stereotypes republicans (to be fair he puts something like a caveat in there)

are there politicians pandering or trying to make hay from this? i'd say so, but lgbt issues have been huge losers for those opposing them

brink lindsey writes about it and how the religious right (and left) have been stream-rolled in the last ten years or so on what once was a lynchpin issue

another important point that probably isn't getting enough attention is the issue of children coerced into transitioning and are trying de-transition now at a later age

peeps can google that see that this is a real issue (and that it is causing a lot of grief and hardship)

who is responsible or liable for these somewhat irreversible procedures? when are children responsible for making a life changing decision like gender/sex reassignment?

and then realize that it is a mistake? is that cruel?

definitely a slippery slope, the intuitive answer is to let children come of age and then let them decide to have surgeries and hormone therapies, etc.

we do this already with other lifestyle decisions

i'd hope that political leaders could have some sort of rational conversation around this, but the intentional idiotic polarization rules the day

unfortunately we're at a point where the government wants to use its force to ban or mandate things what would normally be nuanced issues

because radical politics
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Posted: Dec 3, 2019 - 6:42pm

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Cool!  Thanks for posting this.
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Posted: Nov 15, 2019 - 5:17pm


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Posted: Sep 4, 2019 - 6:34am

 islander wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
 islander wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
 islander wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
I am glad the ludicrous nature of gay conversion therapy was brought up in another thread.
Correlates to my struggle with transgenders and surgery. Firstly, I
have a very strong belief that we should all have the freedom to express
who we are and be proud of it. It is a core value of individualism and
what makes us all unique. Our opinions on LGBQT and Hetero people are
absolutely moot, we are what we are and must learn to exist and co exist
with each other as we were born. Which is why I am against hormone
therapy and plastic surgery to alter one's gender if they do not
identify as such. If you are a man who identifies as a woman, be that.
Dress how you want to dress, talk how you want to talk, you just be
you. Same goes for a woman who identifies as a man, be that. Just
because medical technology allows for you to artificially change
genders, does it mean you should? Not to mention the moral obligations
that are mostly not met for obvious reasons for future love interest and
whether one divulges their birth gender or not. Just as you should not
attempt to change your sexuality, why is it ok to change your gender?
And why is it not ok to change your identity and cultural appropriate
for all other examples except gender? Rachel Dolenz got in a lot of
trouble for passing as black, Elizabeth Warren as Native American and so
forth. People are intentionally blinding themselves because they
identify as being blind, they are also purposely amputating limbs for
the same reason (these things have happened, look them up). Why can't
we just all be happy with who we are and live it?
And conversely we have the same responsibility to accept others as they are. 

In other words be true to yourself.
 Anyway, that is where I have finally landed on that and feel quite comfortable with it.


 

Extra emphasis on the I.  I'm glad that you are finally comfortable with your position. But let me just summarize the lead in paragraph:  "Be who you want to be as long as you don't do anything that sirdoseph is uncomfortable with and he will accept you as you are".    I'm not really comfortable that you are able to reconcile all that. 
 
This is my opinion and you not being comfortable with mine is yours. This does not bother me in the slightest.  I hope this does not make you too uncomfortable because you opinion has an extremely low chance as in nil of affecting mine in any way.  So in essence if my opinion does bother you....."You're gonna have a hard time!"{#Lol} 

And likewise, your level of comfort with anyone else's gender identity, sexual identity, or relationship with their doctor/surgeon/psychologist/milkman/music teacher/metermaid/butcher has little meaning to those people.  So be true to your 'rugged individualist' self and don't try to influence policy or opinion that impacts their ability to just be. 
 

Oh I am fully aware of this and never indicated that my opinion was anything but that, but it is mine.  I wonder if you have the same level of self awareness.

{#Think} 

 

I'm fully aware of my many hypocrisies. But not really relevant as you're the one who started the morning posting a bit about 'everyone should be who I think they should be'.   
 
I believe I said everyone should be who they are, but you are free to interpret any way you like.  My sleep pattern will remain the same either way.{#Sleep}
islander

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Gender: Male


Posted: Sep 4, 2019 - 6:27am



 sirdroseph wrote:
 islander wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
 islander wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
I am glad the ludicrous nature of gay conversion therapy was brought up in another thread.
Correlates to my struggle with transgenders and surgery. Firstly, I
have a very strong belief that we should all have the freedom to express
who we are and be proud of it. It is a core value of individualism and
what makes us all unique. Our opinions on LGBQT and Hetero people are
absolutely moot, we are what we are and must learn to exist and co exist
with each other as we were born. Which is why I am against hormone
therapy and plastic surgery to alter one's gender if they do not
identify as such. If you are a man who identifies as a woman, be that.
Dress how you want to dress, talk how you want to talk, you just be
you. Same goes for a woman who identifies as a man, be that. Just
because medical technology allows for you to artificially change
genders, does it mean you should? Not to mention the moral obligations
that are mostly not met for obvious reasons for future love interest and
whether one divulges their birth gender or not. Just as you should not
attempt to change your sexuality, why is it ok to change your gender?
And why is it not ok to change your identity and cultural appropriate
for all other examples except gender? Rachel Dolenz got in a lot of
trouble for passing as black, Elizabeth Warren as Native American and so
forth. People are intentionally blinding themselves because they
identify as being blind, they are also purposely amputating limbs for
the same reason (these things have happened, look them up). Why can't
we just all be happy with who we are and live it?
And conversely we have the same responsibility to accept others as they are. 

In other words be true to yourself.
 Anyway, that is where I have finally landed on that and feel quite comfortable with it.


 

Extra emphasis on the I.  I'm glad that you are finally comfortable with your position. But let me just summarize the lead in paragraph:  "Be who you want to be as long as you don't do anything that sirdoseph is uncomfortable with and he will accept you as you are".    I'm not really comfortable that you are able to reconcile all that. 
 
This is my opinion and you not being comfortable with mine is yours. This does not bother me in the slightest.  I hope this does not make you too uncomfortable because you opinion has an extremely low chance as in nil of affecting mine in any way.  So in essence if my opinion does bother you....."You're gonna have a hard time!"
{#Lol}
 

And likewise, your level of comfort with anyone else's gender identity, sexual identity, or relationship with their doctor/surgeon/psychologist/milkman/music teacher/metermaid/butcher has little meaning to those people.  So be true to your 'rugged individualist' self and don't try to influence policy or opinion that impacts their ability to just be. 
 

Oh I am fully aware of this and never indicated that my opinion was anything but that, but it is mine.  I wonder if you have the same level of self awareness.

{#Think}
 

 

I'm fully aware of my many hypocrisies. But not really relevant as you're the one who started the morning posting a bit about 'everyone should be who I think they should be'.   
sirdroseph

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Gender: Male


Posted: Sep 4, 2019 - 6:03am

 islander wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
 islander wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
I am glad the ludicrous nature of gay conversion therapy was brought up in another thread.
Correlates to my struggle with transgenders and surgery. Firstly, I
have a very strong belief that we should all have the freedom to express
who we are and be proud of it. It is a core value of individualism and
what makes us all unique. Our opinions on LGBQT and Hetero people are
absolutely moot, we are what we are and must learn to exist and co exist
with each other as we were born. Which is why I am against hormone
therapy and plastic surgery to alter one's gender if they do not
identify as such. If you are a man who identifies as a woman, be that.
Dress how you want to dress, talk how you want to talk, you just be
you. Same goes for a woman who identifies as a man, be that. Just
because medical technology allows for you to artificially change
genders, does it mean you should? Not to mention the moral obligations
that are mostly not met for obvious reasons for future love interest and
whether one divulges their birth gender or not. Just as you should not
attempt to change your sexuality, why is it ok to change your gender?
And why is it not ok to change your identity and cultural appropriate
for all other examples except gender? Rachel Dolenz got in a lot of
trouble for passing as black, Elizabeth Warren as Native American and so
forth. People are intentionally blinding themselves because they
identify as being blind, they are also purposely amputating limbs for
the same reason (these things have happened, look them up). Why can't
we just all be happy with who we are and live it?
And conversely we have the same responsibility to accept others as they are. 

In other words be true to yourself.
 Anyway, that is where I have finally landed on that and feel quite comfortable with it.


 

Extra emphasis on the I.  I'm glad that you are finally comfortable with your position. But let me just summarize the lead in paragraph:  "Be who you want to be as long as you don't do anything that sirdoseph is uncomfortable with and he will accept you as you are".    I'm not really comfortable that you are able to reconcile all that. 
 
This is my opinion and you not being comfortable with mine is yours. This does not bother me in the slightest.  I hope this does not make you too uncomfortable because you opinion has an extremely low chance as in nil of affecting mine in any way.  So in essence if my opinion does bother you....."You're gonna have a hard time!"{#Lol} 

And likewise, your level of comfort with anyone else's gender identity, sexual identity, or relationship with their doctor/surgeon/psychologist/milkman/music teacher/metermaid/butcher has little meaning to those people.  So be true to your 'rugged individualist' self and don't try to influence policy or opinion that impacts their ability to just be. 

 

Oh I am fully aware of this and never indicated that my opinion was anything but that, but it is mine.  I wonder if you have the same level of self awareness.{#Think} 

islander

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Location: Seattle
Gender: Male


Posted: Sep 4, 2019 - 5:55am



 sirdroseph wrote:
 islander wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
I am glad the ludicrous nature of gay conversion therapy was brought up in another thread.
Correlates to my struggle with transgenders and surgery. Firstly, I
have a very strong belief that we should all have the freedom to express
who we are and be proud of it. It is a core value of individualism and
what makes us all unique. Our opinions on LGBQT and Hetero people are
absolutely moot, we are what we are and must learn to exist and co exist
with each other as we were born. Which is why I am against hormone
therapy and plastic surgery to alter one's gender if they do not
identify as such. If you are a man who identifies as a woman, be that.
Dress how you want to dress, talk how you want to talk, you just be
you. Same goes for a woman who identifies as a man, be that. Just
because medical technology allows for you to artificially change
genders, does it mean you should? Not to mention the moral obligations
that are mostly not met for obvious reasons for future love interest and
whether one divulges their birth gender or not. Just as you should not
attempt to change your sexuality, why is it ok to change your gender?
And why is it not ok to change your identity and cultural appropriate
for all other examples except gender? Rachel Dolenz got in a lot of
trouble for passing as black, Elizabeth Warren as Native American and so
forth. People are intentionally blinding themselves because they
identify as being blind, they are also purposely amputating limbs for
the same reason (these things have happened, look them up). Why can't
we just all be happy with who we are and live it?
And conversely we have the same responsibility to accept others as they are. 

In other words be true to yourself.
 Anyway, that is where I have finally landed on that and feel quite comfortable with it.


 

Extra emphasis on the I.  I'm glad that you are finally comfortable with your position. But let me just summarize the lead in paragraph:  "Be who you want to be as long as you don't do anything that sirdoseph is uncomfortable with and he will accept you as you are".    I'm not really comfortable that you are able to reconcile all that. 
 
This is my opinion and you not being comfortable with mine is yours. This does not bother me in the slightest.  I hope this does not make you too uncomfortable because you opinion has an extremely low chance as in nil of affecting mine in any way.  So in essence if my opinion does bother you....."You're gonna have a hard time!"
{#Lol}
 

And likewise, your level of comfort with anyone else's gender identity, sexual identity, or relationship with their doctor/surgeon/psychologist/milkman/music teacher/metermaid/butcher has little meaning to those people.  So be true to your 'rugged individualist' self and don't try to influence policy or opinion that impacts their ability to just be. 


sirdroseph

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Gender: Male


Posted: Sep 4, 2019 - 5:50am

 islander wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
I am glad the ludicrous nature of gay conversion therapy was brought up in another thread.
Correlates to my struggle with transgenders and surgery. Firstly, I
have a very strong belief that we should all have the freedom to express
who we are and be proud of it. It is a core value of individualism and
what makes us all unique. Our opinions on LGBQT and Hetero people are
absolutely moot, we are what we are and must learn to exist and co exist
with each other as we were born. Which is why I am against hormone
therapy and plastic surgery to alter one's gender if they do not
identify as such. If you are a man who identifies as a woman, be that.
Dress how you want to dress, talk how you want to talk, you just be
you. Same goes for a woman who identifies as a man, be that. Just
because medical technology allows for you to artificially change
genders, does it mean you should? Not to mention the moral obligations
that are mostly not met for obvious reasons for future love interest and
whether one divulges their birth gender or not. Just as you should not
attempt to change your sexuality, why is it ok to change your gender?
And why is it not ok to change your identity and cultural appropriate
for all other examples except gender? Rachel Dolenz got in a lot of
trouble for passing as black, Elizabeth Warren as Native American and so
forth. People are intentionally blinding themselves because they
identify as being blind, they are also purposely amputating limbs for
the same reason (these things have happened, look them up). Why can't
we just all be happy with who we are and live it?
And conversely we have the same responsibility to accept others as they are. 

In other words be true to yourself.
 Anyway, that is where I have finally landed on that and feel quite comfortable with it.


 

Extra emphasis on the I.  I'm glad that you are finally comfortable with your position. But let me just summarize the lead in paragraph:  "Be who you want to be as long as you don't do anything that sirdoseph is uncomfortable with and he will accept you as you are".    I'm not really comfortable that you are able to reconcile all that. 

 
This is my opinion and you not being comfortable with mine is yours. This does not bother me in the slightest.  I hope this does not make you too uncomfortable because you opinion has an extremely low chance as in nil of affecting mine in any way.  So in essence if my opinion does bother you....."You're gonna have a bad time!"{#Lol}

 

 

islander

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Location: Seattle
Gender: Male


Posted: Sep 4, 2019 - 5:45am



 sirdroseph wrote:
I am glad the ludicrous nature of gay conversion therapy was brought up in another thread.
Correlates to my struggle with transgenders and surgery. Firstly, I
have a very strong belief that we should all have the freedom to express
who we are and be proud of it. It is a core value of individualism and
what makes us all unique. Our opinions on LGBQT and Hetero people are
absolutely moot, we are what we are and must learn to exist and co exist
with each other as we were born. Which is why I am against hormone
therapy and plastic surgery to alter one's gender if they do not
identify as such. If you are a man who identifies as a woman, be that.
Dress how you want to dress, talk how you want to talk, you just be
you. Same goes for a woman who identifies as a man, be that. Just
because medical technology allows for you to artificially change
genders, does it mean you should? Not to mention the moral obligations
that are mostly not met for obvious reasons for future love interest and
whether one divulges their birth gender or not. Just as you should not
attempt to change your sexuality, why is it ok to change your gender?
And why is it not ok to change your identity and cultural appropriate
for all other examples except gender? Rachel Dolenz got in a lot of
trouble for passing as black, Elizabeth Warren as Native American and so
forth. People are intentionally blinding themselves because they
identify as being blind, they are also purposely amputating limbs for
the same reason (these things have happened, look them up). Why can't
we just all be happy with who we are and live it?
And conversely we have the same responsibility to accept others as they are. 

In other words be true to yourself.


 Anyway, that is where I have finally landed on that and feel quite comfortable with it.




 

Extra emphasis on the I.  I'm glad that you are finally comfortable with your position. But let me just summarize the lead in paragraph:  "Be who you want to be as long as you don't do anything that sirdoseph is uncomfortable with and he will accept you as you are".    I'm not really comfortable that you are able to reconcile all that. 
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