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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 1:20pm


Barr personally ordered removal of protesters near White House, leading to use of force against largely peaceful crowd




Attorney General William P. Barr personally ordered law enforcement officials on the ground to clear the streets around Lafayette Square just before President Trump spoke Monday, a Justice Department official said, a directive that prompted a show of aggression against a crowd of largely peaceful protesters, drawing widespread condemnation.


...


On Tuesday, however, federal officials offered conflicting reasons for the forcible removal of the protesters, seeking to separate the move from Trump’s visit to the church.

The White House asserted that the crowd was dispersed to help enforce the city’s 7 p.m. curfew. Meanwhile, two federal law enforcement officials said the decision had been made late Sunday night or early Monday morning to extend the perimeter around Lafayette Square by one block.

The plan was to be executed, according to the Justice Department official, the following afternoon. Barr was a part of the decision-making process, the official said, was not authorized to speak ahead of Barr addressing the matter himself publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The Justice Department official said that in the afternoon, Barr went to survey the scene and found the perimeter had not been extended. The attorney general conferred with law enforcement officials on the ground.

“He conferred with them to check on the status, and basically said, ‘This needs to be done. Get it done,’” the Justice Department official said.


Police soon moved on the protesters.

Throughout Tuesday, several federal agencies involved in the response declined to answer questions about who ordered the use of force and the clearing of the park, which occurred just before Trump’s visit to the park.

A White House spokesman declined to comment on who gave the order, referring questions to law enforcement agencies. The Secret Service declined to comment. A spokesman for the U.S. Park Police said the agency would have a statement, but did not provide one as of Tuesday afternoon.


Defense officials on Tuesday said the National Guard did not participate in decision to clear Lafayette Square on Monday evening and did not take part in firing any rubber bullets or gas.


D.C. city officials said they were not involved in the decision to use force, which Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) called “shameful.”


“I didn’t see any provocation that would warrant the deployment of munitions, and especially for the purpose of moving the president across the street,” the mayor said at a Tuesday news conference.


——————-


Inside the push to tear-gas protesters ahead of a Trump photo op


——————-



Trump had directed Barr to personally “lead” the response to the unrest in D.C. Monday night, according to Justice Department spokeswoman. Less than an hour before police moved to clear the peaceful demonstrators from in front of Lafayette Park, Barr was spotted on video talking to  officials at the scene.

Around the same time, White House deputy chief of operations Tony Ornato  contacted the Secret Service to arrange for the president to make a brief, unplanned appearance outside St. John’s Church, according to two people familiar with the plans. Following protocol, the Secret Service alerted other law enforcement agencies it would need help clearing the area for the president’s safety, they said.








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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 12:36pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 Proclivities wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:
Our own Red_Dragon, played like a fiddle...


Ahead of Trump Bible photo op, police forcibly expel priest from St. John's church near White House
https://radioparadise.com/community/forum/post/3875837


REALITY:

Park Police say DC protesters cleared because they attacked cops, not because of Trump church visit: report


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-protesters-trump-church-visit


 

That scenario wouldn't surprise me but I'm not so sure I'd call that Fox News assertion "reality" just yet -at least not until there is an official statement from the Park Police.   "...on Tuesday morning, Park Police sources told WTOP  that this was not the case, arguing that the protesters were not all peaceful, that tear gas was not used, and that officers did not know of Trump’s visit to the house of worship...The Park Police did not immediately respond to request for comment from Fox News."
There is a later Tweet from Augenstein (well, quite a few later Tweets): :"Obviously, this is Park Police's side of the story. I'll be checking with @wtop reporters who were on the scene last night, to plug-in what they observed with what Park Police are telling me. Park Police will be releasing a statement later today."

 
It is inconceivable that the Secret Service would allow a president to be anywhere near the place if the people there had been attacking cops. 

 
Exactly. Trump would not have made that walk unless the area had been secured.  

Washington Post is reporting that AG Barr had ordered the law enforcement  perimeter be extended by a block.

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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 12:28pm



 Proclivities wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:
Our own Red_Dragon, played like a fiddle...


Ahead of Trump Bible photo op, police forcibly expel priest from St. John's church near White House
https://radioparadise.com/community/forum/post/3875837


REALITY:

Park Police say DC protesters cleared because they attacked cops, not because of Trump church visit: report


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-protesters-trump-church-visit


 

That scenario wouldn't surprise me but I'm not so sure I'd call that Fox News assertion "reality" just yet -at least not until there is an official statement from the Park Police.   "...on Tuesday morning, Park Police sources told WTOP  that this was not the case, arguing that the protesters were not all peaceful, that tear gas was not used, and that officers did not know of Trump’s visit to the house of worship...The Park Police did not immediately respond to request for comment from Fox News."
There is a later Tweet from Augenstein (well, quite a few later Tweets): :"Obviously, this is Park Police's side of the story. I'll be checking with @wtop reporters who were on the scene last night, to plug-in what they observed with what Park Police are telling me. Park Police will be releasing a statement later today."

 
It is inconceivable that the Secret Service would allow a president to be anywhere near the place if the people there had been attacking cops. 

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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 12:21pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:
Our own Red_Dragon, played like a fiddle...


Ahead of Trump Bible photo op, police forcibly expel priest from St. John's church near White House
https://radioparadise.com/community/forum/post/3875837


REALITY:

Park Police say DC protesters cleared because they attacked cops, not because of Trump church visit: report


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-protesters-trump-church-visit


 

That scenario wouldn't surprise me but I'm not so sure I'd call that Fox News assertion "reality" just yet -at least not until there is an official statement from the Park Police.   "...on Tuesday morning, Park Police sources told WTOP  that this was not the case, arguing that the protesters were not all peaceful, that tear gas was not used, and that officers did not know of Trump’s visit to the house of worship...The Park Police did not immediately respond to request for comment from Fox News."
There is a later Tweet from Augenstein (well, quite a few later Tweets): :"Obviously, this is Park Police's side of the story. I'll be checking with @wtop reporters who were on the scene last night, to plug-in what they observed with what Park Police are telling me. Park Police will be releasing a statement later today."

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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 12:02pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 KarmaKarma wrote:
Our own Red_Dragon, played like a fiddle...

Original too!

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
 
Here's a cracker, Polly. Good boy!
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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 11:54am



 R_P wrote:
 KarmaKarma wrote:
Our own Red_Dragon, played like a fiddle...

Original too!
 

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 11:49am

 KarmaKarma wrote:
Our own Red_Dragon, played like a fiddle...

Original too!
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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 11:37am

Our own Red_Dragon, played like a fiddle...


Ahead of Trump Bible photo op, police forcibly expel priest from St. John's church near White House
https://radioparadise.com/community/forum/post/3875837


REALITY:

Park Police say DC protesters cleared because they attacked cops, not because of Trump church visit: report


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-protesters-trump-church-visit


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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 10:39am

Hmmmm. I am pretty sure I saw a post here from KK citing a news article saying that Lafayette Park was cleared not because President Trump would momentarily be making his way on foot from the White House to St. John’s Episcopal Church but because the protesters in the park had attacked law enforcement officers. I guess he deleted  it. 

There is no way President Trump would have made that walk if the area had not been secured to reasonably assure his safety.  

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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 9:10am



 sirdroseph wrote:

I am sure there is probably a little of that left in there for some......maybe, but sadly this motivation has drifted further and further down the list of media priorities.
 
I disagree with your opinion as to the motivations of journalists.


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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 9:04am

 steeler wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
You could very easily surmise that the only true "winners" in all of this mess are the media.  As soon as the cameras turn off, the drama face quickly turns to orgasmic joy as the industry bask in coveted eyeballs and career bumps for the tv personalities.   They don't even need Trump anymore, he is just icing on the cake.{#Rolleyes}
 
The protests/riots across the nation are newsworthy events. So is Covid-19. So was 9-11. So was the Vietnam War, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan. And on and on. 

Journalism careers have been launched or elevated by coverage during times of crisis. War correspondents, in particular, have drawn plaudits. Of course, some of them also have died covering those wars. Journalists put themselves in harm’s way when covering many events/stories, including these recent riots. They do so because that is part of the job. They do so to keep people informed. 

 
I am sure there is probably a little of that left in there for some......maybe, but sadly this motivation has drifted further and further down the list of media priorities.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 8:48am



 sirdroseph wrote:
You could very easily surmise that the only true "winners" in all of this mess are the media.  As soon as the cameras turn off, the drama face quickly turns to orgasmic joy as the industry bask in coveted eyeballs and career bumps for the tv personalities.   They don't even need Trump anymore, he is just icing on the cake.
{#Rolleyes}
 
The protests/riots across the nation are newsworthy events. So is Covid-19. So was 9-11. So was the Vietnam War, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan. And on and on. 

Journalism careers have been launched or elevated by coverage during times of crisis. War correspondents, in particular, have drawn plaudits. Of course, some of them also have died covering those wars. Journalists put themselves in harm’s way when covering many events/stories, including these recent riots. They do so because that is part of the job. They do so to keep people informed. 

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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 7:42am

You could very easily surmise that the only true "winners" in all of this mess are the media.  As soon as the cameras turn off, the drama face quickly turns to orgasmic joy as the industry bask in coveted eyeballs and career bumps for the tv personalities.   They don't even need Trump anymore, he is just icing on the cake.{#Rolleyes}
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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 6:43am



 kcar wrote:
Our own KarmaKarma, played like a fiddle. KK even posted that very tweet bolded in the article below. 

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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 5:52am



 miamizsun wrote:


random thoughts

i don't know a lot about that guy off the field but kaepernick probably had good intentions with less than "thoughtful" execution

in the charity fundraising world working with a stadium in the concession is gold

the reason (here anyway) that a beer cost ten dollars at the stadium is because about half of that goes to the charity staffing it

there's an ecosystem around big sporting events, from the peeps selling beer, soda, water and peanuts walking up and down the stadium stairs, the people selling other trinkets, shirts, etc. to the folks in the parking lot selling stuff (probably parking too)

it doesn't stop there, local sports bars offer food and transport to and from the games and watch parties

i'm sure i'm glossing over some other vendors but i think you can get the idea

his actions probably have an unintended effect on a lot of people depending on that income

lots of emotions around the act too (some people like veterans probably see kneeling during the anthem as a sign of disrespect)

if i was trying to influence someone to consider my point of view i'd do a couple of things:

first don't insult/demean/disrespect them

second make my best case by being inclusive (police violence affects everyone)

third partner with human rights groups, celebrities, etc and call a news/press conference

fourth isolate/focus the concern (get to the point) and offer to engage those highly influential and directly involved (police chiefs, mayors, politicians, etc.)

fifth offer solutions and further dialog

off the top of my head but i'm sure we could come up with more suggestions

regards

 
I generally agree that you want to sway people to your side. But this issue had been and continues to be a festering would. There have been many peaceful calm aplogetic attempts to engage in a dialogue and the problem persisted.  He felt he had an opportunity to use his platform for a louder message. 

Initially he sat for the anthem. After a conversation with a fellow player who was a veteran Marine he switched to the kneel to show respect. I won't try to speak for everyone who didn't receive the message, but I will say there are many who would never receive this message no matter how it was delivered. 

Here are police now kneeling with protesters:



respect and solidarity. Why is it that is respectful, but not from Kaepernick?  Could he have done things better? - sure. Would it have mattered? -  I doubt it. We are here today because we (collectively) were not willing to listen to the message he was sending and chose to quibble over the delivery.

So will we hear the message this time?  Or will we continue to complain that it is not presented in the manner we are willing to hear it?  How loud do you think it will get before we hear?
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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 - 1:10am

 kcar wrote:
Our own KarmaKarma, played like a fiddle. KK even posted that very tweet bolded in the article below.  (...)
 
"Doctor, I keep having these recurring fantasies."
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Posted: Jun 1, 2020 - 11:21pm

Our own KarmaKarma, played like a fiddle. KK even posted that very tweet bolded in the article below. 









White supremacists pose as Antifa online, call for violence







New York (CNN Business)




A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of "Antifa" was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday. The company removed the account.

"This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts," a Twitter spokesperson said in a statement. "We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules."Although the account only had a few hundred followers, it is an example of white supremacists seeking to inflame tensions in the United States by posing as left-wing activists online.

 The revelation of the account comes as President Donald Trump increasingly blames left-wing activists for violence occurring at protests across America.


...



Antifa positions can be hard to define, but many people espousing those beliefs support oppressed populations and protest the amassing of wealth by corporations and elites. Some employ radical or militant tactics to get out their messages.

The fake account, @ANTIFA_US, tweeted Sunday, "ALERT Tonight's the night, Comrades Tonight we say "F**k The City" and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what's ours #BlacklivesMaters #F**kAmerica."

Twitter said that the account was in fact linked to Identity Evropa, a white power fraternity.Though Twitter referred to the group as Identity Evropa when discussing the account's removal, the Anti Defamation League (ADL) states that the group dissolved and reformed under the name the American Identitarian Movement, which it also calls a white supremacist group.

The group promotes itself as "identitarian," that white people should preserve their racial and cultural identity. The American Identitarian Movement says it prohibits violence and illegal activity.

CNN has reached out to the group for comment.

    Twitter said it had shut down other fake accounts linked to Identity Evropa, too.

    The phenomenon of people on the right creating fake Antifa accounts predates the current wave of protests. The takedown Monday is not the first time a fake Antifa account linked to white supremacists has been suspended by Twitter, the spokesperson confirmed.

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    Posted: Jun 1, 2020 - 4:00pm

    Police officers are targeting journalists covering protests.
    Reporters and news photographers say they are being roughed up by the police, shot with projectiles and arrested while covering demonstrations against racism and police brutality across the country. The U.S. Press Freedom Tracker and a writer for the Bellingcat website have each tracked about 100 instances of reporters being harassed or injured at the protests.

    In interviews, reporters said they had identified themselves as members of the press before police drew their weapons or pepper-sprayed them.

    Tyler Blint-Welsh, a reporter for The Wall Street Journal, said he was hit multiple times by police officers while covering a protest in New York on Sunday. “I was backing away as request, with my hands up,” Mr. Blint-Welsh, who is black, wrote on Twitter. “My NYPD-issued press badge was clearly visible.”

    Andrea May Sahouri, a reporter for The Des Moines Register, was pepper-sprayed and handcuffed with zip-ties after identifying herself as a journalist while covering a protest at a Des Moines mall on Sunday evening. She streamed video live from the back of a police vehicle, and was later released.

    The arrest of journalists covering demonstrations and riots is common in autocratic countries, but has been rare in the United States, where freedom of the press is protected by the First Amendment.

    Many reporters, photographers and press advocates said the treatment of journalists by police officers in the last week reflected an erosion of trust in the news media that has seeped into law enforcement under President Trump, who has deemed critical coverage of his administration “fake news” and has frequently labeled some news organizations and journalists with variants of the phrase “enemies of the people.”

    On Sunday, Mr. Trump blamed the news media for the protests in a tweet, calling journalists “truly bad people with a sick agenda.”

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    Posted: Jun 1, 2020 - 12:24pm

     cc_rider wrote:

     miamizsun wrote:

    isn't this the opposite of what they should be doing?

    if people are inciting or provoking violence towards innocent and peaceful people they may be doing it wrong

    it seems this will lead to problems that will probably hurt their cause

    peace


     Yes, they are doing it wrong. The inciters of violence, I mean. I believe there is a small subset of 'protesters' who really just want to tear the whole thing down, consequences be damned. I believe most protests start out peacefully - then the agitators get involved, and it all goes to $hit.

    HOWEVER, there was a guy who really tried to do it right. He used his considerable public presence to bring attention to black and brown deaths at the hands of 'peace' officers. He made a silent, peaceful gesture, on live TV. At first he just sat during the Anthem, but a fellow NFL player, Nate Boyer, encouraged him to take a knee instead - a sign of respect while still a sign of protest. Silent, peaceful, respectful protest.
    Remember him? He lost his job and was blackballed by his industry, for making a silent, peaceful political protest.

    Point is, what is it going to take? Is it going to take an 'Edmund Pettus Bridge' event? Or another Kent State? Worse? Peaceful hasn't worked, clearly violence hasn't either, what's next?

    By the way, 'protesters' who show up at state capitols, heavily armed, with racist symbols held high, have been treated quite differently from unarmed protesters waving homemade signs.

    peace - we need some
    c.
     
    random thoughts

    i don't know a lot about that guy off the field but kaepernick probably had good intentions with less than "thoughtful" execution

    in the charity fundraising world working with a stadium in the concession is gold

    the reason (here anyway) that a beer cost ten dollars at the stadium is because about half of that goes to the charity staffing it

    there's an ecosystem around big sporting events, from the peeps selling beer, soda, water and peanuts walking up and down the stadium stairs, the people selling other trinkets, shirts, etc. to the folks in the parking lot selling stuff (probably parking too)

    it doesn't stop there, local sports bars offer food and transport to and from the games and watch parties

    i'm sure i'm glossing over some other vendors but i think you can get the idea

    his actions probably have an unintended effect on a lot of people depending on that income

    lots of emotions around the act too (some people like veterans probably see kneeling during the anthem as a sign of disrespect)

    if i was trying to influence someone to consider my point of view i'd do a couple of things:

    first don't insult/demean/disrespect them

    second make my best case by being inclusive (police violence affects everyone)

    third partner with human rights groups, celebrities, etc and call a news/press conference

    fourth isolate/focus the concern (get to the point) and offer to engage those highly influential and directly involved (police chiefs, mayors, politicians, etc.)

    fifth offer solutions and further dialog

    off the top of my head but i'm sure we could come up with more suggestions

    regards
    KarmaKarma

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    Posted: May 31, 2020 - 7:13pm



     buddy wrote:


     KarmaKarma wrote:


     buddy wrote:
    Anything & everything  put out by Trump, Pence, Kayleigh McEnany, Kellyanne Conway, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner - all of them and their sycophant goons - it's  all lies, misdirection, diversion, pathetic, unAmerican, disloyal, unfeeling, selfish bullshit.

    That's the real fake news. And I think many, if not most of their supporters know that & don't care one bit.

    And that's all I have to say about that.
     
    This is absolutely the last post I'll aim in your direction. You are pathetic & a perfect example of what is wrong with this country.  In my humble opinion.

    Carry on, KK(k)

     
    Promises, promises.  You also said that LAST time. And the time before that.  And the time ...  lol


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