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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 9:12pm

 kcar wrote:


 Ohmsen wrote:
The hero worship for Joe Biden really annoys me...

...
 

I'm not going to spend my Saturday evening debunking your misconceptions and unsupported memories. 
...
 
I understand.  Actually there is nothing to debunk anyway.

Enjoy you're evening.

Cheers !
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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 5:59pm



 Ohmsen wrote:
The hero worship for Joe Biden really annoys me...

You will have noticed that the USA is in what could be described as a race war. Black Lives Matter only affects the tip of the iceberg. Black people have a significantly lower life expectancy and are much more likely to be in prison than others. Just look at the graphic here, how likely it is, depending on your skin color, to have been in prison at least once in your life. The graphics are old. Newer graphics don't look any better.

This is due to the War on Drugs and the Criminal Justice Reform of 1994, which introduced things like three strikes (automatic life imprisonment after the third offense) and minimum sentences. Here is the list.
Also on it: death penalty for 60 additional offenses. Abolition of Pell Grants for prisoners (with which they could get higher education). Etc.

This law was written by Joe Biden and brought through Parliament.

So if there is one person who is primarily to blame for the state of affairs in the US, it is Joe "friendly grandfather" Biden, who previously celebrated himself as a tough Law and Order fascist for decades. There are videos. See for yourself.

Even before this presidential election campaign, he never left any doubts that he was still behind his law. Now it's turning a bit. He still thinks the law is good, but how the federal states (!) Have implemented it (!!), he sees one or the other problem.

And so we have the paradoxical situation that a habitual liar and blender and incompetent total failure like Donald Trump is the candidate who is more likely to end the Race War.

In my view, both candidates are completely unacceptable.

Incidentally, Joe Biden sees Julian Assange as a "high-tech terrorist", not as a journalist or whistleblower. If anyone thought that if Biden won, then Assange's suffering would come to an end. Joe Biden also stands for crypto backdoors and the clipper chip. You have to give it one thing. His doing has continuity.

* * * * *

Going back to Hunter Biden: Just because the laptop story is implausible doesn't mean Hunter Biden isn't actually completely incompetent and criminal.

If you want to find out all the details of the story, you can do so with Matt Taibbi and Katie Halper (the first third of the program, approx. 20 minutes).

Let me sum it up in a nasty short: After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine, like Russia, is in the hands of criminal gangs. One of them is Burisma, an electricity company. The public prosecutor's office, also in the hands of organized crime, drives a protection money number with the other criminals.

The Mafia is not stupid and Burisma is hiring a bunch of relatives of Western statesmen for their "board of directors", Hunter Biden is one of them, but they also have someone under contract for the Polish government and one for the US State Department. The "consultants" get generous piles of money for essentially no work.

In fairness I should say that this is also common in the West. The supervisory boards of large corporations in Germany are also crammed with politicians who then have an incentive to prevent regulation that is too restrictive.

Hunter Biden is said to have worked on his father so that he clears away this public prosecutor who wanted protection money from Burisma.

That doesn't sound unbelievable to me. This is exactly how you would do it if you were a mafia boss in Ukraine.

But this laptop number is bull****, sorry. This is parallel construction. Some secret service wiretapping device will have intercepted e-mail, and now they're telling us some invented BS with the laptop.

Incidentally, Hunter Biden's seat on a supervisory board in Ukraine's AFAIK is neither unusual, offensive, nor illegal. Not even that he then affects his father. If the father allows himself to be influenced by his son, it slowly becomes immoral, but if all the father does is to remove a corrupt prosecutor, then I see little reason for big anti-corruption speeches.

Unless we (Germany) now suddenly see it negatively when the US violates the sovereignty of other states. Didn't I get the memo? If so, then we can talk about Ramstein (where, by the way, a "space center" is to be set up by NATO).
 

I'm not going to spend my Saturday evening debunking your misconceptions and unsupported memories.

I'll just note this: the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act was enacted in 1994, TWENTY SIX YEARS ago. Different time, different America, different levels of violent crime, drug use, etc.

The law had bipartisan support in Congress and widespread public approval  including among Blacks. 

Biden did not approve of all the proposed or passed measures and worked shortly the law's enactment to get some harsher measures repealed. 

Some laws such as the "three strikes and you're out" rule were largely symbolic and rarely enforced. 

Biden has worked since 1994 to pass laws that try to redress inequities in punishment laws, such as the disparity in sentencing for crack-cocaine possession and powder cocaine possession. 


So dig in on your own:  

https://www.vox.com/policy-and...

https://www.factcheck.org/2019...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...



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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 4:52pm



 R_P wrote:
"29% of voters said a “robust Covid-19 recover plan” is the most important factor in their vote, ahead of 22% who said the economy and job creation, 17% who said restoring trust in the government and 10% who said health care."
 

And, what could that 'robust Covid-19 recover plan' look like, R_P?

Why don't you get active, out of your roll, troll?
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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 4:31pm

"29% of voters said a “robust Covid-19 recover plan” is the most important factor in their vote, ahead of 22% who said the economy and job creation, 17% who said restoring trust in the government and 10% who said health care."
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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 3:50pm



 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
This plan has a name.  It is called the Great Reset.


 

Honestly now, that was a goofy one (could a been a good one)! Just like promising to roll a joint and then putting incense in it!
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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 3:50pm



 Ohmsen wrote:
What about western media being bought up by China? Or Youtube, Facebook, Twitter censoring everything they don't approve of? These are not isolated incidents. It all fits together. The left is marching towards totalitarianism. That's why they have much stricter covid lockdowns, demanding absolute obedience.

The neolib Dems, joined by the neocons, seek to control the very minds of the people, at every turn they can. And they fool the people by making them believe it's for their own good. They couldn't care less about the people. What they seek is total domination.
 


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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 3:42pm

 kurtster wrote:
This plan has a name.  It is called the Great Reset.


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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 2:55pm


kurtster

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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 2:12pm

 Ohmsen wrote:
What about western media being bought up by China? Or Youtube, Facebook, Twitter censoring everything they don't approve of? These are not isolated incidents. It all fits together. The left is marching towards totalitarianism. That's why they have much stricter covid lockdowns, demanding absolute obedience.

The neolib Dems, joined by the neocons, seek to control the very minds of the people, at every turn they can. And they fool the people by making them believe it's for their own good. They couldn't care less about the people. What they seek is total domination.
 
This plan has a name.  It is called the Great Reset.
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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 2:03pm

While Her Father Rails Against ‘Idiot’ Scientists, Ivanka Trump Talks Ice Cream
The first daughter is trying to woo the white suburban female voters who have become her father’s demographic kryptonite.
As perhaps the president’s most influential aide, his daughter tends to be studiously quiet in public, even over policies she is believed to personally oppose. She inspired a spoof perfume commercial on Saturday Night Live — a fragrance called “Complicit.” (“She’s beautiful. She’s powerful. She’s complicit.”)

Ohmsen

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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 1:41pm

The hero worship for Joe Biden really annoys me...

You will have noticed that the USA is in what could be described as a race war. Black Lives Matter only affects the tip of the iceberg. Black people have a significantly lower life expectancy and are much more likely to be in prison than others. Just look at the graphic here, how likely it is, depending on your skin color, to have been in prison at least once in your life. The graphics are old. Newer graphics don't look any better.

This is due to the War on Drugs and the Criminal Justice Reform of 1994, which introduced things like three strikes (automatic life imprisonment after the third offense) and minimum sentences. Here is the list.
Also on it: death penalty for 60 additional offenses. Abolition of Pell Grants for prisoners (with which they could get higher education). Etc.

This law was written by Joe Biden and brought through Parliament.

So if there is one person who is primarily to blame for the state of affairs in the US, it is Joe "friendly grandfather" Biden, who previously celebrated himself as a tough Law and Order fascist for decades. There are videos. See for yourself.

Even before this presidential election campaign, he never left any doubts that he was still behind his law. Now it's turning a bit. He still thinks the law is good, but how the federal states (!) Have implemented it (!!), he sees one or the other problem.

And so we have the paradoxical situation that a habitual liar and blender and incompetent total failure like Donald Trump is the candidate who is more likely to end the Race War.

In my view, both candidates are completely unacceptable.

Incidentally, Joe Biden sees Julian Assange as a "high-tech terrorist", not as a journalist or whistleblower. If anyone thought that if Biden won, then Assange's suffering would come to an end. Joe Biden also stands for crypto backdoors and the clipper chip. You have to give it one thing. His doing has continuity.

* * * * *

Going back to Hunter Biden: Just because the laptop story is implausible doesn't mean Hunter Biden isn't actually completely incompetent and criminal.

If you want to find out all the details of the story, you can do so with Matt Taibbi and Katie Halper (the first third of the program, approx. 20 minutes).

Let me sum it up in a nasty short: After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine, like Russia, is in the hands of criminal gangs. One of them is Burisma, an electricity company. The public prosecutor's office, also in the hands of organized crime, drives a protection money number with the other criminals.

The Mafia is not stupid and Burisma is hiring a bunch of relatives of Western statesmen for their "board of directors", Hunter Biden is one of them, but they also have someone under contract for the Polish government and one for the US State Department. The "consultants" get generous piles of money for essentially no work.

In fairness I should say that this is also common in the West. The supervisory boards of large corporations in Germany are also crammed with politicians who then have an incentive to prevent regulation that is too restrictive.

Hunter Biden is said to have worked on his father so that he clears away this public prosecutor who wanted protection money from Burisma.

That doesn't sound unbelievable to me. This is exactly how you would do it if you were a mafia boss in Ukraine.

But this laptop number is bull****, sorry. This is parallel construction. Some secret service wiretapping device will have intercepted e-mail, and now they're telling us some invented BS with the laptop.

Incidentally, Hunter Biden's seat on a supervisory board in Ukraine's AFAIK is neither unusual, offensive, nor illegal. Not even that he then affects his father. If the father allows himself to be influenced by his son, it slowly becomes immoral, but if all the father does is to remove a corrupt prosecutor, then I see little reason for big anti-corruption speeches.

Unless we (Germany) now suddenly see it negatively when the US violates the sovereignty of other states. Didn't I get the memo? If so, then we can talk about Ramstein (where, by the way, a "space center" is to be set up by NATO).
Ohmsen

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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 12:51pm

What about western media being bought up by China? Or Youtube, Facebook, Twitter censoring everything they don't approve of? These are not isolated incidents. It all fits together. The left is marching towards totalitarianism. That's why they have much stricter covid lockdowns, demanding absolute obedience.

The neolib Dems, joined by the neocons, seek to control the very minds of the people, at every turn they can. And they fool the people by making them believe it's for their own good. They couldn't care less about the people. What they seek is total domination.
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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 11:30am

Chumps for Trump!  Thanks Joe.

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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 11:23am


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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 10:53am

https://nymag.com/intelligence...
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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 5:47am


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Posted: Oct 24, 2020 - 1:48am

The movement Chuck is talking about is not BLM, there is another way to vote:
 
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Posted: Oct 23, 2020 - 9:27pm

Trump’s Pathetic Attempt to Get Netanyahu to Attack Biden Falls Flat
Donald Trump offered a public performance of the abuse of office he was impeached for last year, this time as farce.
Trump’s own aides appeared to be aware of how embarrassing it was for him that Netanyahu refused to take up his invitation to attack Biden, because they edited out his question when they posted video of the Israeli prime minister’s answer on the president’s official YouTube channel.

kcar

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Posted: Oct 23, 2020 - 4:32pm

WTF is going on at the WSJ? The news side of the organization shot down an opinion piece on the Bidens that the op-ed side of the paper put out. 

I knew that the opinion and editorial people are regarded as extremist even within the paper—it's been like that since the editorial board promoted economist Arthur Laffer and supply-side economics—but this is messed up. 

A Wall Street Journal columnist said Joe Biden was part of Hunter’s business deal. Hours later, its news reporters said the opposite.



Readers of the Wall Street Journal may have felt a bit of whiplash on Thursday over a news story and an opinion column that presented sharply conflicting accounts of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s alleged role in one of his son’s business ventures.

The Journal column — hailed as a bombshell before the final presidential debate by Biden critics, including President Trump — asserted that Biden was involved in a deal arranged by his son Hunter with a Chinese energy conglomerate in 2017.

Columnist Kimberley Strassel relied on the account of Hunter Biden’s former business partner, Tony Bobulinski, who provided documents that “suggest Hunter was cashing in on the Biden name and that Joe Biden was involved.”

But a few hours after Strassel’s column was published, the Journal’s news side offered a much different take.

“The venture . . . never received proposed funds from the Chinese company or completed any deals, according to people familiar with the matter,” Journal reporters Andrew Duehren and James Areddy wrote. “Corporate records reviewed by the Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.” The reporters also quoted another partner in the venture, James Gilliar, who said he was “unaware of any involvement at anytime of the former vice president.”

Biden has long denied that he ever had foreign business dealings with his son, and there is no evidence beyond Bobulinski’s assertions. Trump himself has faced questions about foreign business interests while serving as president.

Dueling accounts from the same publication about a major news story are rare. Also unusual: Opinion columnists typically don’t attempt to break news. Large, mainstream news organizations such as the Journal manage their news-reporting and opinion operations separately. The Journal’s news side is under editor in chief Matthew Murray; Paul A. Gigot is editor of its editorial page.

In the Journal’s case, there’s an ongoing civil war between its news staff and its opinion side, as well as a wider war among news organizations controlled by the family of media baron Rupert Murdoch.

In July, more than 280 employees at the Journal and its parent company, Dow Jones, protested what they said was the spread of “misinformation” by the paper’s opinion pages. “Opinion’s lack of fact-checking and transparency, and its apparent disregard for evidence, undermine our readers’ trust and our ability to gain credibility with sources,” the employees wrote to new publisher Almar Latour. “Many readers already cannot tell the difference between reporting and Opinion. And from those who know of the divide, reporters nonetheless face questions about the Journal’s accuracy and fairness because of errors published in opinion.”


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