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black321

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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 7:26am



 kurtster wrote:

Too early to tell.  You do admit that the same people who tried the coup attempt are part and parcel of Biden ?

This is the fiercest election fight in all my years.  I see it as the last Hail Mary to stop all the investigations underway that are actually convicting people involved in this coup attempt.  Biden wins and they all go away.  No holds are barred towards this end.

That is what this election is about to me.
 

Lots of wrong things...
Clinton didnt say never concede...just dont concede on the night of the election, because of mail in ballots...
Trump said something similar, but was more allusive/ambiguous about what he meant. 

As for the "coup"
Was there an unorganized effort by democrats AND republicans to keep trump from being president? Yes
Was there reason for many of the actions taken to thwart trump? yes
take the wire tap...there was grounds to tap a candidate who had 'unusual" ties/meetings with russians...

So once again, trump supporters may be asking some good questions, they just have the wrong answers 
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 7:19am



 kurtster wrote:

Too early to tell.  You do admit that the same people who tried the coup attempt are part and parcel of Biden ?

This is the fiercest election fight in all my years.  I see it as the last Hail Mary to stop all the investigations underway that are actually convicting people involved in this coup attempt.  Biden wins and they all go away.  No holds are barred towards this end.

That is what this election is about to me.
 

In what alternate universe has anyone been convicted of attempting a "coup" against Trump?

In the universe I live in, the only convictions have been of Trump's associates. Perhaps you're referring to the prosecutions of vile anti-Trump forces at work in the "deep state" that you & others like you have been telling us for years are just around the corner, next week, next month. Kinda like Trump's ACA replacement. 
 
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 5:59am

 Proclivities wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
Most politically active people are angry, abusive and say awful things about each other.  Most of it true of course.{#Propeller}
 
Maybe not "most politically active people " in true numbers, but the most noticeable ones tend to have those traits you speak of.

 
And to be clear, not only am I including the candidates, their teams and the leaders themselves, I meant them in particular.
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 5:28am



 sirdroseph wrote:
Most politically active people are angry, abusive and say awful things about each other.  Most of it true of course.
{#Propeller}
 
Maybe not "most politically active people " in true numbers, but the most noticeable ones tend to have those traits you speak of.

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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 3:56am

Most politically active people are angry, abusive and say awful things about each other.  Most of it true of course.{#Propeller}
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Posted: Sep 25, 2020 - 3:52am

 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede regardless of the outcome should he lose.
 

When and where? Again with your fantasy crap. Put up some links to back your claim or shut up. Jesus you are becoming worse than KarmaKarma. 


 

Hillary Clinton says Joe Biden should not concede on election night

 
 
 
She said this year's election day results might point to Trump having a narrow advantage. But in that case, Clinton said, "Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out."
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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 9:53pm



 kurtster wrote:

And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede regardless of the outcome should he lose.
 

When and where? Again with your fantasy crap. Put up some links to back your claim or shut up. Jesus you are becoming worse than KarmaKarma. 




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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 9:50pm



 kurtster wrote:
Regarding the transfer of power issue, the transfer of power from Obama to Trump was a coup attempt that has so far failed.  It was not friendly, trusting or proper at any level.  There was no real cooperation.  The hold overs did everything within their power to obfuscate and obstruct and ultimately impeach Trump from day one in ways that are reprehensible.  He was considered to be illegitimately elected by these people who were very much involved in the transfer of power.  Comey and Yates for openers.  The Intelligence Community and DOJ were involved over their eyeballs.

Trump was spied on and investigated 8 ways to Sunday based upon invented lies and illegal activity in order to get him out of power.

Y'all believed anything you heard about Trump and Russia, but y'all don't believe anything about Biden and Ukraine and China, which is real and worse.

Sigh ...
 

What a steaming shitload of fantasy. Just one issue proves you wrong. It also proves that YOU DON'T F4*CKING READ even when people try to take you seriously and engage you in serious conversation. 

Here, I'll post these links for you again. READ THEM THIS TIME AND PUT YOUR FANTASY COUP CRAP DOWN. And have your doctor check you out for dementia. 


Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’

In a tabletop exercise days before an untested new president took power, officials briefed the incoming administration on a scenario remarkably like the one he faces now.





Evidence Shows Obama Team Left A Pandemic ‘Game Plan’ For Trump Administration




Obama team left pandemic playbook for Trump administration, officials confirm



Pandemic Timeline: The Obama Blame Game

Obama’s team briefed Trump’s transition team on a simulation that anticipated the very type of outbreak now blanketing the earth, but Trump ignored its lessons. Trump inherited a White House pandemic response team, but he disbanded it.







How Trump Gutted Obama’s Pandemic-Preparedness Systems

Former officials: Trump’s reshuffling of positions and departments, focus on business solutions, downgrading of science, left the country dangerously unprepared for an unprecedented pandemic.




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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 7:55pm



 kurtster wrote:
Regarding the transfer of power issue, the transfer of power from Obama to Trump was a coup attempt that has so far failed.  It was not friendly, trusting or proper at any level.  There was no real cooperation.  The hold overs did everything within their power to obfuscate and obstruct and ultimately impeach Trump from day one in ways that are reprehensible.  He was considered to be illegitimately elected by these people who were very much involved in the transfer of power.  Comey and Yates for openers.  The Intelligence Community and DOJ were involved over their eyeballs.

Trump was spied on and investigated 8 ways to Sunday based upon invented lies and illegal activity in order to get him out of power.

Y'all believed anything you heard about Trump and Russia, but y'all don't believe anything about Biden and Ukraine and China, which is real and worse.

Sigh ...
 

Curious - do you use the contraction "y'all" in your daily speech,  or is it exclusive to your online persona?
steeler

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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 6:39pm



 kurtster wrote:

Too early to tell.
  You do admit that the same people who tried the coup attempt are part and parcel of Biden ?

This is the fiercest election fight in all my years.  I see it as the last Hail Mary to stop all the investigations underway that are actually convicting people involved in this coup attempt.  Biden wins and they all go away.  No holds are barred towards this end.

That is what this election is about to me.
 
Hardly. His statements are indefensible on their face. 

kurtster

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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 6:34pm

 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede.
 

Biden is the candidate.

Do you have a defense for Trump’s repeated statements? You do not see them as irresponsible and dangerous?  
 
Too early to tell.  You do admit that the same people who tried the coup attempt are part and parcel of Biden ?

This is the fiercest election fight in all my years.  I see it as the last Hail Mary to stop all the investigations underway that are actually convicting people involved in this coup attempt.  Biden wins and they all go away.  No holds are barred towards this end.

That is what this election is about to me.
steeler

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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 6:03pm



 kurtster wrote:

And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede.
 

Biden is the candidate.

Do you have a defense for Trump’s repeated statements? You do not see them as irresponsible and dangerous?  
kurtster

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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 6:01pm

 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
Regarding the transfer of power issue, the transfer of power from Obama to Trump was a coup attempt that has so far failed.  It was not friendly, trusting or proper at any level.  There was no real cooperation.  The hold overs did everything within their power to obfuscate and obstruct and ultimately impeach Trump from day one in ways that are reprehensible.  He was considered to be illegitimately elected by these people who were very much involved in the transfer of power.  Comey and Yates for openers.  The Intelligence Community and DOJ were involved over their eyeballs.

Trump was spied on and investigated 8 ways to Sunday based upon invented lies and illegal activity in order to get him out of power.

Y'all believed anything you heard about Trump and Russia, but y'all don't believe anything about Biden and Ukraine and China, which is real and worse.

Sigh ...
 
Even if what you are saying were true, that does not mean 2 wrongs make a right.

Trump just stated yesterday that he would not commit to accepting the results of the election if he loses. He regularly says that the election is being “rigged” against him and the only way he would lose is if there is widespread fraud. Peaceful transition anyone? A hallmark of our democracy being eroded by Trump. Even Republicans reluctant to go against Trump, like Mitch McConnell, had to speak out against that irresponsible statement by Trump. This unprecedented and dangerous statement— alone — should cement why this man should not be re-elected.

 
And Hillary and others are demanding Biden never to concede regardless of the outcome should he lose.
steeler

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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 5:58pm



 kurtster wrote:
Regarding the transfer of power issue, the transfer of power from Obama to Trump was a coup attempt that has so far failed.  It was not friendly, trusting or proper at any level.  There was no real cooperation.  The hold overs did everything within their power to obfuscate and obstruct and ultimately impeach Trump from day one in ways that are reprehensible.  He was considered to be illegitimately elected by these people who were very much involved in the transfer of power.  Comey and Yates for openers.  The Intelligence Community and DOJ were involved over their eyeballs.

Trump was spied on and investigated 8 ways to Sunday based upon invented lies and illegal activity in order to get him out of power.

Y'all believed anything you heard about Trump and Russia, but y'all don't believe anything about Biden and Ukraine and China, which is real and worse.

Sigh ...
 
Even if what you are saying were true, that does not mean 2 wrongs make a right.

Trump just stated yesterday that he would not commit to accepting the results of the election if he loses. He regularly says that the election is being “rigged” against him and the only way he would lose is if there is widespread fraud. Peaceful transition anyone? A hallmark of our democracy being eroded by Trump. Even Republicans reluctant to go against Trump, like Mitch McConnell, had to speak out against that irresponsible statement by Trump. This unprecedented and dangerous statement— alone — should cement why this man should not be re-elected.

kurtster

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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 5:53pm

Regarding the transfer of power issue, the transfer of power from Obama to Trump was a coup attempt that has so far failed.  It was not friendly, trusting or proper at any level.  There was no real cooperation.  The hold overs did everything within their power to obfuscate and obstruct and ultimately impeach Trump from day one in ways that are reprehensible.  He was considered to be illegitimately elected by these people who were very much involved in the transfer of power.  Comey and Yates for openers.  The Intelligence Community and DOJ were involved over their eyeballs.

Trump was spied on and investigated 8 ways to Sunday based upon invented lies and illegal activity in order to get him out of power.

Y'all believed anything you heard about Trump and Russia, but y'all don't believe anything about Biden and Ukraine and China, which is real and worse.

Sigh ...
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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 1:20pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
!  Did that staff writer just compare the threat Trump poses to Al-Qaeda?    !

Pasted:
Nineteen summers ago, when counterterrorism analysts warned of a coming attack by al‑Qaeda, they could only guess at a date. This year, if election analysts are right, we know when the trouble is likely to come. Call it the Interregnum: the interval from Election Day to the next president’s swearing-in. It is a temporal no-man’s-land between the presidency of Donald Trump and an uncertain successor—a second term for Trump or a first for Biden. The transfer of power we usually take for granted has several intermediate steps, and they are fragile.



This article was published on the website before subscribers received their copy due to the 'urgency'.  I  wonder if the 'activism' of The Atlantic reflects Jeffrey Goldberg's personal views.   Goldberg can , incidentally, be an excellent read on Mid-East issues.  
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Posted: Sep 24, 2020 - 12:17pm

The Election That Could Break America
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Posted: Sep 23, 2020 - 11:31am

The Economic Case for Biden
Sep 21, 2020
EDMUND S. PHELPS
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Posted: Sep 22, 2020 - 9:10am

 miamizsun wrote:
great msg and made me lol for real

mmmm...  baloney

Visualize your 2020 vote. from Vimeo Staff on Vimeo.

 

i think today is national voter registration day
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Posted: Sep 21, 2020 - 10:52am



 miamizsun wrote:


as far as i can tell both parties are doing basically the same stuff that they've always done

more hype on it, which is great for ratings, but looks like same old chicanery

am i missing something new or groundbreaking?

picking the lesser evil?


does it matter?

yes, if we want different results
 

Unless someone is a died-in-the-wool supporter of their party, come hell or high water (dammit 2020!), every election is always about picking the lesser evil, more so in a system that (realistically) only offers a binary choice.

Trump came on the scene because Repub voters were sick and tired of the same old same old.  After Trump leaves (and he will!) the Republicans will have rejuvenated themselves with fresh blood and the courage to try new ways.

You got Biden because ... how?  Beholden to privilege and the surging hard left, that's how.

The Democrats are now the party in dire need of fresh blood and credible ideas & leadership.  And many Dem voters who have switched to Trump are saying: they didn't leave the Democrats, the Democrats left them.
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