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Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 9, 2020 - 5:15pm

Isabeau wrote:
Woa. The hair splitting on selective outrage could crochet a FEMA disaster tarp. 

Who's your daddy?
Isabeau

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Posted: Mar 8, 2020 - 8:39pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
Red_Dragon wrote:

I know you want to see this as a ruling class vs. the proletariat thing, but neither of these kids control who their parents are or what options their families can give them. Yeah, their daddies are both rich, and you could argue that neither of those daddies deserve to be. What does that imply about their children?

What would be your preferred alternative? These two shouldn't be friendly? Should they spit at each other? Should one stick to Martha's Vineyard and the other to Mar-a-Lago?

They are showing more tolerance and grace than most people posting here. Good on 'em. Party on, ladies—get to know each other, listen to each other, strive to be better humans than your ancestors.

 

Woa. The hair splitting on selective outrage could crochet a FEMA disaster tarp. 

Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 8, 2020 - 8:24pm

Red_Dragon wrote:

I know you want to see this as a ruling class vs. the proletariat thing, but neither of these kids control who their parents are or what options their families can give them. Yeah, their daddies are both rich, and you could argue that neither of those daddies deserve to be. What does that imply about their children?

What would be your preferred alternative? These two shouldn't be friendly? Should they spit at each other? Should one stick to Martha's Vineyard and the other to Mar-a-Lago?

They are showing more tolerance and grace than most people posting here. Good on 'em. Party on, ladies—get to know each other, listen to each other, strive to be better humans than your ancestors.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 8, 2020 - 12:59pm

haresfur

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 2:25pm



 sirdroseph wrote:


Voting is not a responsibility, it is a right. Sounds pretty Facist to me. Force and coercion so completely uninformed voters can make completely uninformed choices. High vote count to nothingness.

 


Voting is not a responsibility - in your world, maybe

it is a right - apparently not in your world

Force - no; coercion/encouragement? why not. You don't have to vote for anyone here. You don't even have to vote if you want to pay the $250 if they bother to chase you up. I fail to see how a system of seeing how many uninformed voters you can get riled up is any better. If anything people are better informed as they prepare to go vote, not a bad outcome.

If that's the worst thing fascists bring, I wouldn't be so scared of them.




Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 2:13pm

westslope wrote:
Conventional wisdom is institutional?     Not sure I follow.  Perhaps you could elaborate.

Yes, of course. A set of assumptions that have been adopted as right and proper for so long that no one examines them anymore.

Like using Imperial units of measure. No one questions it and suggesting something else might work better is seen as unpatriotic, because of course we use miles and gallons! What are we, savages?

And sirdroseph is correct: there is absolutely nothing in our constitution dictating that vetting candidates for the ballot must be subcontracted to political parties—and only to two of them at that. Or that Congress be divided up by party, or that party leadership have any role recognized by  the state. These are all accretions of tradition, accidents of history that have become institutions that most people dare not question. None of them exist as a matter of law.
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 12:21pm

 westslope wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
westslope wrote:
Low voter participation can signal a number of things.

1.  General consent with the status quo and the performance of economic and political elites.

2.  Frustration with a constitution that forces people into narrow policy choices.   Or expressed differently, paternalistically arbitrarily pushes candidates to the median voter.

3.  Frustration with voter disqualification campaigns — a rather unique characteristic of the American system.

4. Despair.

Item 2 above isn't an accurate portrayal of why we have so few options to choose from, and why they stray so little from the current consensus. The constraints aren't constitutional, they're institutional. Conventional wisdom solidified around a status quo that works well for those in power, not those they rule.
 
Conventional wisdom is institutional?     Not sure I follow.  Perhaps you could elaborate.

 
What he is saying is there is nothing in the constitution that is forcing people into narrow policy choices.  It is the false construct of a two party duopoly.
westslope

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 12:06pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
westslope wrote:
Low voter participation can signal a number of things.

1.  General consent with the status quo and the performance of economic and political elites.

2.  Frustration with a constitution that forces people into narrow policy choices.   Or expressed differently, paternalistically arbitrarily pushes candidates to the median voter.

3.  Frustration with voter disqualification campaigns — a rather unique characteristic of the American system.

4. Despair.

Item 2 above isn't an accurate portrayal of why we have so few options to choose from, and why they stray so little from the current consensus. The constraints aren't constitutional, they're institutional. Conventional wisdom solidified around a status quo that works well for those in power, not those they rule.
 
Conventional wisdom is institutional?     Not sure I follow.  Perhaps you could elaborate.

Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 11:57am

westslope wrote:
Low voter participation can signal a number of things.

1.  General consent with the status quo and the performance of economic and political elites.

2.  Frustration with a constitution that forces people into narrow policy choices.   Or expressed differently, paternalistically arbitrarily pushes candidates to the median voter.

3.  Frustration with voter disqualification campaigns — a rather unique characteristic of the American system.

4. Despair.

Item 2 above isn't an accurate portrayal of why we have so few options to choose from, and why they stray so little from the current consensus. The constraints aren't constitutional, they're institutional. Conventional wisdom solidified around a status quo that works well for those in power, not those they rule.
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 10:03am

 Proclivities wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

Semantically you are correct authoritarian would be a better term.    favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom:
 

Speaking of which, (not related at all really) Elon Musk announced that he had just opened a restaurant on the moon which he had crews secretly working on for years.  The food is apparently fantastic but there's no atmosphere at all.
 
{#Lol}
Proclivities

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 9:54am



 sirdroseph wrote:

Semantically you are correct authoritarian would be a better term.    favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom:
 

Speaking of which, (not related at all really) Elon Musk announced that he had just opened a restaurant on the moon which he had crews secretly working on for years.  The food is apparently fantastic but there's no atmosphere at all.


buddy

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 8:59am

Warren dropped out, no endorsement yet.
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 8:55am

 Proclivities wrote:

 sirdroseph wrote:

Voting is not a responsibility, it is a right. Sounds pretty Facist to me. Force and coercion so completely uninformed voters can make completely uninformed choices. High vote count to nothingness.
 
Technically, fascism would allow very few (if any) people to vote, and there would be no opposition candidates, but few people seem concerned about such distinctions anymore.
 
Semantically you are correct authoritarian would be a better term.    favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom:
westslope

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Location: BC sage brush steppe


Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 8:34am

Low voter participation can signal a number of things.

1.  General consent with the status quo and the performance of economic and political elites.

2.  Frustration with a constitution that forces people into narrow policy choices.   Or expressed differently, paternalistically and arbitrarily pushes candidates to the median voter.

3.  Frustration with voter disqualification campaigns — a rather unique characteristic of the American system.  
Proclivities

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 8:27am


 sirdroseph wrote:

Voting is not a responsibility, it is a right. Sounds pretty Facist to me. Force and coercion so completely uninformed voters can make completely uninformed choices. High vote count to nothingness.
 
Technically, fascism would allow very few (if any) people to vote, and there would be no opposition candidates, but few people seem concerned about such distinctions anymore.
islander

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 8:23am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Welp: Our next president will be an old white man. 

Warren's dropping out.
 
Are these statements supposed to be related?

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 8:10am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Welp: Our next president will be an old white man. 

Warren's dropping out.
 
Nonsense, Tulsi's gonna turn it around any day now.

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 7:58am

Welp: Our next president will be an old white man. 

Warren's dropping out.
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 6:19am

 sirdroseph wrote:
... sounds fascist to me... 
 

feeling a wee bit dramatic this morning?
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 4:19am

 haresfur wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 islander wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 islander wrote:


 
 
We had both, which caused chaos and confusion. Got rid of the caucus and kept the primary, our mail by date is the 10th, so a bunch of people are waiting to see who's still viable after yesterday.

Again - nationwide, same day, plenty of notice, mail in option, maybe the day off.  The system will still have plenty of flaws, but let's at least rationalize the entry point.
 
That would be ok if you had ranked-choice voting or if the bottom candidate gets to decide who to throw their votes to and cascade them up until someone has a majority.

 
Seems complex. Here's an easier alternative that still meets my requirements  (except the mail in part):

 
Well if the Australians can figure it out, anyone else can. So in our elections you can vote for your first choice then rank your next choices. I think there is a minimum number but you don't have to work you way through all the right wing wacko parties that you put below the Pirate Party, the Sex Part, and the Motoring Enthusiasts.

But if that's too much of a pain, you can vote for your first choice then let them dole out your preferences to the down-ballot parties. The nice thing is you can have your protest vote without helping, say, the Clive Palmer United Party formed by a coal baron.

 

Haresfur: is compulsory voting helpful or not in your opinion? Do Australians try to become informed or do they just blindly throw darts at the board? 

I was amused that Cleaver Greene was elected to the Senate in season 5 of "Rake" pretty much due to voter confusion and scant attention. Unfortunately the show's lost its zaniness. 

Another idle thought: Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome came out in '85 when we definitely had color photography and videography. So why the b/w photo? I keep seeing the same b/w choice in recently used photos from events in the 70s...
 

I think compulsory voting is a good idea. It's part of your responsibility as a citizen. I think the biggest advantage is that it takes voter suppression out of the picture, mostly. If you are going to make people vote, they will generally not stand for you making it hard for them to vote. And if you really want, you can spoil your ballot. We vote on paper and as near as I can tell get results counted as fast as in the US. Are people informed? Well not the ones who support the racist parties 

I never got into Rake - past my bedtime.
 
Voting is not a responsibility, it is a right.  Sounds pretty Facist to me.  Force and coercion so completely uninformed voters can make completely uninformed choices.  High vote count to nothingness.
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