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miamizsun

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Posted: Nov 22, 2019 - 3:09pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I will say that Justine's Hybrid does fine in subzero temps. If the battery's weaker, the fuel economy should drop, but it really doesn't.
 

sweet

could be heat from the engine or exhaust that may keep it from getting cold enough to have a noticeable effect
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Posted: Nov 22, 2019 - 2:09pm



 miamizsun wrote:
 

I will say that Justine's Hybrid does fine in subzero temps. If the battery's weaker, the fuel economy should drop, but it really doesn't.
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Posted: Nov 22, 2019 - 1:13pm

ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Generally I would agree but my commute is 50 miles a day and I could totally see having an all-electric for that, then the family van for longer trips. But yeah the range of the Honda Insight we borrowed a couple of times was impressive. Something like 600 miles on a 9 gallon tank.
 
How's the range on an electric car when the temps are 20 below? 
  
 Lazy8 wrote:
But how much can it tow? How much can it carry? What kind of range does it have when it's -20? Those body panels look like plastic; I get why they might do that (much lower tooling cost than stamped metal, which keeps the investment down) but how well will it hold up to the abuse it will get in the real world? How easy will it be to fix? What's under that bed cover and how easy does it come off? It's the shape of a pickup but does it function like one?

Building trucks is hard. Large, well-funded international companies who've actually done it before fail at it all the time. I wish them lots of success, but if I were a betting man I'd put money on this being vaporware and the company vanishing in a very stylish puff of dust.
  
this is a serious concern if you experience that kind of weather (i would hang on to my ICE)

i looked around a bit and depending on who you ask the answers vary

but they're not good especially if you're running the heater  (twenty to forty percent?)

and who isn't running heat freaking freezing temps?

for fun i googled fuel cells and in extreme cold they can suffer, but not like the battery tech tesla and rivian rely on

toyota and honda seem to be the leaders in this area



"While record low temperatures have stranded many East Coast drivers, Toyota’s fuel cell hybrid vehicles show no signs of degradation.  Over the last decade, the Toyota fuel cell fleet has logged millions of miles in some of the most extreme climates on the planet. In Yellowknife, Canada, where temperatures reach -30° C , fuel cell engineers spent weeks verifying cold weather start up, performance and durability. In Death Valley, they verified that their fuel cells can also beat the heat.  And some fuel cells have even been tested in the remote mountains of Afghanistan while providing portable power for the military."
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Posted: Nov 22, 2019 - 7:56am

miamizsun wrote:
i get that this is first rev, but i'd like to see design from tesla more like the rivian

here's their pitch


 

Good luck to 'em.

They seem to have picked a market niche that's been well explored by other manufacturers: a vehicle pitched to the kind of people who appear in Red Bull ads. Young , hip, environmentally-conscious adventurers with oodles of money. Unfortunately for everyone who's been there before the people in Red Bull ads are imaginary.

There are quite a few people who buy pickup trucks, however, me included. I don't see much here to address the concerns we have. An electric pickup has some appeal: low maintenance, lots of power for things like winches or power tools, potentially really nimble 4WD, low operating costs.

But how much can it tow? How much can it carry? What kind of range does it have when it's -20? Those body panels look like plastic; I get why they might do that (much lower tooling cost than stamped metal, which keeps the investment down) but how well will it hold up to the abuse it will get in the real world? How easy will it be to fix? What's under that bed cover and how easy does it come off? It's the shape of a pickup but does it function like one?

Building trucks is hard. Large, well-funded international companies who've actually done it before fail at it all the time. I wish them lots of success, but if I were a betting man I'd put money on this being vaporware and the company vanishing in a very stylish puff of dust.
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Posted: Nov 22, 2019 - 5:50am

 Coaxial wrote:
That 0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds is something I'd truly like to see.{#Motor}
 

the electric motors have a lot of low end torque

off the line they're pretty impressive

i get that this is first rev, but i'd like to see design from tesla more like the rivian

here's their pitch


 
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Posted: Nov 22, 2019 - 5:25am

 miamizsun wrote:
the tech here is fantastic but the look?

i'm sure swat teams wet their collective pants

but i'm still processing...
 
That 0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds is something I'd truly like to see.{#Motor}
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Posted: Nov 22, 2019 - 5:09am

the tech here is fantastic but the look?

i'm sure swat teams wet their collective pants

but i'm still processing...


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Posted: Oct 15, 2019 - 4:35am

 SeriousLee wrote:
Interesting. I took a 2-year Electronics course many, many moons ago. I thought capacitors were the coolest thing. {#Smile}

But the dude has to stop the massive editing of his videos. (I'm assuming it's the same with his other videos) Jittery, to the point it gets annoying.
 
twitches, tics, it's all good...
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Posted: Oct 14, 2019 - 9:35am

 miamizsun wrote:

video of a tesla fanboi but may be useful when understanding their battery tech
 
Interesting. I took a 2-year Electronics course many, many moons ago. I thought capacitors were the coolest thing. {#Smile}

But the dude has to stop the massive editing of his videos. (I'm assuming it's the same with his other videos) Jittery, to the point it gets annoying.
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Posted: Oct 14, 2019 - 9:05am




video of a tesla fanboi but may be useful when understanding their battery tech
miamizsun

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Posted: Jun 17, 2019 - 12:41pm



pretty ambitious stuff
btw reel engineering is a good youtube channel


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Posted: Jul 30, 2016 - 8:20pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

How's the range on heat in an electric car when the temps are 20 below? 

 

FYQ ...


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Posted: Jul 30, 2016 - 2:29pm

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
It's actually quite nice to have a break of 15-25 minutes after 2-3 hours of driving, which is why battery swapping didn't meet customer demand. Elon Musk explains it here: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/a25872/elon-musk-tesla-battery-swap/

That was also my experience when I took a rented Tesla on a 10 day 2500 mile road-trip through Europa. Bottom line of that was: Tesla is fully capable of long-range travel. You might also want to read about this world record: http://www.teslaupdates.co/2016/06/tesla-model-s-p85d-breaks-ev-world.html

PS: Thanks to TuneIn internet radio on the Tesla, we listened to Radio Paradise throughout Europe! :)
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Posted: Apr 1, 2016 - 2:27pm

 miamizsun wrote:

my biz partner has a tesla model s

a nice car with outstanding performance

but long distance travel is out

i could make it work here for my everyday driving

until battery tech gets a lot better and the charging is everywhere people will probably be cautious

is there an industry standard charging connection?

 
The map here indicated pretty good coverage, but there is the whole waiting for it to charge thing. Perhaps they should install more of those battery-swap stations to speed things up. {#Arrowd}{#Arrowd}


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Posted: Apr 1, 2016 - 2:21pm

 Steely_D wrote:

I like being able to pull into a gas station when the trip is long. It'll take a lot to convince me that all electric is worth the annoyance and time of pulling over to a supercharger and waiting...and waiting... especially on long trips.

 
my biz partner has a tesla model s

a nice car with outstanding performance

but long distance travel is out

i could make it work here for my everyday driving

until battery tech gets a lot better and the charging is everywhere people will probably be cautious

is there an industry standard charging connection?


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Posted: Apr 1, 2016 - 2:07pm


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Posted: Apr 1, 2016 - 2:03pm

 Steely_D wrote:

I like being able to pull into a gas station when the trip is long. It'll take a lot to convince me that all electric is worth the annoyance and time of pulling over to a supercharger and waiting...and waiting... especially on long trips.

 
Generally I would agree but my commute is 50 miles a day and I could totally see having an all-electric for that, then the family van for longer trips. But yeah the range of the Honda Insight we borrowed a couple of times was impressive. Something like 600 miles on a 9 gallon tank.
 
How's the range on an electric car when the temps are 20 below? 
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Posted: Apr 1, 2016 - 1:26pm

 miamizsun wrote:

i think chevy has a Bolt EV coming out soon

200 mile range and a touch screen display

approximately 31 grand

however i agree with sd that the new tesla looks nice and there are several charging (some destination) stations near me
 
I like being able to pull into a gas station when the trip is long. It'll take a lot to convince me that all electric is worth the annoyance and time of pulling over to a supercharger and waiting...and waiting... especially on long trips.
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Posted: Apr 1, 2016 - 11:39am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Weird that they would think a total re-think of things like that is worth the effort.

 
i think chevy has a Bolt EV coming out soon

200 mile range and a touch screen display

approximately 31 grand

however i agree with sd that the new tesla looks nice and there are several charging (some destination) stations near me


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Posted: Apr 1, 2016 - 11:01am

 Steely_D wrote:
 Just getting to the "now playing" screen is a major production.
 
Weird that they would think a total re-think of things like that is worth the effort.
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