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Posted: Jul 24, 2016 - 6:32pm

Anyone out there feeling berned ?



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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 6:27pm

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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 6:22pm

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Well, you know I agree with that. SCIENCE!
But there's always gonna be a litmus test.
No Romney, he's a Mormon.
No Obama, he's a Muslim.
No Hillary, she's a Clinton.
No Bernie, he's a socialist.
No Trump, he's got small hands.

etc.

We don't have the option of picking no one, so we gotta go with the lesser, unfortunately, of all the evils.

You gotta serve somebody.

 

 
These guys are cool, but they are from Indonesia, so not eligible :
 

Local, but not as cool, I guess that makes them the lesser:
 


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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 6:08pm

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Jill Stein is an anti-vaxer, therefore all of her opinions should be ignored. An anti-science doctor would make a terrible leader for this, or any, country.

 
Well, you know I agree with that. SCIENCE!
But there's always gonna be a litmus test.
No Romney, he's a Mormon.
No Obama, he's a Muslim.
No Hillary, she's a Clinton.
No Bernie, he's a socialist.
No Trump, he's got small hands.

etc.

We don't have the option of picking no one, so we gotta go with the lesser, unfortunately, of all the evils.

You gotta serve somebody.

 
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 6:04pm

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 n4ku wrote:
I keep trying to tell my brother that voting for Johnson is just like voting for Trump, but my brother is an asshole, so there's not much I can do.

Funny, my Republican friends insist I'm voting for Hillary.

 
Puh Guh
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 5:49pm

 n4ku wrote:
I keep trying to tell my brother that voting for Johnson is just like voting for Trump, but my brother is an asshole, so there's not much I can do.

Funny, my Republican friends insist I'm voting for Hillary.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 5:15pm

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thanks i wasn't aware of that and i may have missed it on the issues/platform stuff

i thought i saw on democracy now where she graduated from havard med

regards

edit: there's always gary johnson {#Wink}

 
I keep trying to tell my brother that voting for Johnson is just like voting for Trump, but my brother is an asshole, so there's not much I can do.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 1:15pm

 n4ku wrote:
Jill Stein is an anti-vaxer, therefore all of her opinions should be ignored. An anti-science doctor would make a terrible leader for this, or any, country. 

Jill Stein has fallen for a conspiracy theory about Big Pharma. Donald Trump has pitched (can't say fallen for—I doubt he believes much of what he says) conspiracy theories about immigrants. Bernie Sanders has spent a lifetime peddling a conspiracy theory about The Bankahs. Hillary Clinton will swear she believes in whatever conspiracy theory her audience believes in.

Pick your poison, or opt out.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 8:46am

 n4ku wrote:

Jill Stein is an anti-vaxer, therefore all of her opinions should be ignored. An anti-science doctor would make a terrible leader for this, or any, country.

 
I don't particularly agree with her but I'm not sure she's as much "anti-vaccination" as she is skeptical of what she claims is corporate influence.  Still, she grossly understates the importance of vaccines (especially for a physician) and often seems to be pandering to different "fringe" groups within the Green Party.  When a politician incessantly uses terms like "Big-Pharma" (or "Big-anything" for that matter), I usually expect poorly-researched, fear-mongering rhetoric to follow.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 8:33am

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Uhhh .... really?

The Internet, the most powerful research tool available to the masses, and there's even a doubt about "how this vaccination thing breaks down" ?

C'mon man. 

 
It was kinda rhetorical and stupid now that you mention it.  But on the other hand, I did have to confront the shingles vaccine back when it was in trials and said no to it.  We now know its only 50 to 60% effective.  Not worth the risks involved.  I'm just now wrapping up my bought with shingles after two weeks, today.  Guess its just on my mind and the rather strong stance taken about it below just sorta made me go there, without trying to be inflammatory in the process.

This whole medical thing where they market drugs directly to you on the TVoid does have me pissed though, shifting gears.  It seems like every other drug they keep shoving down our throats includes the risk of lymphomas.  I mean WTF ?  And when will all the boner pill ads go away ?  

Rant off ...

Edit:  I did try a search.  all's I found was. you're nuts if you even question vaccines.  


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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 8:28am

Just wondering how this vaccination thing breaks down.  What are the numbers when parents are separated from those who have never had children regarding choice in the matter ?
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 8:22am

 n4ku wrote:

Jill Stein is an anti-vaxer, therefore all of her opinions should be ignored. An anti-science doctor would make a terrible leader for this, or any, country.

 
thanks i wasn't aware of that and i may have missed it on the issues/platform stuff

i thought i saw on democracy now where she graduated from havard med

regards

edit: there's always gary johnson {#Wink}


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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 7:53am

 miamizsun wrote:

Revolution Undermined: On Bernie Sanders’s Endorsement of Hillary Clinton

I join millions of Americans who see Hillary Clinton’s campaign as the opposite of what they and Bernie Sanders have fought for. Despite her penchant for flip flopping rhetoric, Hillary Clinton has spent decades consistently serving the causes of Wall Street, war and the Walmart economy.

The policies she fought for – along with her husband and political partner, Bill Clinton – have been foundations of the economic disaster most Americans are still struggling with: the abuses of deregulated Wall Street, rigged corporate trade agreements, racist mass incarceration, and the destruction of the social safety net for poor women and children. The consistent efforts of the Democratic Party to minimize, sideline, and sabotage the Sanders campaign are a wake up call that we can’t have a revolutionary campaign inside a counter-revolutionary party.

Sadly, Sanders is one of a long line of true reformers that have been undermined by the Democratic Party. The eventual suppression of the Sanders campaign was virtually guaranteed from the beginning with super-delegates and super Tuesdays, that were created after George McGovern’s nomination to prevent grassroots campaigns from winning the nomination again.

Sanders, a life-long independent who has advocated for building an independent democratic socialist party similar to Canada’s New Democratic Party, has said that his decision to run as a Democrat was based on pragmatism, but there is nothing pragmatic about supporting a party that for decades has consistently sold out the progressive majority to the billionaire class. This false pragmatism is not the path to revolutionary change but rather an incrementalism that keeps us trapped, voting for lesser evil again and again.

Each time a progressive challenger like Sanders, Dennis Kucinich or Jesse Jackson has inspired hope for real change, the Democratic Party has sabotaged them while marching to the right, becoming more corporatist and militarist with each election cycle.

Millions are realizing that if we want to fix the rigged economy, the rigged racial injustice system, the rigged health care system, toxic fossil fuel energy and all the other systems failing us, we must fix the rigged political system, and that will not happen through the rigged Democratic Party.

Right now we have a real chance to change our rigged political system, and we must not squander this opportunity by pledging allegiance to a corrupt political insider who the majority of Americans do not like, trust or believe in.

What is most disappointing is that Sanders has refused invitations to speak to the Green Party, a truly democratic national party that has long championed the progressive stands that lifted the Sanders campaign to the top of national polls.

Fortunately, this November voters across America will still have the choice to cast a revolutionary vote to cancel student debt, achieve full employment and stop the climate meltdown through a Green New Deal, provide universal healthcare with Medicare for All, provide a welcoming path to citizenship, end mass incarceration and create a foreign policy based on international law and human rights. We need to commit to improving the lives of all Americans, not just the wealthy and special interests.

As the Sanders campaign’s dominance of national polls has shown, our positions are shared by a majority of voters, and with the Green Party on the ballot in November the majority can vote for what they want and get it. Together we can beat both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, the two most unpopular and least trusted presidential candidates in American history.

I call on the tens of millions inspired by Bernie Sanders’ call for political revolution, the 60% of Americans who want a new major party, and the independents who outnumber both Democrats and Republicans to reject the self-defeating strategy of voting for the lesser evil and join our fight for the greater good.

I ask the rising independent majority to demand our inclusion in the Presidential debates, for as Sanders proved, in fair debates we can rally the majority of Americans behind a plan for an America and a world that works for all of us.



 
Jill Stein is an anti-vaxer, therefore all of her opinions should be ignored. An anti-science doctor would make a terrible leader for this, or any, country.
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Posted: Jul 13, 2016 - 5:35am

Lesser of Two Evils Vote is Counterproductive and Morally Corrupt

There’s probably never been a US presidential election where both likely nominees are more despised by more people. Millions on both sides plan to vote for the least despicable candidate. Do you need more proof our political system is corrupt to the core? If you’re a Hillary Clinton supporter and plan to vote for her, that’s fine. But Bernie Sanders supporters are being pressured and shamed into voting for Clinton. This “pragmatic” lesser of two evilstactic may work for the short term, but it will just embolden establishment politics and undermine future chances for real progressive change.

Even if your vote helps defeat Trump you’re clearly telling Democratic party elites they can confidently betray your concerns as long as they offer you someone marginally better than the Republican alternative. Where will it end? The Democratic Party will just continue to betray progressive causes with impunity. Progressives should say enough is enough and put moral principles above short-term political expediency.

The Democratic Party elites are going out of their way with all manner of dirty tricks to stack the deck for Clinton. They’re counting on Sanders supporters to “feel the guilt” if they dare to not vote for their chosen one. But if Trump wins, it won’t be the fault of Sanders supporters voting their conscience. It will be the fault of party elites trying to force an establishment faux progressive down the throats of true progressives knowing full well their choice will alienate millions of progressive Democrats and independents while bringing Trump supporters out in droves.

Like Clinton supporters, Sanders supporters have every right to vote for someone based on their moral principles. Sanders supporters shouldn’t be coerced to compromise their moral principles and merely vote against someone. Democratic Party elites are blackmailing them by claiming, “if you don’t vote for our chosen one, it’s your fault if Trump wins.” No, it’s the fault of the Democratic Party for ignoring and marginalizing progressives. If it were really about beating Trump, party elites would change their allegiance to Sanders who would beat Trump more handily than Clinton according to multiple polls.

The onus is on the Democratic Party to promote someone who is worthy of your vote. The party elites shouldn’t expect to be exonerated for second-rate judgment by getting Sanders supporters to violate their moral principles and vote for the lesser of two evils.

 

 

Revolution Undermined: On Bernie Sanders’s Endorsement of Hillary Clinton

I join millions of Americans who see Hillary Clinton’s campaign as the opposite of what they and Bernie Sanders have fought for. Despite her penchant for flip flopping rhetoric, Hillary Clinton has spent decades consistently serving the causes of Wall Street, war and the Walmart economy.

The policies she fought for – along with her husband and political partner, Bill Clinton – have been foundations of the economic disaster most Americans are still struggling with: the abuses of deregulated Wall Street, rigged corporate trade agreements, racist mass incarceration, and the destruction of the social safety net for poor women and children. The consistent efforts of the Democratic Party to minimize, sideline, and sabotage the Sanders campaign are a wake up call that we can’t have a revolutionary campaign inside a counter-revolutionary party.

Sadly, Sanders is one of a long line of true reformers that have been undermined by the Democratic Party. The eventual suppression of the Sanders campaign was virtually guaranteed from the beginning with super-delegates and super Tuesdays, that were created after George McGovern’s nomination to prevent grassroots campaigns from winning the nomination again.

Sanders, a life-long independent who has advocated for building an independent democratic socialist party similar to Canada’s New Democratic Party, has said that his decision to run as a Democrat was based on pragmatism, but there is nothing pragmatic about supporting a party that for decades has consistently sold out the progressive majority to the billionaire class. This false pragmatism is not the path to revolutionary change but rather an incrementalism that keeps us trapped, voting for lesser evil again and again.

Each time a progressive challenger like Sanders, Dennis Kucinich or Jesse Jackson has inspired hope for real change, the Democratic Party has sabotaged them while marching to the right, becoming more corporatist and militarist with each election cycle.

Millions are realizing that if we want to fix the rigged economy, the rigged racial injustice system, the rigged health care system, toxic fossil fuel energy and all the other systems failing us, we must fix the rigged political system, and that will not happen through the rigged Democratic Party.

Right now we have a real chance to change our rigged political system, and we must not squander this opportunity by pledging allegiance to a corrupt political insider who the majority of Americans do not like, trust or believe in.

What is most disappointing is that Sanders has refused invitations to speak to the Green Party, a truly democratic national party that has long championed the progressive stands that lifted the Sanders campaign to the top of national polls.

Fortunately, this November voters across America will still have the choice to cast a revolutionary vote to cancel student debt, achieve full employment and stop the climate meltdown through a Green New Deal, provide universal healthcare with Medicare for All, provide a welcoming path to citizenship, end mass incarceration and create a foreign policy based on international law and human rights. We need to commit to improving the lives of all Americans, not just the wealthy and special interests.

As the Sanders campaign’s dominance of national polls has shown, our positions are shared by a majority of voters, and with the Green Party on the ballot in November the majority can vote for what they want and get it. Together we can beat both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, the two most unpopular and least trusted presidential candidates in American history.

I call on the tens of millions inspired by Bernie Sanders’ call for political revolution, the 60% of Americans who want a new major party, and the independents who outnumber both Democrats and Republicans to reject the self-defeating strategy of voting for the lesser evil and join our fight for the greater good.

I ask the rising independent majority to demand our inclusion in the Presidential debates, for as Sanders proved, in fair debates we can rally the majority of Americans behind a plan for an America and a world that works for all of us.


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Posted: Jun 27, 2016 - 5:11pm

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I really don't want to see Elizabeth Warren as VP because she is too important in the senate and it would be a road to political oblivion.

 
Totally understand. I go back and forth with that too. She can probably accomplish a lot more as a senator than as VP.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2016 - 4:13pm

 Rod wrote:

My guess is that Hillary will think Bernie is too strong a personality and would be constantly upstaging her as VP, forcing her into positions she is not willing to bend. She's actually quite conservative in my view, and too hawkish, and will likely drift back that way as soon as she is elected. I would love to see Bernie or Elizabeth Warren on the ticket, but I know better than to hold my breath.

 
I really don't want to see Elizabeth Warren as VP because she is too important in the senate and it would be a road to political oblivion.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2016 - 1:27pm

 buddy wrote:
I'm on the fence about Sanders as Clinton's VP choice.  On the one hand, it would seem the landslide to come would be locked in with him on the ticket.  But I worry that he might become more of a distraction than an asset to the ticket.

Thoughts?

...and please spare me the "they both suck", Dems suck, Hilary is a war criminal, he should have won in the first place stuff.  Plenty of threads for that.  Really trying to get some rational thoughts here. 

 
My guess is that Hillary will think Bernie is too strong a personality and would be constantly upstaging her as VP, forcing her into positions she is not willing to bend. She's actually quite conservative in my view, and too hawkish, and will likely drift back that way as soon as she is elected. I would love to see Bernie or Elizabeth Warren on the ticket, but I know better than to hold my breath.


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Posted: Jun 27, 2016 - 11:56am

 buddy wrote:
I'm on the fence about Sanders as Clinton's VP choice.  On the one hand, it would seem the landslide to come would be locked in with him on the ticket.  But I worry that he might become more of a distraction than an asset to the ticket.

Thoughts?

...and please spare me the "they both suck", Dems suck, Hilary is a war criminal, he should have won in the first place stuff.  Plenty of threads for that.  Really trying to get some rational thoughts here. 

 
I don't see him as compatible with Hillary, and I don't see her needing him at all.
The moment Sanders says he's out, he becomes ignored.
It's in his movement's best interest to stay in the game until the last possible minute.

But, in the Trump for President movement, if Sanders jumps to the Green Party with Jill Stein he stands a large chance of putting Trump in the House. Maybe not. Maybe he'd win. Maybe not... 
and sorry, I know you were looking for rational thought, but maybe this will fill the space until that arrives.
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