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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 8:08am

I would prefer critics to focus on the US sanctions against Venezuela. 

Those sanctions are a) helping ordinary people suffer, b) prolonging the life of the Maduro regime, and c) thwarting prospects for US-based multinational companies in the area.   By suffering, I am referring to poor medical treatment, a loss of hygiene and clean drinking water, various levels of starvation.

Point c) might matter only for American interests as there are typically many non-US based sophisticated multinational companies to fill the gap these days.   But that should point out how self-loathing these sanctions are with the implicit suggestion that other policy actions would steer US policy in a win-win direction.

Latin American leftists share a lot in common with Latin American as well as US conservatives. All these folks love zero-sum game and negative-sum game outcomes. They all believe in arbitrary takings and do not care about well-defined, secure economic property rights.  They all thrive on us versus them righteousness.  

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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 9:34pm

 westslope wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
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Bolivia Shows Why Imperialists Work To Keep Populations Propagandized
Bolivia has reversed the US-backed coup which saw its leftist president Evo Morales ousted from the lithium-rich nation after a landslide victory last year. Another landslide victory for a previous member of Morales' cabinet named Luis Arce has restored power to the Movement Toward Socialism (MAS) party after a year of rule by the coup regime.

Contrary to what a recent Guardian headline asserts this was not a "stunning comeback" for MAS but a widely anticipated repudiation of the false claims that were spun by western narrative managers that Morales had rigged the election last year in a dictatorial assault upon democracy. Two landslide victories in as many years is neither "stunning" nor a "comeback", it's just the people decisively making their will known two times. (...)
 
R_P:  Imperialism.....   Whether the USA backed the coup or not, did it really make a difference?
 
Not if you're intent on downplaying (how fashionable!) the event, the role of the OAS (incl. Canada's role), and your beloved generals who figured out the right course of action.
 
You should spend some time in Latin America, in particular chatting up conservatives.  They don't require US help to do all kinds of nasty stuff.

The nasty was already apparent (and it echoes centuries). Who requires/helps who?
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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 9:00pm



 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
 R_P wrote:
Bolivia Shows Why Imperialists Work To Keep Populations Propagandized
Bolivia has reversed the US-backed coup which saw its leftist president Evo Morales ousted from the lithium-rich nation after a landslide victory last year. Another landslide victory for a previous member of Morales' cabinet named Luis Arce has restored power to the Movement Toward Socialism (MAS) party after a year of rule by the coup regime.

Contrary to what a recent Guardian headline asserts this was not a "stunning comeback" for MAS but a widely anticipated repudiation of the false claims that were spun by western narrative managers that Morales had rigged the election last year in a dictatorial assault upon democracy. Two landslide victories in as many years is neither "stunning" nor a "comeback", it's just the people decisively making their will known two times. (...)
 
R_P:  Imperialism.....   Whether the USA backed the coup or not, did it really make a difference?
 
Not if you're intent on downplaying (how fashionable!) the event, the role of the OAS (incl. Canada's role), and your beloved generals who figured out the right course of action.
 

You should spend some time in Latin America, in particular chatting up conservatives.  They don't require US help to do all kinds of nasty stuff.  


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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 8:06pm


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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 - 4:09pm

 westslope wrote:
 R_P wrote:
Bolivia Shows Why Imperialists Work To Keep Populations Propagandized
Bolivia has reversed the US-backed coup which saw its leftist president Evo Morales ousted from the lithium-rich nation after a landslide victory last year. Another landslide victory for a previous member of Morales' cabinet named Luis Arce has restored power to the Movement Toward Socialism (MAS) party after a year of rule by the coup regime.

Contrary to what a recent Guardian headline asserts this was not a "stunning comeback" for MAS but a widely anticipated repudiation of the false claims that were spun by western narrative managers that Morales had rigged the election last year in a dictatorial assault upon democracy. Two landslide victories in as many years is neither "stunning" nor a "comeback", it's just the people decisively making their will known two times. (...)
 
R_P:  Imperialism.....   Whether the USA backed the coup or not, did it really make a difference?
 
Not if you're intent on downplaying (how fashionable!) the event, the role of the OAS (incl. Canada's role), and your beloved generals who figured out the right course of action.
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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 - 12:22pm



 R_P wrote:
Bolivia Shows Why Imperialists Work To Keep Populations Propagandized
Bolivia has reversed the US-backed coup which saw its leftist president Evo Morales ousted from the lithium-rich nation after a landslide victory last year. Another landslide victory for a previous member of Morales' cabinet named Luis Arce has restored power to the Movement Toward Socialism (MAS) party after a year of rule by the coup regime.

Contrary to what a recent Guardian headline asserts this was not a "stunning comeback" for MAS but a widely anticipated repudiation of the false claims that were spun by western narrative managers that Morales had rigged the election last year in a dictatorial assault upon democracy. Two landslide victories in as many years is neither "stunning" nor a "comeback", it's just the people decisively making their will known two times. (...)

 
R_P:  Imperialism.....   Whether the USA backed the coup or not, did it really make a difference?   

This is the same old, same old, that we got when a military coup overthrew the Allende government in 1973.    The US backed the coup, just like the US backed the violent purges of suspected left-wing guerrilla in Argentina. 

So what?  What difference did it make?    Do you think there would have been no military coups in Argentina and Chile without US backing?  Strikes me as delusional, wishful thinking.  

I suspect that the author of the article Caitlin Johnstone is a racist or at the very minimum suffers from the prejudice of really, low expectations.  She views Amayara and other indigenous folk  as culturally inferior and incapable of sorting their own affairs.  

Now it is possible that Caitlin Johnstone has no understanding of how Neo-Marxist guided populist movements and governments in poor, developing countries have been complete and utter disasters.  

Or maybe she is intrinsically anti-democratic?    Maybe she is anti-science and anti-expertise just like Trump supporters?
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Posted: Oct 20, 2020 - 8:30am

Bolivia Shows Why Imperialists Work To Keep Populations Propagandized
Bolivia has reversed the US-backed coup which saw its leftist president Evo Morales ousted from the lithium-rich nation after a landslide victory last year. Another landslide victory for a previous member of Morales' cabinet named Luis Arce has restored power to the Movement Toward Socialism (MAS) party after a year of rule by the coup regime.

Contrary to what a recent Guardian headline asserts this was not a "stunning comeback" for MAS but a widely anticipated repudiation of the false claims that were spun by western narrative managers that Morales had rigged the election last year in a dictatorial assault upon democracy. Two landslide victories in as many years is neither "stunning" nor a "comeback", it's just the people decisively making their will known two times. (...)

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Elon Musk as a white South African has lots of experience deploying big boot heels.
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Oops.  

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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 1:00pm

He assimilated rather well...

Bolivia’s Coup Government Just Suspended Elections for the Third Time
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Posted: Jun 8, 2020 - 9:12pm

The NYT Admits Key Falsehoods That Drove Last Year’s Coup in Bolivia: Falsehoods Peddled by the U.S., its Media, and the NYT (Greenwald)
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Posted: Mar 3, 2020 - 2:58pm

Bolivia dismissed its October elections as fraudulent. Our research found no reason to suspect fraud.
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Posted: Dec 18, 2019 - 2:51pm

 westslope wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
Somebody should give Evo Morales citizenship in either the USA or Israel.   His ability to talk around the issues is absolutely outstanding.
 
But not Canada. Same attitude towards the indigenous (despite all the virtuous blathering).
 
What do you mean?  We tolerate corruption in FN communities.  What is the problem?
 
The problem is pointing a finger at others, while excusing  (or ignoring) your own policies. It tends to come (in most of those countries) with victim blaming.
 
Please.........
 
Predictable incredulity
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Posted: Dec 18, 2019 - 2:35pm



 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
Somebody should give Evo Morales citizenship in either the USA or Israel.   His ability to talk around the issues is absolutely outstanding.
 
But not Canada. Same attitude towards the indigenous (despite all the virtuous blathering).
 
What do you mean?  We tolerate corruption in FN communities.  What is the problem?
 
The problem is pointing a finger at others, while excusing  (or ignoring) your own policies. It tends to come (in most of those countries) with victim blaming.
 
Please.........

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Posted: Dec 18, 2019 - 2:06pm

 westslope wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
Somebody should give Evo Morales citizenship in either the USA or Israel.   His ability to talk around the issues is absolutely outstanding.
 
But not Canada. Same attitude towards the indigenous (despite all the virtuous blathering).
 
What do you mean?  We tolerate corruption in FN communities.  What is the problem?
 
The problem is pointing a finger at others, while excusing  (or ignoring) your own policies. It tends to come (in most of those countries) with victim blaming.
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Posted: Dec 18, 2019 - 12:27pm



 R_P wrote:
 westslope wrote:
Somebody should give Evo Morales citizenship in either the USA or Israel.   His ability to talk around the issues is absolutely outstanding.
 
But not Canada. Same attitude towards the indigenous (despite all the virtuous blathering).
 
What do you mean?  We tolerate corruption in FN communities.  What is the problem?

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Posted: Dec 18, 2019 - 11:46am

 westslope wrote:
Somebody should give Evo Morales citizenship in either the USA or Israel.   His ability to talk around the issues is absolutely outstanding.
 
But not Canada. Same attitude towards the indigenous (despite all the virtuous blathering).
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Posted: Dec 18, 2019 - 11:34am

Somebody should give Evo Morales citizenship in either the USA or Israel.   His ability to talk around the issues is absolutely outstanding.
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Posted: Dec 18, 2019 - 11:24am


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Posted: Dec 3, 2019 - 6:21pm

Opinion: O, How Bolivia's Mighty Morales Has Fallen

December 3, 20194:14 PM ET
RAÚL PEÑARANDA, NPR
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