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Posted: Jun 22, 2019 - 9:09am



 Proclivities wrote:

 Alexandra wrote:
This thread title just reminds me of a typical family gathering!
 
 

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Posted: Jun 21, 2019 - 10:58am


 Alexandra wrote:
This thread title just reminds me of a typical family gathering!
 
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Posted: May 24, 2016 - 8:28am

 black321 wrote:

mastering vs. format is probably a legitimate argument.  I've come around to believing most of the Hi Res digital files sound better not because of the resolution, but the different mastering.  And there were mastering issues with a lot of vinyl as well. 
So, for the $, I've found well mastered cd will sound better than vinyl...using similarly priced equipment.  I use both depending on my mood (or location, as the vinyl is in the basement)...most of the time, I find a good CD sounds better, and a good digital file via my laptop, perhaps better. 

 
Yes indeed.  But the problem is is finding that well mastered cd.  To date, the best job that I have heard is Bruce Botnick's most recent efforts on the Doors.  I've only heard LA Woman and some of the songs had things changed, but its a masterpiece.  I haven't got to my Doors vinyl yet to hear the differences, but the difference between the original LAW cd and this remaster is like night and day.  
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Posted: May 24, 2016 - 7:47am

 kurtster wrote:

I've been there and doing a lot of reading on the matter.  My conclusion is its not the media medium, its the way the music is finished for the particular medium or the mastering for the medium.  We would be miles ahead if the industry just used the vinyl masters for CD's instead of trying to reinvent the whole thing.

FWIW  I know I've posted to the point of ad nausea about ripping vinyl but just to offer a taste of the results and how its about the mastering versus the medium here's two downloadable 16/44.1 rips to listen to.  1st British pressings of both albums, DSOTM and Disraeli Gears  Nothing done to them other than the vinyl cleaned really well and the clicks manually removed versus using a program to do the chore.  Not that there were that many after cleaning.  Vinyl is worth the hassle because the results are awesome if everything is right.

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mastering vs. format is probably a legitimate argument.  I've come around to believing most of the Hi Res digital files sound better not because of the resolution, but the different mastering.  And there were mastering issues with a lot of vinyl as well. 
So, for the $, I've found a  well mastered cd will sound better than vinyl...using similarly priced equipment.  I use both depending on my mood (or location, as the vinyl is in the basement)...most of the time, I find a good CD sounds better, and a good digital file via my laptop, perhaps better. 
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Posted: May 24, 2016 - 7:21am

 Beaker wrote:

Bumping this 2012 post of Dave's as I recently came a mention of the site on another discussion forum.

Worth checking out. 

 
I've been there and doing a lot of reading on the matter.  My conclusion is its not the media medium, its the way the music is finished for the particular medium or the mastering for the medium.  We would be miles ahead if the industry just used the vinyl masters for CD's instead of trying to reinvent the whole thing.

FWIW  I know I've posted to the point of ad nausea about ripping vinyl but just to offer a taste of the results and how its about the mastering versus the medium here's two downloadable 16/44.1 rips to listen to.  1st British pressings of both albums, DSOTM and Disraeli Gears  Nothing done to them other than the vinyl cleaned really well and the clicks manually removed versus using a program to do the chore.  Not that there were that many after cleaning.  Vinyl is worth the hassle because the results are awesome if everything is right.

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Posted: May 24, 2016 - 6:00am

 Skydog wrote:

I remember when I got my first cd player and loaded up the disc, hit play and stood back to get the full range of sound from my JBL L-100 Century speakers and the first words out of my mouth was, "this sounds like sh*t!!!!"

 
I remember the other way around. Was normally listening to CD's and then my grandfather showed me his LP collection. Maybe the dynamic range was top notch. I don't know. But I only remember the problems with the player, dirt and scratches on the LP and the fact that you had to turn them every 15 minutes or so.
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Posted: May 24, 2016 - 5:55am

 DaveInVA wrote:

Its amazing that with only a few exceptions the vinyl listings have the highest dynamic range on average, Many even have 20 the max while almost no CD's have a range of 20.

And the consistently worst vinyl dynamic ranges are the group "Feeder"

 
I remember when I got my first cd player and loaded up the disc, hit play and stood back to get the full range of sound from my JBL L-100 Century speakers and the first words out of my mouth was, "this sounds like sh*t!!!!"
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Posted: May 23, 2016 - 7:45am

 Beaker wrote:

Bumping this 2012 post of Dave's as I recently came a mention of the site on another discussion forum.

Worth checking out. 

 
Its amazing that with only a few exceptions the vinyl listings have the highest dynamic range on average, Many even have 20 the max while almost no CD's have a range of 20.

And the consistently worst vinyl dynamic ranges are the group "Feeder"


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Posted: Mar 18, 2015 - 9:36pm

This thread title just reminds me of a typical family gathering!
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Posted: Mar 18, 2015 - 3:29pm

 swell_sailor wrote:
Youtube and the loudness war.

 
Interesting and sadly not surprising.  Makes me happier to know that most of my CD's are ancient, before they started to re engineer the sound.  So much for ripping music from Youtube anymore ...

Great website btw.   Good info for doing my own stuff and it confirmed a lot of what I have been doing.  Thanks hippie, ya old fart !  Bookmarked it for future reference.
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Posted: Mar 17, 2015 - 12:19pm

Youtube and the loudness war.
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Posted: Aug 1, 2012 - 7:35am

What? Huh?
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Posted: Aug 1, 2012 - 7:24am

Here is a nice database that lists many albums dynamic ranges for those of you like me that don't like buying music with all the life squeezed out of it:

Dynamic Range Database