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Posted: Aug 20, 2019 - 11:11pm



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“Trump is a vile white supremacist,” the author and activist Josh Ruebner tweeted. “But every organization, politician (including Dems), and talking head who decided it was a good idea to weaponize anti-semitism by conflating advocacy for Palestinian rights with hatred of Jewish people owns a tiny little piece of his comments.”


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Posted: Aug 20, 2019 - 5:18pm

Trump Accuses Most American Jews of “Disloyalty” to Israel, Deploying Anti-Semitic Trope
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Posted: Aug 19, 2019 - 2:19pm



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 westslope wrote:


  

OK.  If I understand correctly, you know little of the JVP but you somehow 'know' that they are self-hating Jews?   

I am having trouble following.  
 




No something i know or believe.  Rather,  I was referring to how the "right" might reply to a story about Tlaib getting Jewish support.

 

My misunderstanding then.  
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Posted: Aug 19, 2019 - 1:45pm



 westslope wrote:


  

OK.  If I understand correctly, you know little of the JVP but you somehow 'know' that they are self-hating Jews?   

I am having trouble following.  
 




No something i know or believe.  Rather,  I was referring to how the "right" might reply to a story about Tlaib getting Jewish support.

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Posted: Aug 19, 2019 - 11:27am



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So much for being a democracy...
Israel's Culture Minister: God, Not the People, Chooses the Prime Minister
On the program, the interviewer said to Regev, who belongs to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party, that Yisrael Beiteinu Chairman Avigdor Lieberman will be the kingmaker in Israel's upcoming do-over election in September. Regev responded, "First of all, he doesn't have all the cards in his hand. He who decides who will be the next prime minister is the Holy One. I still don't know that it's people who choose who the next prime minister will be."

 
Funny.  I can remember being ~12 years old and reading descriptions of Israel as a theocracy.   One of the world's few theocracies at the time.  

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Posted: Aug 19, 2019 - 11:25am



 black321 wrote:


 westslope wrote:



By all means elaborate black321.  Tell us more about that group's questionable background.    Detroit Jews for Justice


 

Dont know who Detroit Jews For Justice are...was referring to JVP mentioned in the article.  I dont know much about JVP, other than they hardly get much support from the broader Jewish community. 
 

OK.  If I understand correctly, you know little of the JVP but you somehow 'know' that they are self-hating Jews?   

I am having trouble following.  
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Posted: Aug 19, 2019 - 10:23am

So much for being a democracy...
Israel's Culture Minister: God, Not the People, Chooses the Prime Minister
On the program, the interviewer said to Regev, who belongs to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party, that Yisrael Beiteinu Chairman Avigdor Lieberman will be the kingmaker in Israel's upcoming do-over election in September. Regev responded, "First of all, he doesn't have all the cards in his hand. He who decides who will be the next prime minister is the Holy One. I still don't know that it's people who choose who the next prime minister will be."

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Posted: Aug 19, 2019 - 10:08am



 westslope wrote:



By all means elaborate black321.  Tell us more about that group's questionable background.    Detroit Jews for Justice


 

Dont know who Detroit Jews For Justice are...was referring to JVP mentioned in the article.  I dont know much about JVP, other than they hardly get much support from the broader Jewish community. 
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Posted: Aug 19, 2019 - 9:48am



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... (see post below)

Not particularly convincing given that group's questionable background...right will counter with something like...sure support of self hating jews.  

 

By all means elaborate black321.  Tell us more about that group's questionable background.    Detroit Jews for Justice

Self-hating Jews.  I had forgotten about that one.  It fits nicely with Bad Jews, Soft Jews, SHIT Jews.    It fits nicely into the 'us versus them' discourse of so many patriots.
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Posted: Aug 19, 2019 - 9:00am



 westslope wrote:
https://www.detroitnews.com/st...



Reuben Telushkin, right, organizer of JVP Action, stands in solidarity with Rashida Tlaib, left, saying she was restricted on traveling based on her freedom of speech. Tlaib thanked her constituents and allies that came to support her after she was blocked from visiting the West Bank and seeing her grandmother. (Photo: Sarah Rahal, The Detroit News)


JVP Action (Jewish Vote for Peace), a liberal nonprofit, led the event where about 60 people held candles, joined together in songs and rituals with Tlaib near her district office at Pallister Park on Friday, Aug. 16, 2019. (Photo: Sarah Rahal)



 
Not particularly convincing given that group's questionable background...right will counter with something like...sure support of self hating jews.  

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Posted: Aug 18, 2019 - 8:36am

https://www.detroitnews.com/st...


U.S. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib (R) stands with Detroit Jews for Justice member Raya Samet during a ‘Shabbat in the Park’ in... REBECCA COOK August 16, 2019 08:07pm EDT

From the NYT:   The controversy inflamed the politics of both countries and divided American Jews. Above, some of Ms. Tlaib’s Jewish constituents rallied for her in Detroit on Friday.




Reuben Telushkin, right, organizer of JVP Action, stands in solidarity with Rashida Tlaib, left, saying she was restricted on traveling based on her freedom of speech. Tlaib thanked her constituents and allies that came to support her after she was blocked from visiting the West Bank and seeing her grandmother. (Photo: Sarah Rahal, The Detroit News)


JVP Action (Jewish Vote for Peace), a liberal nonprofit, led the event where about 60 people held candles, joined together in songs and rituals with Tlaib near her district office at Pallister Park on Friday, Aug. 16, 2019. (Photo: Sarah Rahal)



Tlaib gets support from Jewish group at Detroit event


Sarah Rahal, The Detroit News Published 7:47 p.m. ET Aug. 16, 2019 | Updated 10:16 a.m. ET Aug. 17, 2019






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Posted: Aug 18, 2019 - 7:28am

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Neither of the women actually said those things but that hasn't stopped several right-wing fringe sites from reposting that article as "news".

The Babylon Bee is a news satire website that publishes articles on Christian living, the church, politics, current events, and well-known public figures. With intentional irony, the site describes itself as "the world’s best satire site, totally inerrant in all its truth claims."
 

oh they have seduced the left, the right and most famously snopes ( i think like 35 times/articles)

their tagline for email updates is fake news you can trust   {#Lol}

they've got some funny stuff on their site

satire is making sort of a comeback

the onion, borowitz report, the hummus, etc.

i recommend all of those in an effort to get a laugh/smile

here's good interview/podcast 

Christian Satire Site The Babylon Bee Is So Good Snopes.com Treated It Like Real News

Editor in Chief Kyle Mann talks about being taken literally by fact checkers, whether any subject (even a mass shooting) is off limits, and the libertarian sensibility of his humor.

In 2016, the website The Babylon Bee appeared as "Your Trusted Source for Christian News Satire." If you're not a believer, that may strike you as a dubious proposition, but The Babylon Bee absolutely delivers the goods when it comes to comedy, regularly skewering liberals, conservatives, and Christians as a sort of theologically sophisticated version of The Onion.

Recent headlines include "Trump Is Being Influenced by The Russians, Screams Communist!" and "Woke Polar Bear Apologizes for Being White." Classics include "Trump Proves He's Not A Racist By Showing His Rejection Letter From The KKK" and "Local Christian Would Do Anything For Jesus Except Believe Things That Are Unpopular."


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Posted: Aug 18, 2019 - 5:27am



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Women Who Don't Believe Israel Has Right To Exist Not Sure Why They Got Banned From Israel
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar reported Thursday they were bewildered that they got banned from Israel, a country they seem to believe shouldn't exist at all...

 
Neither of the women actually said those things but that hasn't stopped several right-wing fringe sites from reposting that article as "news".

The Babylon Bee is a news satire website that publishes articles on Christian living, the church, politics, current events, and well-known public figures. With intentional irony, the site describes itself as "the world’s best satire site, totally inerrant in all its truth claims."

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Posted: Aug 17, 2019 - 3:16pm

Women Who Don't Believe Israel Has Right To Exist Not Sure Why They Got Banned From Israel

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar reported Thursday they were bewildered that they got banned from Israel, a country they seem to believe shouldn't exist at all. 

"It's racism," said Omar in a press conference. "It's all due to racism. Well, that and a Jewish conspiracy. The Jews are behind this, for sure." (The evidence indicates she's correct on this assertion, a first for her accusations against Jews).

Tlaib agreed, saying she wanted to ask Jews about the Holocaust so she could relax and get a "calming feeling" while she was there.

"It just doesn't make much sense for this country that shouldn't even exist to ban us," she said. "What have we ever said against them, besides suggesting they are terrorists who deserve to be pushed into the sea?"

The women said they now had to change their vacation plans from hanging out with people they hate in a country they hate to somewhere less "Jewy."

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Posted: Aug 17, 2019 - 2:59pm

 Look.  I am not a social anarchist though I have organized major events with them and I do sympathize with the emphasis on hierarchy.    If we followed some of Professor Chomsky's ideas, global free market capitalism would benefit.  The world would be more peaceful and prosperous.  I don't agree with some of Chomsky's analysis and views but I never knew that Chomsky was such an awful person.   

Should we get  together a bunch of patriotic 'good guy' Neo-Zionists, round up all the SHIT Jews in the USA and put them in a concentration camp?    Should we include any and all Americans of Jewish background who display independent thinking?   -westslope

Wednesday, January 22, 2014


Noam Chomsky: A Jewish Anti-Semite (S.H.I.T Jew)

S.H.I.T - Self Hater Israel Threatening
Noam Chomsky is one of the most violent-thinking anti-Semites around today. He speaks at college campuses throughout the world and spreads anti-Semitic messages to students. The hardest thing about combating Chomsky’s messages is that he is Jewish, and he denies his messages are rooted in anti-Semitism, even when he stands up for Holocaust deniers, supports terrorism, and praises genocides.
See below for examples of Chomsky's hate speech and different organizations countering his messages, followed by questions students should ask him when he speaks on campus:
- Nativ Online published an article that outlines Chomsky’s beliefs and explains how Chomsky’s ideas are rooted in anti-Semitism, hypocrisy, and lies.
Here are some examples, the article notes, of what Chomsky says and does that show how he is anti-Semitic and hate-filled:
- Chomsky rejects the idea of a Jewish state and wants the destruction of Israel. He believes Jews do not deserve a homeland, while every other ethnic/religious group in the world does. He believes that Arabs should be able to settle in Israel at will, but Jews should not be able to settle in Arab countries (keep in mind that more than 800,000 Jews were kicked out of Arab countries in 1948).
- Chomsky called the Yugoslavian revolution in the 1990s that included a genocide of tens of thousands of people a “successful social revolution.” This is pure hate speech.
- Chomsky sponsored a party in Israel (Matzpen) that advocates for terrorism. Matzpen partnered with a terrorist group that carried out an attack on an elementary school that killed 22 children.
- Chomsky calls the PLO the “heroes” of the 1982 Lebanon War. Meanwhile, the PLO raped and killed tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians before Israel kicked them out of Lebanon (http://www.acpr.org.il/ENGLISH... read the article for details, although the details are very graphic).
- This video talks about an instance where Chomsky defended a Holocaust denier SaveFrom.net. Robert Faurisson (a French professor) published a book denying the Holocaust; Faurisson was then convicted of inciting hate and was kicked out of his university. Chomsky signed a petition that declared Faurisson a “respected professor of literature who merely tried to make his findings public.” Saying this about a man who devotes his career to denying the Holocaust is simply anti-Semitic.
Watch the full video to learn more about this case.
- Werner Cohen, professor emeritus at the University of British Columbia, writes about how Chomsky compares the United States’ “war crimes” to the Nazis. Chomsky exhibits pure hate speech here, as the two are complete opposites and he is unable to back up his claims with any reputable sources. Cohen then discusses Chomsky’s connections to neo-Nazis in Europe and how Chomsky has stood up for Holocaust deniers.
Embarrassing questions to ask Chomsky while he is on campus:
1) Many years ago, you signed a petition that referred to Robert Faurisson (a Holocaust denier) as a “respected professor of literature who merely tried to make his findings public.” Would you sign that same petition today if you had the chance to do so?
2) You seem to blame most of the problems in the world on either the United States or Israel, which is exactly what al-Qaida and Iran do. Do you hold other views that are similar to those of al-Qaida and Iran?
3) You have in the past compared the United States to Nazi Germany. Can you explain how the two are alike?
4) The PLO raped, tortured, and murdered innocent civilians in Lebanon for years before the 1982 Lebanon War. Estimates put the death toll of civilians at the hands of the PLO at 100,000, with 250,000 wounded. You referred to the PLO as “heroes” in Lebanon; why do you consider them heroes?
5) In the past, you referred to the Yugoslavian revolution in the 1990s that resulted in a genocide of tens of thousands of people as a “successful social revolution.” What makes this genocide a “successful social revolution”?
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Posted: Aug 16, 2019 - 12:54pm



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Omar sponsored the pro BDS Bill in Congress.  Tlaib was a cosponsor  A boycott designed to cause harm and hopefully eliminate Israel's existence. 

Not only that but they are also clearly anti Semitic.  One goes hand in hand with the other, eh ? 

Omar introduces resolution affirming 'right to participate in boycotts' ahead of possible vote on anti-BDS bill.
 
Anti-Semitic?  You mean anti-Jewish, correct?     You are not trying say to anti-Arab, are you?    Do you view Arabs as sub-human?  

I strongly doubt that Tlaib is anti-Jewish.   I would fully expect her to communicate and sometimes collaborate with Jewish Peace activists, both American and Israeli.     I would imagine she has extensively read Bad Jews like Noam Chomsky.    Many of the best informed critics of the Israeli ethnic-cleansing campaign are......   Jewish.  

Incidentally, kurtster, do you approve of delivering death threats to 'Bad Jews'?  Have you ever done that?

As for the BDS campaign.    Reverse the illegal annexation of Jerusalem, stop the flow of illegal settlers, and do something about the Hilltop Youths because you really want to avoid being labelled as brown-shirted thugs.  It is not good political marketing.   Just a friendly hint there. 

Do all these things, seriously undertake 2-state negotiations and the BDS campaign will grind to a halt.


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Posted: Aug 16, 2019 - 10:56am

By Barring Omar and Tlaib, Netanyahu Did BDS a Huge Favor
For hours on Thursday, the number-one trending topic on U.S. Twitter was Israel; the most prominent hashtag, “#BoycottIsrael.” This is extraordinary. As a digital journalist who has written on Israel-Palestine from time to time over the past five years, I can tell you that coverage of the conflict typically attracts relatively limited reader interest in this country. It takes a strong, U.S.-centric news hook to compel American news consumers to pay events overseas much mind. Together, Trump and Netanyahu provided BDS supporters a hook so juicy, the latter’s preferred topic has become a major social-media conversation.

The Whole World Now Witnessed Trump and Netanyahu’s Racist, Annexationist Synergy
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Posted: Aug 16, 2019 - 7:42am



 kurtster wrote:

To call the BDS a consumer boycott is disingenuous at best.  The goal is to bring down the Israeli government.

It is no different than the isolation of South Africa in regards to Apartheid.
 

From 
BDS

The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law.




It is OK Kurtster, I understand your need to conflate and lie and make up things.  Been watching and listening to anti-Semitic, anti-democratic, pro-Jewish, ethnic-cleansing terrorist supporters do that for over half a century. 

I watched it poison American politics.    It is interesting to ponder how Israel's territorial ambitions will be a major contributor to the decline of American hegemony and all the privileges and efficiencies that went with that.   

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Posted: Aug 16, 2019 - 5:32am

Well it looks like Tlaib will get in to visit her 90 yo grandmother who lives in the West Bank.  Tlaib petitioned the Israeli government to let her in promising that she would not promote BDS during her visit.  Cooler heads have prevailed.
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