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Posted: Jul 18, 2019 - 9:26am

Imperial Borders and Mythical Frontiers
The Cruel Truth of Immigration and American Empire
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Posted: Jul 14, 2019 - 10:52pm



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
and then there is this plonker 
In reply, Daniel Lawes, the founder and chief executive of YouthPolitics UK, tweeted: “Captained by an immigrant, batting led by an immigrant, fastest bowler an immigrant, leading all-rounder an immigrant, main spinner son of an immigrant.”


 Yeah, they can do without all those great French and German cricketers. 


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Posted: Jul 14, 2019 - 10:44pm

and then there is this plonker 
In reply, Daniel Lawes, the founder and chief executive of YouthPolitics UK, tweeted: “Captained by an immigrant, batting led by an immigrant, fastest bowler an immigrant, leading all-rounder an immigrant, main spinner son of an immigrant.”
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Posted: Jul 14, 2019 - 11:29am

peruse and persuade

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Posted: Jul 13, 2019 - 5:09pm



 miamizsun wrote:


several decades ago i took spanish classes at night

teacher made us watch it for extra credit


 
Made me cry

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Posted: Jul 13, 2019 - 3:08pm



several decades ago i took spanish classes at night

teacher made us watch it for extra credit


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Posted: Jul 8, 2019 - 7:59pm

U.N. human rights chief ‘deeply shocked’ by migrant detention center conditions in Texas
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Posted: Jul 3, 2019 - 12:09pm



 kurtster wrote:

Nice attempt at projection.  Where did I say that it was acceptable or even came close to saying that ?

I was pointing out how people complain about a problem and then go and obstruct ways to solve the problem.  AKA blatant phony virtue signaling.

How about I say that you think this is ok if it means congress will declare the borders open, correct me if I'm wrong ...  the ends justify the means, eh ?

The vast majority of the Democratic presidential candidates are calling for open borders and some are even for eliminating all the penalties for entering illegally. 
And while simultaneously serving in their current elected offices, they block all legislative efforts to improve conditions when they have the ability to do so.

Right now there is only one person actively working to solve this problem.  Trump.  Everyone else is working to exacerbate this problem in such a way as to force the realization of open borders.  The Democratic Party is working hard to keep things miserable in these detention centers to further the demand for open borders.  In the last piece of related legislation, the D's cut back on the amount of allocated bed space requested by Trump.  If they were really interested in the conditions of the detainees, they would have increased the amount of bed spaces, not reduced it.

Then again, whose fault is it that the amount of people trying to come in illegally exceeds the government's capacity to effectively deal with it ?  Who built these cages anyway ?  First guess doesn't count, but they were already built when Trump came into office ...  Tell you what, I'll help you out ... it was Obama and the Democrats who built these cages and the concentration camps of which they are a part of ...  It is the policies left behind by the same people that Trump is trying to work within.

It is so easy to blame the last guy to drive the car with 300,000 miles on it for wrecking it when the steering wheel falls off in his hands ...


 

Let's separate this into two problems

1) The part you are fixated on: border security

Bold 1 is total bs. the democratic candidates are not calling for open borders. Period. You are being had if you believe this.  And no I don't think it ok if congress declares the borders open. Overall, I support the border policy that existed before Trump took office. There may be some exceptions, but overall it had the right balance of controls and humanity. No ends justifying no means.

2) The conditions in the camps:

I have seen no evidence that Obama really built the cages but it is neither here nor there to me. The conditions now are the responsibility of the administration now. And that Trump finds it acceptable to keep people in those conditions is evil. Previously refugees were processed and not kept forever in custody. Do I need to remind you that it is legal to seek refugee status in the US? The buck stops with Trump. If he can't keep people in humane conditions, yes he should release them to the community. He created the current problem of inhumane conditions. He has the ability to fix the problem, he has the responsibility to fix the problem. He is not allowing congressional visits or any other oversight into the conditions. He is not seeking to solve the problem; he is making the problem vastly worse. He is destroying children by keeping them in traumatic facilities and arguing they don't really need things like toothpaste. And you are willing to make excuses and try to divert away from dealing with this fundamental issue that people should not be held this way.

As I said, maybe you say it is unacceptable but you aren't exactly trying to hold your guy's feet to the fire to fix these unacceptable conditions. He's the one in office, it is him and his people who have the ability to make things better. They are not doing that and in fact are putting in policies that make it worse. I believe they are doing so intentionally.
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Posted: Jul 3, 2019 - 12:08pm

kurtster wrote:
Nice attempt at projection.  Where did I say that it was acceptable or even came close to saying that ?

I was pointing out how people complain about a problem and then go and obstruct ways to solve the problem.  AKA blatant phony virtue signaling.

How about I say that you think this is ok if it means congress will declare the borders open, correct me if I'm wrong ...  the ends justify the means, eh ?

The vast majority of the Democratic presidential candidates are calling for open borders and some are even for eliminating all the penalties for entering illegally.  And while simultaneously serving in their current elected offices, they block all legislative efforts to improve conditions when they have the ability to do so.

Right now there is only one person actively working to solve this problem.  Trump.  Everyone else is working to exacerbate this problem in such a way as to force the realization of open borders.  The Democratic Party is working hard to keep things miserable in these detention centers to further the demand for open borders.  In the last piece of related legislation, the D's cut back on the amount of allocated bed space requested by Trump.  If they were really interested in the conditions of the detainees, they would have increased the amount of bed spaces, not reduced it.

Then again, whose fault is it that the amount of people trying to come in illegally exceeds the government's capacity to effectively deal with it ?  Who built these cages anyway ?  First guess doesn't count, but they were already built when Trump came into office ...  Tell you what, I'll help you out ... it was Obama and the Democrats who built these cages and the concentration camps of which they are a part of ...  It is the policies left behind by the same people that Trump is trying to work within.

It is so easy to blame the last guy to drive the car with 300,000 miles on it for wrecking it when the steering wheel falls off in his hands ...

Your point about obstructing solutions to a problem and complaining about the problem getting worse is well taken. That should always be condemned.  Note that when it comes to immigration you are throwing stones in a glass cage.

When you've driven the car into the ditch because you don't know how to drive or what the pedals do, and did it leaning out the window screaming at the ditch to get out of the way it doesn't make any difference how many miles it has on it or who put them there.

If you've spent your career blaming the mechanics and blockading the garage you don't get to complain that the oil hasn't been changed.
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Posted: Jul 3, 2019 - 11:18am

 haresfur wrote:


 
Nice
Shitty attempt at deflection Kurt. 

The point is fix the effin problem of the government treating people worse than animals.  That you find it acceptable is abhorrent to me. Just wring your hands and point to someone who's solution or actions you don't like as an excuse to say it is ok for the US to continue to continue its child abuse and adult abuse.

Maybe you think the hypothetical wall will solve everything. But in this case it doesn't matter. There are people who are being kept in horrendous conditions here and now. Wall won't fix that.

You appear to think this is ok if it means congress will fund the wall, correct me if I'm wrong.

But it is not ok. It is not ok for any reason to treat people this way.

The thing is that you know it is happening and don't even have the ability to come out and say it is wrong,

much less do anything like even tell the government that you want them to fix it. And they could fix it in a flash.
 
Nice attempt at projection.  Where did I say that it was acceptable or even came close to saying that ?

I was pointing out how people complain about a problem and then go and obstruct ways to solve the problem.  AKA blatant phony virtue signaling.

How about I say that you think this is ok if it means congress will declare the borders open, correct me if I'm wrong ...  the ends justify the means, eh ?

The vast majority of the Democratic presidential candidates are calling for open borders and some are even for eliminating all the penalties for entering illegally.  And while simultaneously serving in their current elected offices, they block all legislative efforts to improve conditions when they have the ability to do so.

Right now there is only one person actively working to solve this problem.  Trump.  Everyone else is working to exacerbate this problem in such a way as to force the realization of open borders.  The Democratic Party is working hard to keep things miserable in these detention centers to further the demand for open borders.  In the last piece of related legislation, the D's cut back on the amount of allocated bed space requested by Trump.  If they were really interested in the conditions of the detainees, they would have increased the amount of bed spaces, not reduced it.

Then again, whose fault is it that the amount of people trying to come in illegally exceeds the government's capacity to effectively deal with it ?  Who built these cages anyway ?  First guess doesn't count, but they were already built when Trump came into office ...  Tell you what, I'll help you out ... it was Obama and the Democrats who built these cages and the concentration camps of which they are a part of ...  It is the policies left behind by the same people that Trump is trying to work within.

It is so easy to blame the last guy to drive the car with 300,000 miles on it for wrecking it when the steering wheel falls off in his hands ...


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Posted: Jul 3, 2019 - 9:18am



 kurtster wrote:

and the point is ?  what ? 

other than duh, we seem to have a problem ...

So then, we throw our hands up in the air and exclaim,
open borders, it is beyond our control now, just let 'em in !  

Y'all protest deplorable conditions yet those who protest the conditions protest the company that they work for, for selling furniture to the agencies that would directly improve the conditions that they are protesting in the first place.

Extreme virtue signaling on display, yet still part of the problem, blocking the solution ...

Wayfair walkout

Wayfair, the online furniture seller, came under fire this week from its employees for selling goods to a contractor that supplied a migrant detention center.

Hundreds of Wayfair workers protested the company's actions Wednesday in Boston's Copley Square after CEO Niraj Shah dismissed calls to refuse to do business with contractors of border detention camps along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“We don’t want our company to profit off of children being in concentration camps,” said Madeline Howard, 29, a project manager at Wayfair, during the rally. "We want them to have a code of ethics that blocks orders like this from happening again."


 
Nice
Shitty attempt at deflection Kurt. 

The point is fix the effin problem of the government treating people worse than animals.  That you find it acceptable is abhorrent to me. Just wring your hands and point to someone who's solution or actions you don't like as an excuse to say it is ok for the US to continue to continue its child abuse and adult abuse.

Maybe you think the hypothetical wall will solve everything. But in this case it doesn't matter. There are people who are being kept in horrendous conditions here and now. Wall won't fix that. You appear to think this is ok if it means congress will fund the wall, correct me if I'm wrong. But it is not ok. It is not ok for any reason to treat people this way. The thing is that you know it is happening and don't even have the ability to come out and say it is wrong, much less do anything like even tell the government that you want them to fix it. And they could fix it in a flash.

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Posted: Jul 3, 2019 - 8:20am

 kurtster wrote:

and the point is ?  what ? 

other than duh, we seem to have a problem ...
 
Glad you are acknowledging that CPB is mismanaged and grossly negligent in its obligations towards the humans in its custody. Trump's swamp creatures are definitely inept.

A fish rots from the head back.
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Posted: Jul 2, 2019 - 10:44pm

 kcar wrote:
... 
The facilities were built for the short-term stay of adults expected to be quickly deported. Central American children, who under immigration law cannot be immediately deported back to their origin country, are supposed to be moved to facilities managed by the Department of Health and Human Services within 72 hours. Single adults are supposed to be moved to facilities built for longer-term detention managed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.


 
and the point is ?  what ? 

other than duh, we seem to have a problem ...

So then, we throw our hands up in the air and exclaim, open borders, it is beyond our control now, just let 'em in !  

Y'all protest deplorable conditions yet those who protest the conditions protest the company that they work for, for selling furniture to the agencies that would directly improve the conditions that they are protesting in the first place.

Extreme virtue signaling on display, yet still part of the problem, blocking the solution ...

Wayfair walkout

Wayfair, the online furniture seller, came under fire this week from its employees for selling goods to a contractor that supplied a migrant detention center.

Hundreds of Wayfair workers protested the company's actions Wednesday in Boston's Copley Square after CEO Niraj Shah dismissed calls to refuse to do business with contractors of border detention camps along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“We don’t want our company to profit off of children being in concentration camps,” said Madeline Howard, 29, a project manager at Wayfair, during the rally. "We want them to have a code of ethics that blocks orders like this from happening again."


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Posted: Jul 2, 2019 - 8:20pm

 
 
 
 
 
 
WASHINGTON — Overcrowded, squalid conditions are more widespread at migrant centers along the southern border than initially revealed, the Department of Homeland Security’s independent watchdog said Tuesday. Its report describes standing-room-only cells, children without showers and hot meals, and detainees clamoring desperately for release.

...


In June, inspectors from the department visited five facilities in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas, and found children had few spare clothes and no laundry facilities. Many migrants were given only wet wipes to clean themselves and bologna sandwiches to eat, causing constipation and other health problems, according to the report. Children at two of the five facilities in the area were not given hot meals until inspectors arrived.
 
 
...
 
 
According to the report, details of which were first reported by BuzzFeed News, 826 of the 2,669 children detained at the facilities were held longer than 72 hours, in violation of a federal court settlement and Customs and Border Protection policy. Senior managers raised security concerns at the facilities, calling the situation “a ticking time bomb,” according to the report. Images published in the report show crowds of migrants packed into cells pressing their hands onto the windows. One migrant held a cardboard sign up reading, “Help.”
 
 
...


“At one facility, some single adults were held in standing-room-only conditions for a week, and at another, some single adults were held more than a month in overcrowded cells,” according to the report, which built off an initial inquiry by the inspector general in May that described similar conditions in facilities in El Paso.


...

 
 
The facilities were built for the short-term stay of adults expected to be quickly deported. Central American children, who under immigration law cannot be immediately deported back to their origin country, are supposed to be moved to facilities managed by the Department of Health and Human Services within 72 hours. Single adults are supposed to be moved to facilities built for longer-term detention managed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

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Posted: Jul 2, 2019 - 10:57am

Salvadoran President on Death of Drowned Father and Daughter: ‘It Is Our Fault’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/salvadoran-president-death-drowned-father-182757738.html

 

 

"People don’t flee their homes because they want to, people flee their homes because they feel they have to,” Bukele told the BBC in an interview published Monday. “Why? Because they don’t have a job, because they are being threatened by gangs, because they don’t have basic things like water, education, health.”

“We can blame any other country but what about our blame? What country did they flee? Did they flee the United States? They fled El Salvador, they fled our country. It is our fault,” he added.

Nearly 500,000 illegal immigrants have been apprehended at the border this year, overwhelming Border Patrol and Department of Health and Human Services resources. The influx has led to rapidly deteriorating conditions within holding facilities, many of which are now holding four to five times as many migrants as they were designed to.

Bukele decried the conditions in U.S. holding facilities and the policies that helped to create them during the interview, but said that blame for the situation ultimately rests with those countries that cannot offer more opportunity to their citizens.

“I think migration is a right, but it should be an option, not an obligation,” he said. “And right now it’s an obligation for a lot of people.”

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted: Jul 1, 2019 - 7:38pm

Border Patrol Agents not showing their best side...
 
 
 
 

 
 
 

Congressional Democrats on Monday condemned postings made in a secret Facebook group for U.S. Border Patrol agents that targeted migrants and some prominent lawmakers with attacks that the chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus called “vulgar, disgusting and vile.”

The posts sparked special outrage among a delegation of more than a dozen House members who had just started a tour of federal immigration facilities in Southwest Texas when ProPublica broke the story.

Some of the Facebook posts discussed throwing burritos at the visiting lawmakers, while others joked in profane language about the deaths of migrants and included a vulgar illustration of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) being forced to engage in a sexual act by President Trump, according to images of the posts obtained by ProPublica.


...

 

Border Patrol Chief Carla Provost, who responded to the ProPublica report, described the online group as “completely inappropriate and contrary to the honor and integrity I see — and expect — from our agents day in and day out” and she vowed to hold accountable any employee found to have violated the agency’s rules of conduct.

A separate statement from Customs and Border Protection, the patrol’s parent agency, said the inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security would conduct an independent investigation.

 

 

The ProPublica piece has more information. Warning: this piece has an edited photograph that is NSFW.


 

In one exchange, group members responded with indifference and wisecracks to the post of a news story about a 16-year-old Guatemalan migrant who died in May while in custody at a Border Patrol station in Weslaco, Texas. One member posted a GIF of Elmo with the quote, “Oh well.” Another responded with an image and the words “If he dies, he dies.”

Created in August 2016, the Facebook group is called “I’m 10-15” and boasts roughly 9,500 members from across the country. (10-15 is Border Patrol code for “aliens in custody.”) The group described itself, in an online introduction, as a forum for “funny” and “serious” discussion about work with the patrol. “Remember you are never alone in this family,” the introduction said.


...

 

The Border Patrol Facebook group is the most recent example of some law enforcement personnel behaving badly in public and private digital spaces. An investigation by Reveal uncovered hundreds of active-duty and retired law enforcement officers who moved in extremist Facebook circles, including white supremacist and anti-government groups. A team of researchers calling themselves the Plain View Project recently released a hefty database of offensive Facebook posts made by current and ex-law enforcement officers.

And in early 2018, federal investigators found a raft of disturbing and racist text messages sent by Border Patrol agents in southern Arizona after searching the phone of Matthew Bowen, an agent charged with running down a Guatemalan migrant with a Ford F-150 pickup truck. The texts, which were revealed in a court filing in federal court in Tucson, described migrants as “guats,” “wild ass s***tbags,” “beaners” and “subhuman.” The messages included repeated discussions about burning the migrants up.

 

...

 

Members of the Border Patrol Facebook group were not enthused about the tour, noting that Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat from Queens, had compared Border Patrol facilities to Nazi concentration camps. Escobar is a freshman Democrat representing El Paso.

One member encouraged Border Patrol agents to hurl a “burrito at these bitches.” Another, apparently a patrol supervisor, wrote, “Fuck the hoes.” “There should be no photo ops for these scum buckets,” posted a third member.

Perhaps the most disturbing posts target Ocasio-Cortez. One includes a photo illustration of her engaged in oral sex at an immigrant detention center. Text accompanying the image reads, “Lucky Illegal Immigrant Glory Hole Special Starring AOC.”

Another is a photo illustration of a smiling President Donald Trump forcing Ocasio-Cortez’s head toward his crotch. The agent who posted the image commented: “That’s right bitches. The masses have spoken and today democracy won.”

 



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 Lazy8 wrote:

Why a Government Lawyer Argued Against Giving Immigrant Kids Toothbrushes

The sheer effrontery of the government’s argument may be explained, but not excused, by its long backstory.
Ken White, Attorney and former federal prosecutor

The United States’s loathsome argument—that it is “safe and sanitary” to confine children without soap, toothbrushes, dry clothes, and on concrete under bright lights—is morally indefensible. It’s also a spectacularly foolish argument to raise in the famously liberal Ninth Circuit, where the United States should have expected exactly the reception that it got. And even though the litigation began under the Obama administration, it was the Trump administration that elected to bring this appeal and ask the court to bless these inhumane conditions as “safe and sanitary.” That’s an extremely aggressive legal argument, and one that suggests that the disturbing conditions being reported at confinement centers are intentional, not a sign of mere neglect.

It is right and fit to condemn the Trump administration for its argument and its treatment of children. But it’s wrong to think the problem can be cured with a presidential election. Trump will depart; the problem will not depart with him. This administration is merely the latest one to subject immigrant children to abusive conditions. It’s been 35 years since Jenny Flores was strip searched in an adult facility. Before Sarah Fabian defended concrete floors and bright lights for President Trump, she defended putting kids in solitary confinement for President Obama.

The fault lies not with any one administration or politician, but with the culture: the ICE and CBP culture that encourages the abuse, the culture of the legal apologists who defend it, and our culture—a largely indifferent America that hasn’t done a damn thing about it. This stain on America’s soul will not wash out with an election cycle. It will only change when Americans demand that the government treat the least of us as both the law and our values require—and firmly maintain that demand no matter how we feel about the party in power.

 
All hail the bogeymen and their giant jars of salve...

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Posted: Jun 23, 2019 - 8:34am

Why a Government Lawyer Argued Against Giving Immigrant Kids Toothbrushes

The sheer effrontery of the government’s argument may be explained, but not excused, by its long backstory.
Ken White, Attorney and former federal prosecutor

The United States’s loathsome argument—that it is “safe and sanitary” to confine children without soap, toothbrushes, dry clothes, and on concrete under bright lights—is morally indefensible. It’s also a spectacularly foolish argument to raise in the famously liberal Ninth Circuit, where the United States should have expected exactly the reception that it got. And even though the litigation began under the Obama administration, it was the Trump administration that elected to bring this appeal and ask the court to bless these inhumane conditions as “safe and sanitary.” That’s an extremely aggressive legal argument, and one that suggests that the disturbing conditions being reported at confinement centers are intentional, not a sign of mere neglect.

It is right and fit to condemn the Trump administration for its argument and its treatment of children. But it’s wrong to think the problem can be cured with a presidential election. Trump will depart; the problem will not depart with him. This administration is merely the latest one to subject immigrant children to abusive conditions. It’s been 35 years since Jenny Flores was strip searched in an adult facility. Before Sarah Fabian defended concrete floors and bright lights for President Trump, she defended putting kids in solitary confinement for President Obama.

The fault lies not with any one administration or politician, but with the culture: the ICE and CBP culture that encourages the abuse, the culture of the legal apologists who defend it, and our culture—a largely indifferent America that hasn’t done a damn thing about it. This stain on America’s soul will not wash out with an election cycle. It will only change when Americans demand that the government treat the least of us as both the law and our values require—and firmly maintain that demand no matter how we feel about the party in power.

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Posted: Jun 22, 2019 - 1:48pm

History repeating itself, I just read the stories of the HORRIBLE deaths 24,000 children whose conditions were ignored by the English Government during the Second Boer War, 1900 

Trump Administration Lawyer Argues Detained Migrant Children Don't Need Soap in Echo of British Concentration Camps

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