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Posted: Aug 5, 2019 - 3:03pm



 sirdroseph wrote:

Then did it?
 

Nope. It was still mistaken...
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Posted: Aug 5, 2019 - 5:35am

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um, wait ...
they kinda did but we didn't learn anything from the mistaken belief that it mattered...
 
Then did it?
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Posted: Aug 4, 2019 - 3:42pm

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Tell that to Colin Kaepernick ...

But yeah, sad.  It could be a bridge building thing to let him compete.
 
Tell that to NASCAR...

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Posted: Aug 4, 2019 - 3:39pm

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Umm, no.  More revisionist history.  Everything changed during the Carter Administration prior to Reagan's.

Iran and the United States have had no formal diplomatic relations since 1980.

Red herring.
Senior (Reagan) administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.
 
Yep.  I was looking at OV's post thinking what did I forget and then it hit me.  I came back to correct my error and here you are.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2019 - 3:17pm

 kurtster wrote:
Umm, no.  More revisionist history.  Everything changed during the Carter Administration prior to Reagan's.

Iran and the United States have had no formal diplomatic relations since 1980.

Red herring.
Senior (Reagan) administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2019 - 2:48pm

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This is not right. This guy should be able to compete at the highest level, he has earned it. Politics and sports do not mix. 
 
Tell that to Colin Kaepernick ...

But yeah, sad.  It could be a bridge building thing to let him compete.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2019 - 2:46pm

um, wait ...
they kinda did but we didn't learn anything from the mistaken belief that it mattered...
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Posted: Aug 4, 2019 - 2:40pm

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Umm, no.  More revisionist history.  Everything changed during the Carter Administration prior to Reagan's.

Iran and the United States have had no formal diplomatic relations since 1980.

Edit:  forgot about Iran - Contra.  My bad.
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Posted: Aug 4, 2019 - 6:27am

This is not right. This guy should be able to compete at the highest level, he has earned it. Politics and sports do not mix.
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Posted: Jun 23, 2019 - 10:58am

The Exceptionally American Historical Amnesia Behind Pompeo’s Claim of ’40 Years of Unprovoked Iranian Aggression’
US Carries Out Cyber-Attacks on Iran
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Posted: Jun 22, 2019 - 3:55pm

Trump’s climbdown on Iran is a defeat to the Israel lobby
Since Donald Trump decided not to attack Iran Thursday, it has been stated again and again that the American people don’t want another war in the Middle East. NPR says so, PBS says so, the Washington Post says the Congress is “war-weary,” the Times notes the considerable support Trump has gotten from Republicans; and even Lindsey Graham has backed Trump’s decision. So do Democratic liberals and centrists and Nancy Pelosi.

Trump himself said a war with Iran is unpopular when he told his Orlando rally Thursday that great nations don’t fight “endless wars,” and he was removing troops and putting “America first.”

The reasonable question here is, Who wants a war with Iran, and why do they want it? (...)

Mainstream Media Faults Trump for Not Following Through on Iran Attack
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Posted: Jun 18, 2019 - 2:23am


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Posted: Jun 17, 2019 - 11:50am

The July 3, 1988 Vincennes incident is also instructive because it vividly displayed of how things can go horribly wrong really quick and how the U.S. government will brazenly lie to evade liability for its criminal misconduct.

With the U.S. playing a ‘Top Cop’ role in the Persian Gulf – today as in the 1980s ostensibly to contain Iran – it’s interesting that the U.S. Navy’s defense of that indefensible 1988 airliner shootdown contained components of excuses utter persistently by American police in instances of fatal shootings of unarmed civilians.

In the cases of those murdered by American cops, the offending officer immediately declares he or she fired because they feared for their life. The captain of the Vincennes declared he ordered the airliner to be shot down because he feared for his life…the life of his ship and crew allegedly endangered by an unarmed civilian airliner.

Like the standard cop defense of supposedly seeing a gun in the hand of the unarmed suspect, Vincennes Captain Will Rogers claimed he saw a jet fighter descending in fast attack approach not a widebody airliner ascending after taking off from an airport.

Like the physical evidence in too many cop shootings that contradict cop claims, data from the sophisticated combat control computer system onboard the Vincennes contradicted the contentions of its captain. Top Navy and Reagan Administration officials later accepted that captain’s claims as valid.

Another parallel between cop shootings and the airliner shootdown is the blame-the-victim reflex.

The Vincennes captain, Navy brass, top Reagan Administration officials (along with much of the American mainstream news media) blamed Iran for allowing its airliner to fly outside the corridor for commercial airliners, allowing that airliner to operate without using identification signals for civilian airplanes and allowing the airliner to fly over a skirmish where lightly armed Iranian military motorboats were allegedly harassing the Vincennes, a heavily armed cruiser larger in size than any U.S. naval vessel except an aircraft carrier.

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Posted: Jun 4, 2019 - 2:12pm

The State Department has been funding trolls. I’m one of their targets.
The targets of the tweets included think-tank analysts, human rights activists and journalists (including me). The common thread is that we are all perceived by regime change proponents and supporters of the Trump administration’s so-called maximum pressure policy to be soft on Iran because we are critical of crushing economic sanctions and the threat of the use of military force against it.

For these thought crimes, we are branded by @IranDisinfo and similar social media accounts as Tehran’s “mouthpieces,” “apologists,” “collaborators,” and “lobbyists” in the West.

I won’t speak for others who have been attacked, and my own views are irrelevant to this situation. From what I can see, though, we all appear to share the view that Iran should be secular and democratic. The main difference between us and those spreading these falsehoods against us is how we envision that change in Iranian politics coming about.

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Posted: May 22, 2019 - 4:58am

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seems like some sort of low grade conflict in the ME has been going on for eons

"when administrations get into trouble politically they will make the eagle scream"

˜ chalmers johnson

 
Yea but this one is different if we actually do something foolish like Afghanistan and Iraq.  Iran is a whole other level with all of the implications.  Or as Fred Sanford says...."This is the big one, Elizabeth."{#Sad}

 

Bolton is just awful.  Of all of Trump's transgressions, appointing this bozo is by far his worse.


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Posted: May 22, 2019 - 4:42am

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'Merica's next war.
fuck

 

seems like some sort of low grade conflict in the ME has been going on for eons

"when administrations get into trouble politically they will make the eagle scream"

˜ chalmers johnson


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Posted: May 21, 2019 - 5:17pm

'Merica's next war.


fuck
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