[ ]   [ ]   [ ]                        [ ]      [ ]   [ ]

Counting with Pictures - Proclivities - Mar 1, 2021 - 8:04am
 
Buddy's Haven - cc_rider - Mar 1, 2021 - 8:02am
 
Why are Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds censored? - the_jake - Mar 1, 2021 - 7:39am
 
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum - VV - Mar 1, 2021 - 5:44am
 
Radio Paradise Comments - sunybuny - Mar 1, 2021 - 5:21am
 
Real Life vs. the Internet - miamizsun - Mar 1, 2021 - 5:15am
 
Things People Have Said That I'll Never Forget - sirdroseph - Mar 1, 2021 - 5:13am
 
Mixtape Culture Club - miamizsun - Mar 1, 2021 - 3:59am
 
What Did You Do Today? - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Mar 1, 2021 - 12:05am
 
Where would you like to live? - haresfur - Feb 28, 2021 - 9:21pm
 
Biden's Lies - VV - Feb 28, 2021 - 7:21pm
 
Trump Lies - haresfur - Feb 28, 2021 - 6:18pm
 
Republican Party - westslope - Feb 28, 2021 - 3:29pm
 
Propaganda - R_P - Feb 28, 2021 - 1:05pm
 
Stuff I've Said Out Loud - Antigone - Feb 28, 2021 - 12:39pm
 
Australia - westslope - Feb 28, 2021 - 9:34am
 
Fitness • Health - westslope - Feb 28, 2021 - 8:15am
 
Today in History - miamizsun - Feb 28, 2021 - 7:11am
 
Automotive Lust - kurtster - Feb 27, 2021 - 10:50pm
 
COVID-19 - R_P - Feb 27, 2021 - 5:30pm
 
Name My Band - Manbird - Feb 27, 2021 - 4:42pm
 
• • • The Once-a-Day • • •  - oldviolin - Feb 27, 2021 - 2:36pm
 
You really put butter on the hot dog? - Manbird - Feb 27, 2021 - 1:27pm
 
What is the meaning of this? - KurtfromLaQuinta - Feb 27, 2021 - 12:37pm
 
Great Old Songs You Rarely Hear Anymore - rhahl - Feb 27, 2021 - 8:41am
 
Gotta Get Your Drink On - Proclivities - Feb 27, 2021 - 6:11am
 
Things You Thought Today - BlueHeronDruid - Feb 26, 2021 - 7:35pm
 
Classical Music - R_P - Feb 26, 2021 - 7:31pm
 
Birthday wishes - BlueHeronDruid - Feb 26, 2021 - 5:36pm
 
Joe Biden - KarmaKarma - Feb 26, 2021 - 3:14pm
 
What are you listening to now? - westslope - Feb 26, 2021 - 2:40pm
 
Saudi Arabia - R_P - Feb 26, 2021 - 2:31pm
 
Anti-War - Ohmsen - Feb 26, 2021 - 2:01pm
 
Jazz - Ohmsen - Feb 26, 2021 - 1:43pm
 
Live Music - miamizsun - Feb 26, 2021 - 12:50pm
 
Braking News - miamizsun - Feb 26, 2021 - 12:39pm
 
Race in America - R_P - Feb 26, 2021 - 11:00am
 
Acoustic Guitar - rhahl - Feb 26, 2021 - 9:14am
 
Terrorist Watch! - westslope - Feb 26, 2021 - 8:47am
 
Messages in a bottle. - Coaxial - Feb 26, 2021 - 4:27am
 
Get the Quote - sirdroseph - Feb 26, 2021 - 4:03am
 
Lyrics that are stuck in your head today... - sirdroseph - Feb 26, 2021 - 4:02am
 
Australia has Disappeared - haresfur - Feb 26, 2021 - 1:55am
 
Health Care - Isabeau - Feb 25, 2021 - 8:03pm
 
Lets Rock! - jlind - Feb 25, 2021 - 6:58pm
 
Favorite Scriptures...Leave Pontificating at the Door - ScottFromWyoming - Feb 25, 2021 - 6:57pm
 
Back to the 70's - rhahl - Feb 25, 2021 - 12:59pm
 
You're welcome, manbird. - oldviolin - Feb 25, 2021 - 11:47am
 
NETFLIX - oldviolin - Feb 25, 2021 - 10:31am
 
Skip not working on Volumio - Grarea - Feb 25, 2021 - 9:55am
 
What Did You See Today? - GeneP59 - Feb 25, 2021 - 8:58am
 
The Obituary Page - ScottFromWyoming - Feb 25, 2021 - 8:45am
 
Military Matters - Red_Dragon - Feb 25, 2021 - 5:16am
 
Predictions - rhahl - Feb 25, 2021 - 4:12am
 
Gardeners Corner - haresfur - Feb 25, 2021 - 12:37am
 
Steven Wilson - westslope - Feb 24, 2021 - 6:42pm
 
RP works great with LMS - SqueezeGuy - Feb 24, 2021 - 4:04pm
 
World Music - deltaindia - Feb 24, 2021 - 2:47pm
 
Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status - R_P - Feb 24, 2021 - 2:33pm
 
volcano! - geoff_morphini - Feb 24, 2021 - 1:52pm
 
ALAC Stream Links? - rwyatt - Feb 24, 2021 - 1:32pm
 
Regarding cats - westslope - Feb 24, 2021 - 1:23pm
 
I am Thinking of: - oldviolin - Feb 24, 2021 - 1:20pm
 
Climate Change - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Feb 24, 2021 - 1:05pm
 
How's the weather? - GeneP59 - Feb 24, 2021 - 12:59pm
 
Baseball, anyone? - ScottFromWyoming - Feb 24, 2021 - 12:55pm
 
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos - deltaindia - Feb 24, 2021 - 12:41pm
 
Crazy conspiracy theories - R_P - Feb 24, 2021 - 11:28am
 
Capitalism and Consumerism... now what? - ScottFromWyoming - Feb 24, 2021 - 10:23am
 
Offline Cache not working anymore - jarro - Feb 24, 2021 - 9:26am
 
Trump - westslope - Feb 24, 2021 - 9:05am
 
The No Phone Zone - Proclivities - Feb 24, 2021 - 6:56am
 
LeftWingNutZ - islander - Feb 24, 2021 - 6:35am
 
Those Lovable Policemen - haresfur - Feb 24, 2021 - 12:55am
 
The All-Things Beatles Forum - kurtster - Feb 23, 2021 - 10:54pm
 
Index » Radio Paradise/General » General Discussion » Sailing By Page: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Post to this Topic
islander

islander Avatar

Location: Seattle
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 27, 2021 - 2:06pm



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

{#Lol}
  I guess not funny. but yes, kind of funny. I have utmost respect for anyone braving the Southern Ocean. And then doing it single-handed. wow.

edit: mentioned this before but my sister sailed half way round the world over the space of 8 years. Most of the blue-water sailing community aren't really in it for the sailing, but the lifestyle. Most of them wait for optimum conditions before moving on. Pretty sane approach in my book. 
 

That's the approach I take for inshore. I'd still jump at the chance to be a hand on a boat to Hawaii or French Polynesia. I've got a long coastal trip to the Baja in my future as well.
haresfur

haresfur Avatar

Location: The Golden Triangle
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 27, 2021 - 1:51pm



 islander wrote:


 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
The Vendee Globe is turning into a real nail biter. Three boats are still in contention to win in the final hours (after sailing 80 days around the world, no mean feat). 

Line honours will be taken by Charlie Dalin within the next hour, but boats three and five across the line each have time credits because they stopped to save a guy whose boat suddenly broke apart after hitting a rogue wave in the Southern Ocean, so it is all on. Crazy race.
 

If you ever want to dash any fleeting fantasies you have of this kind of race, the book "Godforsaken Sea" is a good read.  The part where the guy in the capsized yacht was thankful for the cold water because it numbed up his hand after severing a finger in a banging hatch, was an especially good deterrent.   I still want to do a big pacific crossing, but I want to be met by umbrella drinks and my big concerns should be running out of books on the kindle. 
 
Popped out just barely into the Southern Ocean on one of those big tourist motor boats when visiting Bruny Island in Tasmania, and even on a nice day could see how powerful it could be.

A friend posted a really gripping account of crossing from Tonga to New Zealand that convinces me that it is a pastime best left to dreaming. Especially the part about the poor sobs who were told to turn around to aid another boat. 

miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3261.3 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 27, 2021 - 1:49pm



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
man, that sucks. The sole German left in the race collided with a fishing trawler just 80 miles out. Now limping home at half speed. He had a good chance of winning after deducting the six hour time credit.
 
how does that happen? is it dark?

NoEnzLefttoSplit

NoEnzLefttoSplit Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 27, 2021 - 1:46pm

man, that sucks. The sole German left in the race collided with a fishing trawler just 80 miles out. Now limping home at half speed. He had a good chance of winning after deducting the six hour time credit.
NoEnzLefttoSplit

NoEnzLefttoSplit Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 27, 2021 - 1:18pm

 islander wrote:


 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
The Vendee Globe is turning into a real nail biter. Three boats are still in contention to win in the final hours (after sailing 80 days around the world, no mean feat). 

Line honours will be taken by Charlie Dalin within the next hour, but boats three and five across the line each have time credits because they stopped to save a guy whose boat suddenly broke apart after hitting a rogue wave in the Southern Ocean, so it is all on. Crazy race.
 

If you ever want to dash any fleeting fantasies you have of this kind of race, the book "Godforsaken Sea" is a good read.  The part where the guy in the capsized yacht was thankful for the cold water because it numbed up his hand after severing a finger in a banging hatch, was an especially good deterrent.   I still want to do a big pacific crossing, but I want to be met by umbrella drinks and my big concerns should be running out of books on the kindle. 
 
{#Lol}  I guess not funny. but yes, kind of funny. I have utmost respect for anyone braving the Southern Ocean. And then doing it single-handed. wow.

edit: mentioned this before but my sister sailed half way round the world over the space of 8 years. Most of the blue-water sailing community aren't really in it for the sailing, but the lifestyle. Most of them wait for optimum conditions before moving on. Pretty sane approach in my book. 
islander

islander Avatar

Location: Seattle
Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 27, 2021 - 1:14pm



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
The Vendee Globe is turning into a real nail biter. Three boats are still in contention to win in the final hours (after sailing 80 days around the world, no mean feat). 

Line honours will be taken by Charlie Dalin within the next hour, but boats three and five across the line each have time credits because they stopped to save a guy whose boat suddenly broke apart after hitting a rogue wave in the Southern Ocean, so it is all on. Crazy race.
 

If you ever want to dash any fleeting fantasies you have of this kind of race, the book "Godforsaken Sea" is a good read.  The part where the guy in the capsized yacht was thankful for the cold water because it numbed up his hand after severing a finger in a banging hatch, was an especially good deterrent.   I still want to do a big pacific crossing, but I want to be met by umbrella drinks and my big concerns should be running out of books on the kindle. 
NoEnzLefttoSplit

NoEnzLefttoSplit Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Jan 27, 2021 - 10:49am

The Vendee Globe is turning into a real nail biter. Three boats are still in contention to win in the final hours (after sailing 80 days around the world, no mean feat). 

Line honours will be taken by Charlie Dalin within the next hour, but boats three and five across the line each have time credits because they stopped to save a guy whose boat suddenly broke apart after hitting a rogue wave in the Southern Ocean, so it is all on. Crazy race.
swell_sailor

swell_sailor Avatar

Location: The Gorge
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 9, 2014 - 6:05am

 haresfur wrote:

Well, holy shit! 

Those are some waves, holy shit.

The wood... holy shit! 

To sum up, holy shit!

How's the shoulder doing? 

 

Yeah, there was a lot of debris out there. It made it that much more challenging. And the waves were double house sized. I saw waves far bigger than anything captured by a camera. 

The shoulder is fine. The elbow still bothers me, but I try not to complain too much about it. We all play hurt around here. 




haresfur

haresfur Avatar

Location: The Golden Triangle
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 8, 2014 - 6:00pm

 swell_sailor wrote:

Moved this from the "This is amazing" thread. 

It doesn't mean much unless you're familiar with the history of windsurfing in the Gorge, but Tuesday was likely the biggest day in "the corridor"since windsurfing started here over 30 years ago. This is my 32nd windsurfing season here, and I've seen lots of big days, including one in 1990 that set a mark that lasted nearly 24 years. I've experienced similar wind strength, (28-45 averaging 35mph)  but the water conditions really set this day apart. 

The visions in my head from 3 hours of sailing are far bigger than this photo depicts, but it gives an idea of what it was like. 

 

 

 

Columbia River goes off. Huge day at the hatch on July 3 2014 from alex edholm on Vimeo.



 
Well, holy shit! 

Those are some waves, holy shit.

The wood... holy shit! 

To sum up, holy shit!

How's the shoulder doing? 
swell_sailor

swell_sailor Avatar

Location: The Gorge
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 8, 2014 - 10:30am

 buzz wrote:

izzat you?!?!?

 
No, that's a kiter. I windsurf. I don't know of any photos of me from that day. It's okay though, I have a video running through my head. That day won't soon be forgotten. It was far bigger in person than any photo or video can demonstrate. 
buzz

buzz Avatar

Location: up the boohai


Posted: Jun 8, 2014 - 10:27am

 swell_sailor wrote:

Moved this from the "This is amazing" thread. 

It doesn't mean much unless you're familiar with the history of windsurfing in the Gorge, but Tuesday was likely the biggest day in "the corridor"since windsurfing started here over 30 years ago. This is my 32nd windsurfing season here, and I've seen lots of big days, including one in 1990 that set a mark that lasted nearly 24 years. I've experienced similar wind strength, (28-45 averaging 35mph)  but the water conditions really set this day apart. 

The visions in my head from 3 hours of sailing are far bigger than this photo depicts, but it gives an idea of what it was like. 

 
izzat you?!?!?
swell_sailor

swell_sailor Avatar

Location: The Gorge
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 8, 2014 - 10:26am

Moved this from the "This is amazing" thread. 

It doesn't mean much unless you're familiar with the history of windsurfing in the Gorge, but Tuesday was likely the biggest day in "the corridor"since windsurfing started here over 30 years ago. This is my 32nd windsurfing season here, and I've seen lots of big days, including one in 1990 that set a mark that lasted nearly 24 years. I've experienced similar wind strength, (28-45 averaging 35mph)  but the water conditions really set this day apart. 

The visions in my head from 3 hours of sailing are far bigger than this photo depicts, but it gives an idea of what it was like. 

 

Columbia River goes off. Huge day at the hatch on July 3 2014 from alex edholm on Vimeo.




NoEnzLefttoSplit

NoEnzLefttoSplit Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Sep 19, 2013 - 1:54am

one for you sailing buffs. Love the way the fixed camera makes sailing in 25 knot winds look like a breeze!

OlderThanDirt

OlderThanDirt Avatar

Location: In Transit
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 31, 2013 - 5:38pm

 hobiejoe wrote:

The ensign will be at the stern, and as a visiting foreign vessel, albeit "foreign" for tax reasons (I'm pretty sure your link suggested that the owner was a US citizen, but even if he isn't, there aren't that many native Carribean islanders with yachts like that) you'll be looking for a smaller stars & stripes courtesy flag flying on the starboard side of the mainmast, probably just below the first spreaders.

 
The link I posted lists Otto Happel as a German citizen living in Switzerland. I also found this link that says the Hetairos is registered in The Cayman Islands. It also has different numbers for length, draft, etc. Googling "Hetairos yacht" yields several articles with differing specifications. I guess they don't think we're interested in details. {#Wink}
hobiejoe

hobiejoe Avatar

Location: Still in the tunnel, looking for the light.
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 31, 2013 - 5:15pm

 OlderThanDirt wrote:

No, not at all. Interesting!

Wikipedia

The Union Flag (also known as the Union Jack) should only be flown as a jack by Royal Navy ships when moored, at anchor, while underway and dressed with masthead ensigns or if the Monarch or an Admiral of the Fleet is on board. The Union Flag may also signal that a court martial is in progress.

The use of the Union Flag as an ensign on a civilian craft is still illegal.<1> ever since Charles I ordered it be restricted to His Majesty's ships "upon pain of Our high displeasure" in the 17th century, mainly due to its unauthorised use by merchant mariners to avoid paying harbour duties by passing themselves off as Royal vessels.

There wasn't a good view of the whole ship, so I didn't get any pics of it. If I remember correctly, The ensign was displayed midships, but not at the top of the mainmast - maybe on a mainmast stay. There was no wind, so the whole ensign wasn't entirely visible. It looked like a Union Jack but may have been, as you say, of a protectorate nation. You've got me curious now. I'll try to get a better look if it's still there tomorrow.

 
The ensign will be at the stern, and as a visiting foreign vessel, albeit "foreign" for tax reasons (I'm pretty sure your link suggested that the owner was a US citizen, but even if he isn't, there aren't that many native Carribean islanders with yachts like that) you'll be looking for a smaller stars & stripes courtesy flag flying on the starboard side of the mainmast, probably just below the first spreaders.
OlderThanDirt

OlderThanDirt Avatar

Location: In Transit
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 31, 2013 - 5:03pm

 hobiejoe wrote:

Good spot! Interesting - a shit-hot yacht with bang up to date rig, feather-light carbon construction and modern undersides and can do a 3000nm passage at 15kts average, yet trying to look like a Channel pilot cutter, albeit one on steroids. The plumb stem, graceful sheer and fanned transom are the marks of a pilot cutter, and they're all there after a fashion, but it just doesn't really work for me.
 
As it happens, we raced against an original Pilot Cutter called Jolie Brise a couple of weeks ago. They were all designed with one aim, and that was to be fast enough and sea-worthy enough to get one man - their pilot - out to vessels entering either the English Channel or the Bristol Channel, or both if you were on the Scillies (although there, because vessels came close by, they used pilot gigs, which is another story entirely) first and so get the fee.
 
Here she is on a windless day off Dartmouth - you can see the straight stem, almost perpendicular bowsprit that extends the sheerline, and lovely stern: Form follows function,
 

 
I just don't know if the lines of Heteiros really work for me. I appreciate the fantail transom, those gaps are there for a reason - to let green water wash right down the decks and out the back on a working cutter, and it's a big nod to the heritage, but, but.
 

 
Meh. Musn't be grumpy, so congratulations to the guy on his new boat, and it is a proper sailing boat.
 
However, it's not a red ensign that she's flying, it's a defaced red ensign belonging to one of our overseas protectorates or somesuch. Tax havens, the lot of them. I'm guessing Caymen Islands, but where ever it's registered, it won't be for residential, patriotic or even sentimental reasons. It'll be a tax dodge.
 
{#Grumpy}
 
 
{#Wink}
 
 
P.S. - Pedants corner
 
1) British vessels fly a variety of ensigns on their transoms.
 
2) The national flag of the United Kingdom is known as the Union Flag
 
3) The only time the Union Flag is known as the Union Jack is when it is raised on the jackstaff (flagpole at bow) of a commissioned vessel of the Royal Navy, which in turn only occurs when the vessel is moored or at anchor.
 
4) Except when the monarch is aboard a commissioned vessel underway, when the Union Jack will be flown at the jackstaff. The Union Flag will also be flown at the mainmast, where it remains merely the Union Flag.
 
 

TMI? Sorry {#Lol}

 
No, not at all. Interesting!

Wikipedia

The Union Flag (also known as the Union Jack) should only be flown as a jack by Royal Navy ships when moored, at anchor, while underway and dressed with masthead ensigns or if the Monarch or an Admiral of the Fleet is on board. The Union Flag may also signal that a court martial is in progress.

The use of the Union Flag as an ensign on a civilian craft is still illegal.<1> ever since Charles I ordered it be restricted to His Majesty's ships "upon pain of Our high displeasure" in the 17th century, mainly due to its unauthorised use by merchant mariners to avoid paying harbour duties by passing themselves off as Royal vessels.

There wasn't a good view of the whole ship, so I didn't get any pics of it. If I remember correctly, the ensign was displayed midships, but not at the top of the mainmast - maybe on a mainmast stay. There was no wind, so the whole ensign wasn't entirely visible. It looked like a Union Jack but may have been, as you say, of a protectorate nation. You've got me curious now. I'll try to get a better look if it's still there tomorrow.


hobiejoe

hobiejoe Avatar

Location: Still in the tunnel, looking for the light.
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 31, 2013 - 4:42pm

 OlderThanDirt wrote:
This yacht is currently sitting here in Monterey Harbor. Only two words come to mind: Impressive and Beautiful. OK, Big, too.

Hetairos - the cutting-edge sailing yacht that is both innovative and retrospective

218 feet bow to stern, not counting the 27 foot bow sprit, registered in the UK and flying the Union Jack, it is owned by this man.



 
Good spot! Interesting - a shit-hot yacht with bang up to date rig, feather-light carbon construction and modern undersides and can do a 3000nm passage at 15kts average, yet trying to look like a Channel pilot cutter, albeit one on steroids. The plumb stem, graceful sheer and fanned transom are the marks of a pilot cutter, and they're all there after a fashion, but it just doesn't really work for me.
 
As it happens, we raced against an original Pilot Cutter called Jolie Brise a couple of weeks ago. They were all designed with one aim, and that was to be fast enough and sea-worthy enough to get one man - their pilot - out to vessels entering either the English Channel or the Bristol Channel, or both if you were on the Scillies (although there, because vessels came close by, they used pilot gigs, which is another story entirely) first and so get the fee.
 
Here she is on a windless day off Dartmouth during the Channel Classics Regatta - you can see the straight stem, almost perpendicular bowsprit that extends the sheerline, and lovely stern: Form follows function,
 

 
I just don't know if the lines of Heteiros really work for me. I appreciate the fantail transom, those gaps are there for a reason - to let green water wash right down the decks and out the back on a working cutter, and it's a big nod to the heritage, but, but.
 

 
Meh. Musn't be grumpy, so congratulations to the guy on his new boat, and it is a proper sailing boat.
 
However, it's not a red ensign that she's flying, it's a defaced red ensign belonging to one of our overseas protectorates or somesuch. Tax havens, the lot of them. I'm guessing Caymen Islands, but where ever it's registered, it won't be for residential, patriotic or even sentimental reasons. It'll be a tax dodge.
 
{#Grumpy}
 
 
{#Wink}
 
 
P.S. - Pedants corner
 
1) British vessels fly a variety of ensigns on their transoms.
 
2) The national flag of the United Kingdom is known as the Union Flag
 
3) The only time the Union Flag is known as the Union Jack is when it is raised on the jackstaff (flagpole at bow) of a commissioned vessel of the Royal Navy, which in turn only occurs when the vessel is moored or at anchor.
 
4) Except when the monarch is aboard a commissioned vessel underway, when the Union Jack will be flown at the jackstaff. The Union Flag will also be flown at the mainmast, where it remains merely the Union Flag.
 
 

TMI? Sorry {#Lol}


OlderThanDirt

OlderThanDirt Avatar

Location: In Transit
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 31, 2013 - 4:41pm

 Coaxial wrote:

Saw that...Sad the poor guy has to make do with that bankroll.

 
Yeah, it is sad. But I'd be willing to try it. {#Wink}
Coaxial

Coaxial Avatar

Location: 543 miles west of Paradis,1491 miles eas
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 31, 2013 - 4:22pm

 OlderThanDirt wrote:

I read that it had berths for 12 passengers and a full-time crew of 11. Expensive to own, expensive to operate. I suspect the owner can afford it, though.

 
Saw that...Sad the poor guy has to make do with that bankroll.
OlderThanDirt

OlderThanDirt Avatar

Location: In Transit
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 31, 2013 - 4:19pm

 Coaxial wrote:

That is one sweet floating abode.{#Cheers}

 
I read that it had berths for 12 passengers and a full-time crew of 11. Expensive to own, expensive to operate. I suspect the owner can afford it, though.
Page: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next