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Posted: Aug 16, 2024 - 9:20pm

 haresfur wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Well compare the decline of the Euro since 1996 when it was created. 1996 €1  in 2024 is now worth €1.79  The worth of 1 Dollar in comparison went from 1996 $1.00 to $2.00 for an apples to apples comparison.  The US has done much worse in that time period. Try again. And one more for you to chew on ... The US national debt has soared to a staggering $34.5 trillion (€32.3 trillion), nearly three times that of the entire eurozone, accounting for 122% of its gross domestic product (GDP) versus the eurozone's 87%.

The EU isn't most countries but in any case, my understanding is that economists relate inflation to GDP and most economists think that a certain amount of inflation is a good thing. It gets complicated when you talk about the Euro with different countries and different GDP but the same currency. I don't pretend to understand it all. In any case, the government does not completely control the economy and generally should try to be a stabilising influence and act with as light a hand as possible to do so, imo. You are criticising them for taking measures to reduce inflation by saying the government didn't do enough. If I recall, the us has a federal reserve that conservatives love to hate to shield part of the monetary policy from political pressures.  And the republicans have been the champions of blowing out the debt since Reagan 
 
The Fed and the US Government are two separate entities and have different effects on the economy.  In the case of the .gov's involvement the past three years has been too much, not too little.  The Fed has done what it always does.  Nothing at the right time.  The narrative that this inflation was only transitory was faulty at best and deliberately misleading at worse.  The .gov's increase of economy strangling regulations (DEI and environmental investment regulations immediately comes to mind) which other than the spike in energy costs which were a direct result of policy, contributed most to rising costs or inflation.  The Fed waited too long to increase interest rates.  And now is about to mess up the rate cuts by cutting too soon. We are teetering between a hard and soft landing. The temptation to do so during an election year is very hard to resist because it usually gives a economic boost to the incumbent.  

The Debt.  One of the reasons the Fed waited so long to increase rates was would it do to financing the Debt.  He we are now and the interest cost on the Debt is now bigger than the Department of Defense's annual budget.  How long can we afford to finance this ?  It don't look good from where I sit and I think I have a pretty good understanding of these things. 

I am working really hard to have all my cards paid off by the end of the year and be debt free other than the car note which has about another three years to go.  At 0.99% fortunately.  I could pay off the cards right now but they are at 0.00% and the payoff money is earning 5%.  So I'll wait until the free ride is over and then pay them off.  Then I get to play the game with table stakes the rest of the way.

ymwv ...
haresfur

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Posted: Aug 16, 2024 - 8:38pm

 kurtster wrote:

Well compare the decline of the Euro since 1996 when it was created.

1996 €1  in 2024 is now worth €1.79 

The worth of 1 Dollar in comparison went from 1996 $1.00 to $2.00 for an apples to apples comparison. 

The US has done much worse in that time period.

Try again.

And one more for you to chew on ...

The US national debt has soared to a staggering $34.5 trillion (€32.3 trillion), nearly three times that of the entire eurozone, accounting for 122% of its gross domestic product (GDP) versus the eurozone's 87%.

The EU isn't most countries but in any case, my understanding is that economists relate inflation to GDP and most economists think that a certain amount of inflation is a good thing. It gets complicated when you talk about the Euro with different countries and different GDP but the same currency. I don't pretend to understand it all.

In any case, the government does not completely control the economy and generally should try to be a stabilising influence and act with as light a hand as possible to do so, imo. You are criticising them for taking measures to reduce inflation by saying the government didn't do enough. If I recall, the us has a federal reserve that conservatives love to hate to shield part of the monetary policy from political pressures. 

And the republicans have been the champions of blowing out the debt since Reagan 

kurtster

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Posted: Aug 15, 2024 - 8:44pm

 haresfur wrote:
 
The US, like almost every country in the world is swimming upstream on this one and in terms of dollar value/inflation

doing much better than almost everyplace else. 

 
Well compare the decline of the Euro since 1996 when it was created.

1996 €1  in 2024 is now worth €1.79 

The worth of 1 Dollar in comparison went from 1996 $1.00 to $2.00 for an apples to apples comparison. 

The US has done much worse in that time period.

Try again.

And one more for you to chew on ...

The US national debt has soared to a staggering $34.5 trillion (€32.3 trillion), nearly three times that of the entire eurozone, accounting for 122% of its gross domestic product (GDP) versus the eurozone's 87%.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 15, 2024 - 8:42pm


Inflation in a nutshell.
haresfur

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Posted: Aug 15, 2024 - 8:19pm

 kurtster wrote:
Using the handy dandy dollar calculator down below set in 1971 dollars (when the US left the gold standard) :

In the 4 years Trump was in office (2017 - 2020) , the dollar lost 39 cents in value. 10 cents per year.

In the 4 years Biden has been in office (2021 - 2024), the dollar has lost  $1.17 in value, so far ... 29 cents per year ...

So much for the Inflation Reduction Act, which Harris is touting as a real boost to American's lives and standard of living.

{#Cowboy}


The US, like almost every country in the world is swimming upstream on this one and in terms of dollar value/inflation doing much better than almost everyplace else. How bad would it have been without the administration taking an active role in mitigating the effects? You basically are saying don't do anything because inflation still exists. 
kurtster

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Posted: Aug 15, 2024 - 7:40pm

Using the handy dandy dollar calculator down below set in 1971 dollars (when the US left the gold standard) :

In the 4 years Trump was in office (2017 - 2020) , the dollar lost 39 cents in value. 10 cents per year.

In the 4 years Biden has been in office (2021 - 2024), the dollar has lost  $1.17 in value, so far ... 29 cents per year ...

So much for the Inflation Reduction Act, which Harris is touting as a real boost to American's lives and standard of living.

For more fun, when Biden took office, the first year the dollar lost 8 cents in value.

In 2022, the second year when the Inflation Reduction Act was passed the dollar lost 47 cents in value

In 2023, the third year, the dollar lost 45 cents in value

In 2024 the fourth year so far, the dollar has lost 25 cents in value, so far with the year only half over ...

{#Cowboy}
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Posted: Aug 15, 2024 - 2:39pm

 oldviolin wrote:




Is that a rooster in your pants or are you just glad to see me-




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Posted: Aug 15, 2024 - 2:11pm

 Proclivities wrote:

It seems like not that long ago when I could go to a grocery store with $10.00 in my pocket and come home with a bag of coffee, a pound of bacon, a pack of chicken breasts, and a 12-pack of beer - nowadays they have security cameras everywhere.





Is that a rooster in your pants or are you just glad to see me-

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Posted: Aug 15, 2024 - 1:23pm

It seems like not that long ago when I could go to a grocery store with $10.00 in my pocket and come home with a bag of coffee, a pound of bacon, a pack of chicken breasts, and a 12-pack of beer - nowadays they have security cameras everywhere.
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Posted: Jul 5, 2013 - 9:12am

 Proclivities wrote:
snapple

 
Y'all love that stuff.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jul 5, 2013 - 9:12am

 Proclivities wrote:
snapple

 
I guess they weren't selling
Proclivities

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Posted: Jul 5, 2013 - 9:06am

snapple
DaveInSaoMiguel

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Posted: May 3, 2013 - 9:33am

$22k in 1968 (what my Dad made then) is worth $149,003.60 today....
Red_Dragon

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Posted: May 3, 2013 - 9:26am

dollar value calculator

I was born in 1959, when a dollar was worth almost eight.
DaveInSaoMiguel

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Posted: May 3, 2013 - 9:22am

Back when I was in High School in the 60s I remember my Dad celebrating getting a raise to $22k a year and the mortgage payments with T&I were $111/month. $22k was probably like $100k or more now.
kurtster

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Posted: May 3, 2013 - 9:12am

 Proclivities wrote:

I know.  A whole dinner for 75¢.

 
You could also own a home and raise a family on $5 hour back then.
Proclivities

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Posted: May 3, 2013 - 8:26am

 Coaxial wrote:

I want to go there.{#Hungry}Set the wayback machine for the early 60's.

 
I know.  A whole dinner for 75¢.
Coaxial

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Posted: May 3, 2013 - 8:21am

 Proclivities wrote:


 
I want to go there.{#Hungry}Set the wayback machine for the early 60's.
Proclivities

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Posted: May 3, 2013 - 8:09am

willows
Umberdog

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Posted: Jun 23, 2011 - 7:52pm

 oldslabsides wrote:
I thought you were going to bed. You told Jesus you were.
 
Jesus is quite used to people stretching the truth in his name. Just another day as a superpower in the afterlife.
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